When Alcaraz wins it's the second coming, when he loses he's a lost cause. The kneejerking is incredible.

[Zardoz7/12]

One thing people ignore is that Alcaraz has now reached the Quarters or better at all the slams and he's only 20. A lot of the hate towards Alcaraz is because he's seen to be the player who puts the nails into the Djokovic coffin, ultimately Djokovic doesn't have that long left on tour.

He's a talent, he's young and there is still room for improvement. I like him, I like his fight, his style and I hope he stays injury free and wins boat loads of Slams. He's a two time slam winner.

Why suddenly turn on him? My worry about Alcaraz is that Djokovic lives rent free in his head after Cincinnati, he doesn't need that mental baggage.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He is becoming another Nadal

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

He’s been worked out by the top players! Needs a plan B or C

 

[TheAssassin]

I don't think Djokovic lives rent free in his head, though Alcaraz would do well to shift a bit of focus on the field generally, since his own career will overlap more with the rest of NextGens than with Djokovic (probably lol).

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I would say Sir this is a Wendy's, but it's TTW so this is actually on brand behavior.

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

Zverev exposed all his flaws and humbled him good. Alcaraz thought he was on the same level as Djokovic but you got to get to the king first before you talk nonsense.

 

[Born_to_slice]

He’s been worked out by the top players! Needs a plan B or C

Needs to serve from a tree

 

[FeroBango]

Lol the OP expected level headed takes here.

Go away Alcaraz is a sux, only others can improve, Alcaraz has no upside etc

 

[nolefam_2024]

Zverev exposed all his flaws and humbled him good. Alcaraz thought he was on the same level as Djokovic but you got to get to the king first before you talk nonsense.

Yes he is not on same level as Djokovic especially on hc. He needs to drop that delusion and work hard. Hc is 70% of the tour. As he is getting trounced by these guys Medvedev and Zverev it's not long before sinner beats him in hc major as well.

Forget about Nole. He is God of hc.


The USOpen 2022 would have looked far different with a Djokovic in it. Djokovic banned, Nadal near retirement, Medvedev in slump and Zverev injured. He won the slam. It was very weak slam although ttw loves it because it's one less slam for Djokovic and they also thought they have their own savior who has completely overtaken tennis. This was the anti Djokovic feeling post USO 22.

Never mind that Djokovic came back and won 30 of 31 or some ridiculous amount of matches on hc post this one.

Alcaraz needs to first start winning titles again. He is on Nadal like slump post Wimby 2006. And if covid didn't happen, chances are he would be one slam winner instead of 2. The chances are actually very high since he needed five sets vs Tiafoe, a guy who nobody on ttw think will win a slam.

Harsh but true. Being better on hc is must. He is right now behind both Medvedev and Zverev and sinner is improving very fast.

 

[Vito Andolini]

Djokovic is the least of his worries for now. He needs to become more consistent first of all. He is having many more bad days since Cincinnati.

 

[mental midget]

think he'll find the most success on natural surfaces...less a threat from baseline bullies and rewards his improvisational talents and speed.

 

[nolefam_2024]

think he'll find the most success on natural surfaces...less a threat from baseline bullies and rewards his improvisational talents and speed.

Will that also include grass

Sinner already beat him there and he is improving very fast.

 

[djokovic the conqueror]

Yes he is not on same level as Djokovic especially on hc. He needs to drop that delusion and work hard. Hc is 70% of the tour. As he is getting trounced by these guys Medvedev and Zverev it's not long before sinner beats him in hc major as well.

Forget about Nole. He is God of hc.


The USOpen 2022 would have looked far different with a Djokovic in it. Djokovic banned, Nadal near retirement, Medvedev in slump and Zverev injured. He won the slam. It was very weak slam although ttw loves it because it's one less slam for Djokovic and they also thought they have their own savior who has completely overtaken tennis. This was the anti Djokovic feeling post USO 22.

Never mind that Djokovic came back and won 30 of 31 or some ridiculous amount of matches on hc post this one.

Alcaraz needs to first start winning titles again. He is on Nadal like slump post Wimby 2006. And if covid didn't happen, chances are he would be one slam winner instead of 2. The chances are actually very high since he needed five sets vs Tiafoe, a guy who nobody on ttw think will win a slam.

Harsh but true. Being better on hc is must. He is right now behind both Medvedev and Zverev and sinner is improving very fast.

You're right. Nole is truly the best on hard courts. He will surpass Federer in hard court titles and eventually total hard court wins.

 

[Neptune]

Zverev exposed all his flaws and humbled him good. Alcaraz thought he was on the same level as Djokovic but you got to get to the king first before you talk nonsense.

Not sure his slam draws will reach this kind of level?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Omg the tide is turning on Carlos very fast

He needs to have major shakeup now. It's like Nadal winning IW 2007 and bullying in clay season. Alcaraz will need to do something drastic

Just like Djokovic peaking behind him in 2007, sinner is virtually level with him and he will play semis without dropping a set.

It's very bad situation from just a year ago for Raz.

 

[tudwell]

It'll be nice once the Sinner-Djokovic semi is over. Whatever ends up happening, people will forget about Alcaraz and either rake Sinner over the coals for being another Next Gen MUG or fill the first page of GPPD with threads asking if Novak should retire now that he's lost to a young player at his pet slam.

 

[dkmura]

I think we forget how young Alcarez still is. Yes, he burst on the scene with incredible skills and the endurance/shotmaking of a veteran. But the mental pressure of staying on top of world class tennis tour takes time to strengthen and develop. No surprise if Carlos moves up and down in the top five as he grows up.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Lol the OP expected level headed takes here.

Go away Alcaraz is a sux, only others can improve, Alcaraz has no upside etc

Already declining

 

[FeroBango]

Already declining

Scientifically proven.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

It'll be nice once the Sinner-Djokovic semi is over. Whatever ends up happening, people will forget about Alcaraz and either rake Sinner over the coals for being another Next Gen MUG or fill the first page of GPPD with threads asking if Novak should retire now that he's lost to a young player at his pet slam.

All the pressure is on Sinner

 

[mavsman149]

It’s ridiculous, people put a fork in him after the French last year and look what happened right after at Wimbledon.

It’s not fair to Carlos, but I believe it’s entirely based on the fact that he’s seen as the successor to the big 3, so he has unreal lofty expectations. The crazy thing, at 20 years old he’s already ahead of where Djokovic or Federer were, not sure about Nadal off the top of my head.

 

[TheSlicer]

Omg the tide is turning on Carlos very fast

He needs to have major shakeup now. It's like Nadal winning IW 2007 and bullying in clay season. Alcaraz will need to do something drastic

Just like Djokovic peaking behind him in 2007, sinner is virtually level with him and he will play semis without dropping a set.

It's very bad situation from just a year ago for Raz.

Relax, one year ago he couldnt even play the thing, he ll be ok

 

[pirhaksar]

One thing people ignore is that Alcaraz has now reached the Quarters or better at all the slams and he's only 20. A lot of the hate towards Alcaraz is because he's seen to be the player who puts the nails into the Djokovic coffin, ultimately Djokovic doesn't have that long left on tour.

He's a talent, he's young and there is still room for improvement. I like him, I like his fight, his style and I hope he stays injury free and wins boat loads of Slams. He's a two time slam winner.

Why suddenly turn on him? My worry about Alcaraz is that Djokovic lives rent free in his head after Cincinnati, he doesn't need that mental baggage.

Agree with most of what you said except for Djokovic living in his head that too after Bo3 match after having beaten him in arguably the biggest match of the year refusing to buckle. So Djokovic says nice words and Raz is thinking of Djokovic always (as he should btw if he wants to best the best) he is now a mental midget!? I mean even for TTW that is poor.

 

[TennisManiac]

He's only 20 years old for God's sake. He's been under a ton of pressure to succeed and keep winning slams like he's in his prime or something. Let the kid grow up a bit more, get more experience on "all" surfaces and watch this dude win about 10 to 15 more slams during the course of his career. People on here are chumps.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Hope, meet Expectation.

 

[Shaolin]

Then there are sane people who appreciate him as a great player but don't expect him to win every event for the next 30 years.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

It shows he’s no big 3 but he’s still a great player.

People need to stop hoping for someone to match the big 3. It’s likely never happening. The big 3 are aliens and are not the normal here.

Now I think people should appreciate how amazing and consistent were and still are especially with Djokovic now. It’s very difficult to keep at the top tournament after tournament and year after year.

 

[Purestriker]

He is becoming another Nadal

So 22 majors? Seems pretty good to me.

 

[Cabeza del Demonio]

One thing people ignore is that Alcaraz has now reached the Quarters or better at all the slams and he's only 20. A lot of the hate towards Alcaraz is because he's seen to be the player who puts the nails into the Djokovic coffin, ultimately Djokovic doesn't have that long left on tour.

He's a talent, he's young and there is still room for improvement. I like him, I like his fight, his style and I hope he stays injury free and wins boat loads of Slams. He's a two time slam winner.

Why suddenly turn on him? My worry about Alcaraz is that Djokovic lives rent free in his head after Cincinnati, he doesn't need that mental baggage.

I think it's because we're finally seeing him slip up and show he's human.

Personally I think these losses are super troubling for him, because he's losing a bit of his competitive edge & aura. It's one thing if he has these shock losses every now and then like he did at Rome. But once he starts settling into a pattern of losing in late rounds and mugging up every time against Djokovic, now he's consigned to the same purgatory as all the Zverevs, Thiems, and Medvedevs who came before.

If he can't clean house against Zverev, Medvedev, or 36-year-old Djokovic, how's he gonna continue winning Slams when younger, stronger contenders show up?

There's a real chance his career could pan out like Hewitt. Early stardom & hype, then a slow taper off for the next 15 years. I think it's highly unlikely, but it could happen if his post-Wimbledon form holds.

 

[nolefam_2024]

So 22 majors? Seems pretty good to me.

No
8 majors off clay for Nadal and 14 on clay

Raz might become Tiny Nadal.

 

[Ray Mercer]

One thing people ignore is that Alcaraz has now reached the Quarters or better at all the slams and he's only 20. A lot of the hate towards Alcaraz is because he's seen to be the player who puts the nails into the Djokovic coffin, ultimately Djokovic doesn't have that long left on tour.

He's a talent, he's young and there is still room for improvement. I like him, I like his fight, his style and I hope he stays injury free and wins boat loads of Slams. He's a two time slam winner.

Why suddenly turn on him? My worry about Alcaraz is that Djokovic lives rent free in his head after Cincinnati, he doesn't need that mental baggage.

I think people enjoy his style and want to see him do well but they’re ultimately disappointed when he keeps losing to non-all time great players. People want to see the next all time great dominate with an exciting brand of tennis. Unfortunately he’s getting beat by several different players in big matches. It’s not just one guy stopping him. Nobody wants to see Djokovic continue to win with his boring backboard style of play. It’s as exciting as watching paint dry. People want to see that next 2004-2007 Fed.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic would have beaten fed 2004-2007 on hc

It happens because of lesser competition

 

[jackson vile]

They’re former Federer fans what more could we expect?

 

[TheSlicer]

It shows he’s no big 3 but he’s still a great player.

People need to stop hoping for someone to match the big 3. It’s likely never happening. The big 3 are aliens and are not the normal here.

Now I think people should appreciate how amazing and consistent were and still are especially with Djokovic now. It’s very difficult to keep at the top tournament after tournament and year after year.

Does It really show that? Big 3 at his age werent much better, if at all, fact is we dont know what hes gonna do, but we do know what he is capable of, as this thread suggests, he wasnt that good when he won wimbledon and he isnt that bad now, lets see how he evolves and what he is capable of in the future

 

[nolefam_2024]

They’re former Federer fans what more could we expect?

Exactly

They just want Djokovic to lose. They talk about love of tennis and stuff

 

[Purestriker]

No
8 majors off clay for Nadal and 14 on clay

Raz might become Tiny Nadal.

I can help you out here, 8 plus 14 equals 22. Just like 10 AO's gets you to 24.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Does It really show that? Big 3 at his age werent much better, if at all, fact is we dont know what hes gonna do, but we do know what he is capable of, as this thread suggests, he wasnt that good when he won wimbledon and he isnt that bad now, lets see how he evolves and what he is capable of in the future

Yeah but expecting him to win 20 plus slams isn’t realistic. Just because the big 3 did it doesn’t mean anyone else will.

In my mind the big 3 just had an aura and mentality about them that was unmatched.

I personally think it’s harder for a younger generation player to focus more too with more social media and other distractions. These records are so far out of reach that it’s more likely for alcaraz to win a bit then slow down and get more into fame or fashion. I just don’t see the same obsession in him to be the greatest like the big 3 and he still has limitations to his game. Needs a plan b and c. We will see though.

 

[soldat]

No
8 majors off clay for Nadal and 14 on clay

Raz might become Tiny Nadal.

Yes, I don’t think Alcaraz is like Nadal though, at least not yet. Djokovic himself said Alcaraz was a completely different player than Nadal in one of his interviews.

 

[TheSlicer]

Yeah but expecting him to win 20 plus slams isn’t realistic. Just because the big 3 did it doesn’t mean anyone else will.

In my mind the big 3 just had an aura and mentality about them that was unmatched.

I personally think it’s harder for a younger generation player to focus more too with more social media and other distractions. These records are so far out of reach that it’s more likely for alcaraz to win a bit then slow down and get more into fame or fashion. I just don’t see the same obsession in him to be the greatest like the big 3 and he still has limitations to his game. Needs a plan b and c. We will see though.

Of course you cant expect It, all im saying is that we werent expecting that from anybody at Carlos age, the aura has been created with the years, It wasnt there to begin with, except Nadal maybe, that guy had a crazy head from the beginning and just had to polish his game, but yeah i agree society now is diferent and that might make that feat unreachable, we will see i guess

 

[malbaker86]

Then there are sane people who appreciate him as a great player but don't expect him to win every event for the next 30 years.

Thank you!!! Bro is NOT going to win every damn match/tournament he enters. Goodness

 

[itrium84]

Yes he is not on same level as Djokovic especially on hc. He needs to drop that delusion and work hard. Hc is 70% of the tour. As he is getting trounced by these guys Medvedev and Zverev it's not long before sinner beats him in hc major as well.

Forget about Nole. He is God of hc.


The USOpen 2022 would have looked far different with a Djokovic in it. Djokovic banned, Nadal near retirement, Medvedev in slump and Zverev injured. He won the slam. It was very weak slam although ttw loves it because it's one less slam for Djokovic and they also thought they have their own savior who has completely overtaken tennis. This was the anti Djokovic feeling post USO 22.

Never mind that Djokovic came back and won 30 of 31 or some ridiculous amount of matches on hc post this one.

Alcaraz needs to first start winning titles again. He is on Nadal like slump post Wimby 2006. And if covid didn't happen, chances are he would be one slam winner instead of 2. The chances are actually very high since he needed five sets vs Tiafoe, a guy who nobody on ttw think will win a slam.

Harsh but true. Being better on hc is must. He is right now behind both Medvedev and Zverev and sinner is improving very fast.

This

 

[itrium84]

Then there are sane people who appreciate him as a great player but don't expect him to win every event for the next 30 years.

1. There are no sane people here on ttw
2. I fully agree with the bolded part

 

[Winners or Errors]

Alcaraz is just inconsistent. Some days he looks like a world-beater and other days he sprays errors. Last night was the first time I've seen him look a bit slow to react to shots, though, so who knows what's going on with him. I don't think he'll ever have the consistent focus needed to be a day-in, day-out threat. That said, who'd have predicted Djoker would be that in 2010? No one. I'm fairly convinced none of the Djokovic fans now on the site were watching tennis then, with a few obvious exceptions, hence all of the hindsight claims about expecting his meteoric rise prior to that point. At the time, I just enjoyed watching his tennis and worried about him collapsing on the court.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I can help you out here, 8 plus 14 equals 22. Just like 10 AO's gets you to 24.

Inferior

I wanted alcaraz to be better than Nadal

Don't tell me just maths

 

[pirhaksar]

It shows he’s no big 3 but he’s still a great player.

People need to stop hoping for someone to match the big 3. It’s likely never happening. The big 3 are aliens and are not the normal here.

Now I think people should appreciate how amazing and consistent were and still are especially with Djokovic now. It’s very difficult to keep at the top tournament after tournament and year after year.

We don’t know that yet. At 20, he has a better resume than Federer and Djokovic.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

We don’t know that yet. At 20, he has a better resume than Federer and Djokovic.

I just don’t see it personally. He just doesn’t look like a player that will dominate. I feel he’s a bit too nice too. Laughing between points. I’m not sure he will be as dedicated as the big 3 either. They basically sacrificed everything to get where they are.

Lots of players believe they can beat him too. I think it’s a big ask he even gets 10 slams. I’ll eat my hat if he gets over 20.

I think slams will be shared out a lot after Djokovic goes and there will be several new winners.

That being said I think he will win more but not at the rate the big 3 did. He just doesn’t strike me as the type to get their consistency and same dedication/focus. We will see though.

 

[duaneeo]

This outcome is beyond upsetting. And spare me the "he's only 20". If a declined past-prime 36 year old Nole can dominate the competition at the slams, an improving not-yet-peak 20 year old Alcaraz should be able to dominate that same weak competition at the slams. And it seemed like that was case. Alcaraz lost to no one but Nole from 2022 USO to 2023 Wimbledon. To follow that up with losses to Medvedev and Zverev (both in 4 sets with breadsticks) is a huge step backwards.

 

[legcramp]

OP must be new here.

 

[InsuranceMan]

Zverev exposed all his flaws and humbled him good. Alcaraz thought he was on the same level as Djokovic but you got to get to the king first before you talk nonsense.

Actually if you weren’t aware he’s made it to the king before and earned his respect

No worries though

 

[messiahrobins]

One thing people ignore is that Alcaraz has now reached the Quarters or better at all the slams and he's only 20. A lot of the hate towards Alcaraz is because he's seen to be the player who puts the nails into the Djokovic coffin, ultimately Djokovic doesn't have that long left on tour.

He's a talent, he's young and there is still room for improvement. I like him, I like his fight, his style and I hope he stays injury free and wins boat loads of Slams. He's a two time slam winner.

Why suddenly turn on him? My worry about Alcaraz is that Djokovic lives rent free in his head after Cincinnati, he doesn't need that mental baggage.

Its the manner of the losses... not the actual losses.