What will a second FO title mean for Roger's legacy?
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6-1 6-3 6-0
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Nothing. Lightning sometimes strikes twice. And he'd never beat RNadal at Roland Garros, so it'd be as much a fluke as 2009. 
tennisplayer1993
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[B said:6-1 6-3 6-0;[/B]7444962]Nothing. Lightning sometimes strikes twice. And he'd never beat RNadal at Roland Garros, so it'd be as much a fluke as 2009.
Oh hey another unbiased poster
Def
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Nothing. Lightning sometimes strikes twice. And he'd never beat RNadal at Roland Garros, so it'd be as much a fluke as 2009.
Are you honestly suggesting that if he won another grand slam, on clay, it would do nothing to his legacy...
tennisplayer1993
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tennisplayer1993
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.. Halle and Queens are tune up tournaments for Wimbledon.
Clay is far different than playing on grass.
Def
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tennisplayer1993
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SLD76
G.O.A.T.
Roddick has the same bday as me
tennisplayer1993
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Awesome
. I've seen him play in person numerous times at the US open. Love the man, I was like : for hours after he lost to Del Potro last summer.tennis_badger
Rookie
it'll mean he won each GS at least twice
does anyone knows if this feat has been accomplished before?
does anyone knows if this feat has been accomplished before?
tennisplayer1993
Professional
You have good taste!
Not too much if he doesn't beat Rafa or Nole.
And you need to realize that one cannot be considered the GOAT when they consistently lose to the top players as Federer does. Djokovic 16-13 Murray 9-11 Nadal 10-20 Federer won a majority of his slams during a transition phase on the tour. The best players were well past their prime and the next generation of good players hadn't arrived yet. How would he have done against a younger Agassi and Sampras? Probably very well, but he would have lost a slam, maybe two. How would he have done if Nadal, Djokovic and Murray were around when he was collecting slams from Roddick? Again, he would do well, but he wouldn't have as many slams. You don't measure greatness by numbers. If he was the GOAT he wouldn't be owned by Nadal, have a losing record against Murray, have lost to Safin in AO, have lost to Nadal in W. Great players are great because they win great matches not lose them.
Fiji
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Emerson and Laver.
It is also important to realize that you cannot be considered the GOAT when there is a guy with 3+ more slams (depending on who you are) than you have.
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Nothing because Djokovic is going to win 8 more than him.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
But neither did it in the Open Era against the best pro's (though Laver did win his second CYGS against the pro's).
So having two of each and everyone would be quite something imo and further solidify his claim to 'goathood'.
tennis_hack
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Well then I guess Rosol and Davydenko are greater than Nadal.
Tennis_Hands
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If Rosol is a good pupil (and with him biting the trophy it seems that he is on the right track), he will lose in the second round, will blame the loss on the slippery surface and will threaten to not play RG again, until they fix the colour. Later on he will also say, that he has a right knee problem, but that didn't affect too much his game, although it was an issue for a long time now.
He might later rise on clay and pretend, that his loss on the surface was before his 2.0 version.
3,2,1 before Clarky21 says something about this post. :lol:
King of Clay
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What would winning 20 slams do for Andrew Murray's legacy?
Ain't going to happen so why ask the question.
Ain't going to happen so why ask the question.
forzamilan90
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forzamilan90
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In that case we have to discount all other players titles historically if they failed to beat the greatest threat along the way on a particular slam?
Yes. I'm pretty sure many experts will change their mind if Fed win another RG.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
No doubt.
Fed gets a lot of flack for not beating Nadal on clay. Especially in FO finals. But......who would have been able to beat Nadal? Imagine if Kuerten was in Nadal's era.
For the past 10 years, Fed has been the second best player on Clay. Second only to the greatest clay court player in history. Even now he is the 3rd best active player.
There is pretty much 0% chance for Fed to beat Nadal in the FO final. But, if Fed makes it to the final, he will be facing either Nadal/Djokovic after they play each other and wear each other out. So Fed does have a chance this year. Probably his best for a long while. It could happen.
mental midget
Hall of Fame
he's already clear of the field on total majors, but 2 RG titles would move him up a bit in the 'all time clay standings,' i guess. what does he have, 4 runner-ups or something? plus two championships, that's a HOF resume just off RG results.
overall though i don't think it reframes his career, for example, in any significant way. but a nice bit of window-dressing on the resume.
overall though i don't think it reframes his career, for example, in any significant way. but a nice bit of window-dressing on the resume.
i know rfed got a virtual bye to teh finals, which is cool... but unless djoker and nadal both lose before teh final.. he can't win.
The thought of another nadal vs. fed final on this surface is just something i don't want to see.
I didn't want to see it in '08 or '11 and i don't want to see it now
The thought of another nadal vs. fed final on this surface is just something i don't want to see.
I didn't want to see it in '08 or '11 and i don't want to see it now
Nothing. Lightning sometimes strikes twice. And he'd never beat RNadal at Roland Garros, so it'd be as much a fluke as 2009.
if roger could go back in time and lose the match before 100% of his clay matches against nadal.. thus making the H2H 8-7 Federer, but he then would've only made one French final (and won).. and in slams it would be 2-2.. 2 wimby's for rog.. 1 AO and wim for nadal
how would you feel about federer then, in theory?
Povl Carstensen
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Haters will still hate.
Dedans Penthouse
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He'd be that much closer to Chuck Norris.
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monfed
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I'm as big a fan of Federer as anyone else but sorry Kuerten is and always will be a league above Federer on clay. I actually have Kuerten as the clay GOAT(I know he only has 3 RGs to show for it).
Def
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Over Nadal and Borg? Really? What are your reasons for this?
6-1 6-3 6-0
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If, if, if.
What happened, happened. As much as you wish RNadal didn't totally punish RFederer in the h2h (and slam h2h)- he did. And those h2hs won't EVER be reversed.
I simply asked how you'd feel if he'd taken the Sampras approach to clay.
Heck, you can even take away his 1 RG, his career slam, and the 23 consecutive slam semifinals...
I just want to know if it were 16-11 Federer in slams, H2H 8-7 Federer if your persona would even exist.
Heck.. i'll even give you Rafa donking out of the indoor tounaments before playing the Indoor GOAT... so now you can take those 4 matches and it can be 7-4 Nadal.
So you can have the H2H edge.. they just will have barely played any matches.
Frankly though.. something tells me that if Federer hadn't gotten pwned in all those clay matches that he still might've had a lot more belief against Rafa and not lost the 2008 Wimbledon match.
doobiedoodoo
Rookie
Will Federer even make it to the finals?
6-1 6-3 6-0
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I can barely understand your question.
"Sampras approach"? PSampras didn't tank every tournament in which he was scheduled to play AAgassi later. He simply wasn't good enough on clay to get to AAgassi- he didn't tank.
You're asking meaningless hypotheticals. There's no point in chopping and changing the h2h, accept it for what it is-
8-2 in slams (5 played on clay-courts, 5 on hard + grass-courts: perfectly even)
20-10 in slams (15 played on clay-courts, 15 on hard + grass-courts: again, perfectly even)
It's the perfect h2h. And RNadal leads it.
Sorana fan
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Yeah, I have James Blake as overall GOAT (I know he never won a **** to show for it, but, hey, we are all able to say nonsense)
who's going to beat him?
sure his form isn't great, but honestly this is one hell of a gift of a draw.
Ferrer? yeah, right.. even on clay, no way.
he's going to get to this final untested, and get straight setted in the final unless nole and ralph get into a fist fight after the match and blow out each other's elbows.
I agree that he's ripe for the QF streak to end... but not here.
I really don't think anyone other than nadal fans want to see a Fedal final.. there's no allure on clay anymore.. i'd like to see it at Wimbledon or the USO.. but not on Rafa's home court... we've seen it 4 times.. it's not going to get any better.
I can barely understand your question.
"Sampras approach"? PSampras didn't tank every tournament in which he was scheduled to play AAgassi later. He simply wasn't good enough on clay to get to AAgassi- he didn't tank.
You're asking meaningless hypotheticals. There's no point in chopping and changing the h2h, accept it for what it is-
8-2 in slams (5 played on clay-courts, 5 on hard + grass-courts: perfectly even)
20-10 in slams (15 played on clay-courts, 15 on hard + grass-courts: again, perfectly even)
It's the perfect h2h. And RNadal leads it.
1/2 the matches on a surface that's 1/4th the tour? Only perfect for Nadal.
Someone needs to stop this from being a Fedal final... no one wants to see it other than you.
honestly this year has the potential to be worse than 1, 3, 0
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I have Monica Seles as Grass GOAT. She never won Wimbledon and lost her only final there 6-2, 6-1, but I dont care, I just think she deserves it. Now we are making as much sense as the stupendous tennis mind that is MonFckHead. :lol:
