What tactics would you use to beat the current top 5?

2slik

Semi-Pro
For example how is it possible that a player like Nalbandian has beaten each of the current top 5, yet has not been able to win a GS. What tactics does he use?
 

clayman2000

Hall of Fame
Nadal -- hit the ball as hard and deep as you can against him. Placement makes no difference.

Federer -- start the match agressive, and move the ball around the court. he can start matches fairly lazy, slicing balls back, missing 1st serves. Dont let him suck you to the net

Murray -- ditto Nadal

Djokovic -- slow the game pace down, use the slice, come to net. Variety is needed

Del Potro -- slice a lot, hit to the middle of the court. Do not at any cost hit a high ball on the deuce side of Del po's court
 
Nadal -- hit the ball as hard and deep as you can against him. Placement makes no difference.

Federer -- start the match agressive, and move the ball around the court. he can start matches fairly lazy, slicing balls back, missing 1st serves. Dont let him suck you to the net

Murray -- ditto Nadal

Djokovic -- slow the game pace down, use the slice, come to net. Variety is needed

Del Potro -- slice a lot, hit to the middle of the court. Do not at any cost hit a high ball on the deuce side of Del po's court

But isn't that what he wants you to do? That's why he's a pusher.

Del Potro has never beaten Murray on HC, Djokovic lost the last 3 matches, Federer lost 5 matches in a row to Murray. It's not like these players can't hit the ball hard.
 

kraggy

Banned
But isn't that what he wants you to do? That's why he's a pusher.

Del Potro has never beaten Murray on HC, Djokovic lost the last 3 matches, Federer lost 5 matches in a row to Murray. It's not like these players can't hit the ball hard.

That's because Murray seems to be the most tactical player of the lot, I would argue that he possesses the best tennis brain in current men's tennis.

Delpotro and Djoker are supremely talented, they don't necessarily handle variety too well (Clayman mentioned this earlier). And Murray has great speed and retrieving skills. So he can drive these guys crazy with his changes of pace and at least Djoker I know has a tendency to get frustrated easily and lose it. As far as Federer, Murray uses some of the same tactics that Nadal uses and they work pretty well against Fed.

So it comes down to Murray being able to execute his game plan better than his opponents can. Which is why I credit him with having the better tennis brain.
 

Mortifier

Hall of Fame
Kraggy, I can agree with you on some level, but how can he STILL play defensive tennis in the Grand Slams despite being knocked out fairly early in the last four? Comming to the USO 09, you would actually think he'd gone back to the USO 08-style a bit, playing a little more aggressive when needed, but did he?

Eventually his tactics will break, like they have in the last four slams, and against Fed the last two times they've met. Standing eight meters behind the baseline to retrieve Roddick's serve isn't an option at Wimbledon... ;)
 

2slik

Semi-Pro
So how was Tsonga supposed to beat Nadal? Did he just ball bash because I have heard that that performance from Tsonga was on the greatest perfomance of the decade, if no better than Federer's pefomance's against Hewitt in us open 2004 and roddick AO 07
 

clayman2000

Hall of Fame
So how was Tsonga supposed to beat Nadal? Did he just ball bash because I have heard that that performance from Tsonga was on the greatest perfomance of the decade, if no better than Federer's pefomance's against Hewitt in us open 2004 and roddick AO 07

Ball Bash + amazing volleys. But volleying well isnt a tactic.

But a key thing in that match was that Tsonga took the ball early. Best example is the last game of the 1st set.

Tsonga was just stepping in and cranking returns than charging net
 

viduka0101

Hall of Fame
against Federer play like Nadal
against Nadal play like Del Potro
against Djokovic play like Federer
against Murray play like Djokovic
against Del Potro play like Murray
 

sheets

Rookie
Play really really well. Against the current top five you better be playing well if you want to win. and you have to Execute.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
First of all: have the confidence that you are indeed capable of beating them.
DelPotro & Söderling have been fantastic showcases for this matter this year.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal -- Throw Rock.

Federer -- Throw Paper

Murray -- Throw Scissor

Djokovic -- Throw Paper

Del Potro -- Throw Paper

J
 

Tennis_Monk

Hall of Fame
Pretty much the same tactics i am using to beat the top 3.

I am amazed at some these questions that seem to defy logic. It is not uncommon for top players to lose matches to other top 20-30 players. [Great Federer and Great Sampras lost matches, if so called greatest players can lose matches, i am sure others will ]

In order to beat these players, one needs more than strategy. One has to play execptionally well , take every chance and then also hope that the other player is a little off that day.

As far as i know, the only strategy that Federer couldnt successfully overcome was the Nadal's "hit to federer's backhand " strategy. So many people tried to go after federer's backhand over the years but only Nadal was successful.

Other people that beat Federer, followed a different strategy that suits their game.

Same case with Nadal and others.

Against Murray, all one has to do is set the match in England!
 

2slik

Semi-Pro
against Federer play like Nadal
against Nadal play like Del Potro
against Djokovic play like Federer
against Murray play like Djokovic
against Del Potro play like Murray

Nalbandian has beaten all these guys yet he uses the same tatctics for eahc player here, how does that work?
 
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Deleted member 21996

Guest
slam them with a replica of the Milano Cathedral...
 

CMM

Legend
For example how is it possible that a player like Nalbandian has beaten each of the current top 5, yet has not been able to win a GS. What tactics does he use?

Why do you care about tactics since according to you Nadal and Federer are both doping?:confused:
 

lawrence

Hall of Fame
Federer - let him run over me till it's 6-0 5-0 then make a lame hawkeye call and let him choke/tank the rest of the game

Nadal - hit moonballs all day long, straight up send balls as high and deep as possible ignoring pace, to his backhand

Murray - play his game, feed him slice on both wings for 90% of my shots then throw in a few moonballs

Djokovic - Dropshots then lobs, then dropshots then lobs, then dropshots then lobs. I may lose the first set doing this but he might tire out

Del Potro - Slices to his backhand, junk serves that go 20mph

lol
 
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