What would a Federer loss to Murray tomorrow mean to you?

[LanceStern]

So the date is set, tomorrow it's going to be Federer vs. Murray in the Men's semifinal of the Qatar Open. This type of match puts butts in the seats because we have one star, and one rising star facing each other for the 4th time in 3 months (and 5th time in 5 months including the exhibition). I'm really excited to see the results, and and hoping for a real nailbiter with Federer pulling out the win in the 3rd set.

In their past few meetings however, it's been a similar pattern for 3 setters. Federer wins the 1st set, Fed slips and Murray steps it up to take the second, then they fight tooth and nail with Murray winning it in the third.

If this were to happen tomorrow, or if Federer loses some other way, would that mean anything to you?

- People who don't like Federer may see it as his doomsday
- Murray lovers may see it as Murray is better than Fed
- Others may see it as Murray knows how to beat Fed in 3 setters
- Others may draw absolutely nothing from it. It was just a tennis match.
- Others may try to bring Nadal or other players into the picture to change the subject or lessen the loss etc.

Whatever it is, I'd like to know. I would hope we could do without arguing or riling each other up, but keep insults and harsh opinions to a minimum, unless you end your message with a meaning you willingly knew your comment might stir something up.

With me personally, it would mean that Murray knows how to beat Fed in 3 setters, and Federer would have to change it up just a little bit and find a way to etch out that 3rd set on the crucial points.

 

[TheTruth]

So the date is set, tomorrow it's going to be Federer vs. Murray in the Men's semifinal of the Qatar Open. This type of match puts butts in the seats because we have one star, and one rising star facing each other for the 4th time in 3 months (and 5th time in 5 months including the exhibition). I'm really excited to see the results, and and hoping for a real nailbiter with Federer pulling out the win in the 3rd set.

In their past few meetings however, it's been a similar pattern for 3 setters. Federer wins the 1st set, Fed slips and Murray steps it up to take the second, then they fight tooth and nail with Murray winning it in the third.

If this were to happen tomorrow, or if Federer loses some other way, would that mean anything to you?

- People who don't like Federer may see it as his doomsday
- Murray lovers may see it as Murray is better than Fed
- Others may see it as Murray knows how to beat Fed in 3 setters
- Others may draw absolutely nothing from it. It was just a tennis match.
- Others may try to bring Nadal or other players into the picture to change the subject or lessen the loss etc.

Whatever it is, I'd like to know. I would hope we could do without arguing or riling each other up, but keep insults and harsh opinions to a minimum, unless you end your message with a meaning you willingly knew your comment might stir something up.

With me personally, it would mean that Murray knows how to beat Fed in 3 setters, and Federer would have to change it up just a little bit and find a way to etch out that 3rd set on the crucial points.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[mrmo1115]

Nothing more. Nothing less.

I agree

 

[S H O W S T O P P E R !]

We'll talk when this matchup is in the Australian Open.

 

[zacinnc78]

It would be the catalyst of the new chapter of Federer's Great Demise of 2009 .World economies will fall,gas prices will rise,famine,earthquakes,...oh and the Plague.

Thats what alot of observers will say...but im gonna go with"it was just 2 guys playing tennis and one guy got the better of the other on a not-so-important match ".

 

[Gemini]

Murray would be Federer's new Nalbandian....

 

[akv89]

Tomorrow's match probably means little to Federer in terms of what the outcome is gonna be. His goal for this tournament was to be challenged and get some good match practice before the Australian Open, and so far it's going well.

 

[zacinnc78]

and murray actually needs to win the tournament more since he is "defending"right? Besides...nadal and djokers out so...hopefully federer will buckle down and send murray packing,but he might not feel the ugency to pour it on this time either..

 

[tacou]

despite what everyone is saying I think a Murray win would be big and significant for his confidence; yes it's not a major but it'll continue his dominance over Fed and should they meet in AO he won't be intimidated in the least, not that he should be now.

 

[msc886]

I'm just gonna call it a tennis match where one player got the better of the other. This is a warmup tournament for both of them and you can't really make any predictions based on that.

 

[zacinnc78]

feds smart...he will make it look like hes not trying as hard ,or experimnting lol
(even if he is trying like h3ll)

 

[TheTruth]

despite what everyone is saying I think a Murray win would be big and significant for his confidence; yes it's not a major but it'll continue his dominance over Fed and should they meet in AO he won't be intimidated in the least, not that he should be now.

Those are all good points, but since it's the beginning of the season I'm not really looking at results right now. Everyone's come back off of layoff, so we'll see how it goes.

 

[msc886]

despite what everyone is saying I think a Murray win would be big and significant for his confidence; yes it's not a major but it'll continue his dominance over Fed and should they meet in AO he won't be intimidated in the least, not that he should be now.

He's already beaten Federer a few times though. I don't think it will be that significant to his confidence. He probably already has that against Federer just like the Nadal and Djokovic (although Djokovic has not beaten Federer as much). However if Murray defeats Federer in a major, then it will dramatically boost his confidence.

 

[fastdunn]

not much. in general what both players want from this match is just ... match practice.


but maybe murray still wants to defend his title. and maybe federer wants to set the tone for this year by winning the title. then it might be actually interesting.

 

[(FEDERER)vs(NADAL)]

fed wil win i have no doubt

 

[danb]

I think from the players perspective:
Fed loss - (really) bad for Fed
Murray loss - so and so for Murray

Let me explain why. Fed is downhill and he has to hold off Murray at least on fast courts, whereas Murray is improving so Murray can say "next time we'll see".
My 2 cents. Just FYI in this match I will root for Murray.

To me neither loss means that much...

 

[fps]

for me it would make murray favourite for the australian open.

i don't buy this thing about fed just being able to flick a switch and *turn it on when it really counts*. facts show he lost more last year. if he continually loses to players like murray and nadal, or *decides* not to play at his optimum, he is going to be weaker going into the big matches with them- the opponent will be more confident, and federer will not have tested his ability to play under pressure in the opportunities given to him to do so. i think tomorrow is huge.

 

[tacou]

He's already beaten Federer a few times though. I don't think it will be that significant to his confidence. He probably already has that against Federer just like the Nadal and Djokovic (although Djokovic has not beaten Federer as much). However if Murray defeats Federer in a major, then it will dramatically boost his confidence.

that's whay I said "not that he should be now."

USO was the first time they met at a major when Murray was considered a legit contender and he froze under the pressure (understandably). since then he's had Fed's number and if he continues it I don't see why a grand slam change would suddenly change that. just my opinion

 

[beckham]

Murray would have some major confidence going into the AO and could take it all the way...

 

[veritech]

a murray win would mean federer is done.
a federer win would mean murray is a joke.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

some people also claim a murray win would mean that he just played better?

tsk tsk....

what are people thinking these days...

 

[GeoffB]

It would be relevant, but not overwhelming.

Right now, Fed is still a question mark. It's unclear how much of his "slump" (almost feels ridiculous to call it that) was due to illness and the rise of Nadal. A victory over Murray, even in a minor tournament, would provide mild support for the notion that he still has the ability to roll through tournaments (especially since Murray has given Fed some trouble in the past).

A win for Murray would reinforce the notion that continues to be a rising star, someone who can join Fed/Nadal/Djoker as a threat to win major tournaments.

That said, it's a minor tournament. Minor - but not irrelevant. Neither stands to win or lose a great deal from tomorrow's matchup, but it could provide a bit of a boost.

 

[mental midget]

for me it would make murray favourite for the australian open.

i don't buy this thing about fed just being able to flick a switch and *turn it on when it really counts*. facts show he lost more last year. if he continually loses to players like murray and nadal, or *decides* not to play at his optimum, he is going to be weaker going into the big matches with them- the opponent will be more confident, and federer will not have tested his ability to play under pressure in the opportunities given to him to do so. i think tomorrow is huge.

i agree with this. winning is a habit. if you can't keep the effort going, then you scale back the schedule, which is what it looks like he's doing. but the whole 'yeah, i wasn't really trying' is a fool's consolation.

i find it hard to believe he doesn't want to win tomorrow very badly. can anyone speak to his physical issues? is the back acting up? heard the serve percentage was way down v. seppi.

 

[Jack the Hack]

A Federer loss would mean the cataclysmic end of the world.

Just look at what a few losses by him last year led to...

... the world financial collapse.
... war in the Middle East.
... Seles getting booted of Dancing with the Stars.

This match tomorrow could be huge for all of us. Just pray that Murray takes a dive for our sakes.

 

[ThA_Azn_DeViL]

If Federer loses, ill quit tennis.
If Murray loses, all of ya'll have to quit.

 

[JeMar]

Only grand slam matches matter when you're at Federer's current career stage.

 

[tacou]

A Federer loss would mean the cataclysmic end of the world.

Just look at what a few losses by him last year led to...

... the world financial collapse.
... war in the Middle East.
... Seles getting booted of Dancing with the Stars.

This match tomorrow could be huge for all of us. Just pray that Murray takes a dive for our sakes.

omfg you are right. that means if he can manage the FO title we might enjoy world peace!

 

[zacinnc78]

A Federer loss would mean the cataclysmic end of the world.

Just look at what a few losses by him last year led to...

... the world financial collapse.
... war in the Middle East.
... Seles getting booted of Dancing with the Stars.

This match tomorrow could be huge for all of us. Just pray that Murray takes a dive for our sakes.

agreed wholeheartedly

 

[SempreSami]

It would mean Murray played better than Federer on that day.

 

[roundiesee]

A loss would not mean much to Federer, as he's mainly gunning for slam titles now, but of course it'll be nice if he can beat Murray and then go on to win the title.

 

[GameSampras]

anyone have the match time by any chance?

 

[Morrissey]

Well according to the ´Federer fans Manual´ It would mean that it didn´t matter, but if he wins it counts. Unless Murray beats Fed in a Grand Slam it didn´t matter and that Fed only wins when it matters. I didn´t know the AO, FO and W didn´t matter anymore. I never got the memo, neither did Nadal and Joker.

 

[phoenicks]

Well according to the ´Federer fans Manual´ It would mean that it didn´t matter, but if he wins it counts. Unless Murray beats Fed in a Grand Slam it didn´t matter and that Fed only wins when it matters. I didn´t know the AO, FO and W didn´t matter anymore. I never got the memo, neither did Nadal and Joker.

epic, you hit the nail on Fedtart's head

 

[Feña14]

I'm a big fan of both players and a win for Murray tomorrow will be quite a big deal for Murray. Another win against Federer will keep the momentum going nicely, a blip here would give much needed confidence to his rivals ahead of the big one.

 

[SempreSami]

Well according to the ´Federer fans Manual´ It would mean that it didn´t matter, but if he wins it counts. Unless Murray beats Fed in a Grand Slam it didn´t matter and that Fed only wins when it matters. I didn´t know the AO, FO and W didn´t matter anymore. I never got the memo, neither did Nadal and Joker.

He's also still got Mono/HIV/tennis cancer. :roll:

 

[Morrissey]

He's also still got Mono/HIV/tennis cancer. :roll:

Would that still be in effect if he loses tomorrow as well?

 

[SempreSami]

Only if he loses.

 

[Morrissey]

Only if he loses.

Ah! I will add that to the Federer Fans Manual for future reference.

 

[veroniquem]

It would mean that Murray owns Federer in 3 set matches on hard, something that we already know anyway! However if the match is intense Murray might be better off saving his energy for the AO and not risking aggravating his back.

 

[drakulie]

If Federer loses tomorrow I'm going to make excuses like no one has ever seen. If you all think Nadal_Freak is bad>>>> turn your computers off, cause hell is coming with me. :evil:

 

[Morrissey]

If Federer loses tomorrow I'm going to make excuses like no one has ever seen. If you all think Nadal_Freak is bad>>>> turn your computers off, cause hell is coming with me. :evil:

Haha! I really hope Murray wins now. I have to see this! He´s gonna empty out the whole `Fed Fans Manual´ tomorrow.

 

[SempreSami]

I'm thinking of a few now.

He has mono.
The soles of his shoes didn't agree with the court surface.
Hawkeye is out to get him.
Jay Leno is out to get him.
He was tired after taking Mirka out to dinner. :roll:
He has to let the inferior players win now and again.

 

[veroniquem]

Everybody knows what the main excuse would be:
" Right now he only cares about slams."

 

[Morrissey]

You forgot the classic one guys. ¨Fed lost because he can!¨

 

[Fedace]

What time is the match and is there going to be LIVE streaming ??
and it won't be that bad since world is coming to an end in 2012. I saw the end in the History channell.

 

[LanceStern]

I'm asking any future posters to ignore the comments made by Morrissey, Veroniquem and Sempresami.

But some of the replies I'm getting are:
"It won't matter much to Fed" or
"It doesn't mean too much for murray".

I didn't ask what it would mean to them, because we can't go into their heads' anyways. I asked what the win/loss would mean to you?

Let's pray it's not a straight-set win or loss. That would throw the whole board into chaos as to what it implies

 

[Morrissey]

I'm asking any future posters to ignore the comments made by Morrissey, Veroniquem and Sempresami.

But some of the replies I'm getting are:
"It won't matter much to Fed" or
"It doesn't mean too much for murray".

I didn't ask what it would mean to them, because we can't go into their heads' anyways. I asked what the win/loss would mean to you?

Let's pray it's not a straight-set win or loss. That would throw the whole board into chaos as to what it implies

I´m just repeating what everyone says after Fed loses to Murray. So ignore 85-90% of Fedfans in here then.

 

[LanceStern]

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[SempreSami]

I'm asking any future posters to ignore the comments made by Morrissey, Veroniquem and Sempresami.

But some of the replies I'm getting are:
"It won't matter much to Fed" or
"It doesn't mean too much for murray".

I didn't ask what it would mean to them, because we can't go into their heads' anyways. I asked what the win/loss would mean to you?

Let's pray it's not a straight-set win or loss. That would throw the whole board into chaos as to what it implies

I'm choosing to ignore your comments, OMG PARADOX.

 

[the Artist]

Fed will win today.