Who Can Stop Federer?

OddJack

OddJack

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Rafael Nadal paid a leg and a half to stop him through 2008 and early 09, and now he is all but spent.

Murray got (bloody) hot last week and still lost in straights.

Djoker was handed a breadstick.

Dear Del Potro has always lost, not made for 5 sets.

I remember Pat Mac at this years AO saying he will never dominate again,
I say if he wins USO he is back on dominating, ever since Madrid.
 
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Chopin

Hall of Fame
I did enjoy how he dismantled Djokovic and Murray. Fed definitely needs a challenge outside of slams to play his best tennis.

The best part about the Murray match was even Murray had won so many matches against Fed this year, Fed just turned it on and gave Murray another US Open style master class.

To answer the question though--I don't think anyone can stop him outside of a healthy Nadal (and probably not in NY anyways).
 
fed_is_GOD

fed_is_GOD

Professional
Only if u call making it to the finals and losing in 5 sets(in both wimbledon and AO) is NOT dominating.. :twisted:.. it was only by whisker that nadal won on both occasions, the match could have swumng either way... just like this years wimby..roddick doesnt become the total loser there..
 
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BigServer1

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Assuming Federer plays his A game on this surface...He's pretty tough to beat. Nadal has the best chance because of their history, but this is not a surface that helps Nadal at all. Murray would be second, because of his ability to retrieve and frustrate Federer.

With that said, Federer's level could drop, and if he runs into a hot opponent along the way, he could very well lose.
 
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Deleted member 21996

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who can stop Federer... hum... hum...

the name Hrbaty comes to mind... just wear even more ridiculous outfits than Fed and that should get the job done!
 
A

Arrows

Rookie
Roddick would certainly challenge him, if he channels his Wimbledon performance. Other than that, can Gilles Simon last 5 sets?
 
Fedex

Fedex

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Chopin said:
I did enjoy how he dismantled Djokovic and Murray. Fed definitely needs a challenge outside of slams to play his best tennis.

The best part about the Murray match was even Murray had won so many matches against Fed this year, Fed just turned it on and gave Murray another US Open style master class.

To answer the question though--I don't think anyone can stop him outside of a healthy Nadal (and probably not in NY anyways).
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
If Murray beats Fed outside a slam, it's because Fed doesn't care.
If Fed beats Murray outside a slam, it's because Fed cares.
We'll see what happens at the USO and it'll be interesting to hear the excuses if Murray beats Fed in the final which, like it or not, is a real possibility.
Incidentally Gorecki, I notice you like FC Porto.
2003/04 - a very good team. Mixture of grit and flare.
I saw them in the early stages of the European Champions League and predicted they would win it.
Nearly everyone else were focussed and salivating over the usual suspects and ignoring the steel of Porto right up to the last but they were irresistible and could not be denied.
 
Antonio Puente

Antonio Puente

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Can someone beat Fed? Can Nadal beat Fed? If I use history as a guide, I think the better question would be: Can Fed beat Nadal? Can Fed beat Nadal in a slam?

Fed is only where he is currently because of Rafa's injury.
 
Sentinel

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Antonio Puente said:
Can someone beat Fed? Can Nadal beat Fed? If I use history as a guide, I think the better question would be: Can Fed beat Nadal? Can Fed beat Nadal in a slam?

Fed is only where he is currently because of Rafa's injury.
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Ooh Aah, Rafa got where he got with his so-called H2H due to fed's back injury and mono.

Wake up, guys, smell the coffee (as one of my good friends here would say :-D )
 
Fedex

Fedex

Legend
Antonio Puente said:
Can someone beat Fed? Can Nadal beat Fed? If I use history as a guide, I think the better question would be: Can Fed beat Nadal? Can Fed beat Nadal in a slam?

Fed is only where he is currently because of Rafa's injury.
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I think you have to use current history as a guide and that would suggest that Nadal is struggling just now which is understandable.
The forms of Federer and Murray indicate that these are the guys to beat.
Federer is outstanding just now and, if you are objective about it, Murray is the most likely player with the form and the history to upset Federer. Not Nadal.
 
mandy01

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Lots of them.He's barely scraped past in few of the slams and if he cant do that on a really bad day,he's out before you know.
How many people predicted Nadal to lose as early as in the fourth round of the FO?
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
I would say the most likely players to stop Federer are either:

Nadal
Murray
Simon

I don't see Djokovic, Roddick, Davydenko, or even Tsonga doing anything to Fed in NYC.
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
Antonio Puente said:
Can someone beat Fed? Can Nadal beat Fed? If I use history as a guide, I think the better question would be: Can Fed beat Nadal? Can Fed beat Nadal in a slam?

Fed is only where he is currently because of Rafa's injury.
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And Rafa took atvantage of Fed's mono and bad back to gain 5 wins against him in 2008-2009. Excuses can go both ways.
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
Marius_Hancu said:
Mainly, only Fed, should he play only the baseline.
Secondarily, Murray, Delpo, on a great day.
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Delpo beating Federer in a HC slam? Remember what happened at AO 09? 6-3 6-0 6-0. Even on clay Delpo couldn't beat Fed, not in Madrid and not in the FO.

Fed owns Del Potro. In fact, he's the only player currently that owns Del Potro.
 
zagor

zagor

Bionic Poster
P_Agony said:
I'm pretty sure that on friday.
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Thanks.Really looking forward to USO as it's my favourite slam,it's the surface I most like in tennis(fast hardcourt)and the one on which most players today play their best tennis.
 
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feetofclay

Semi-Pro
P_Agony said:
And Rafa took atvantage of Fed's mono and bad back to gain 5 wins against him in 2008-2009. Excuses can go both ways.
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Well according to Federer he was good to go in 2008,

Q. You mentioned the Olympics. Are you confident you have things figured out, you'll be able to bring your best game to Beijing? I know it's an important tournament for you.
ROGER FEDERER: Look, it's a tricky tournament. It's best-of-three the first rounds and then best-of-five for the finals. It's a more dangerous tournament than maybe a Grand Slam.
Anyway, I feel like I'm exactly where I want to be. I'm playing well again. I'm physically in a good shape again.

Wimbledon 2008,
Q. How would you compare your game now to your game a year ago this time?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, now it's better again. Maybe at the beginning of the year, like I said, I felt a little slow. Just felt a little bit rattled due to the sickness I had.
But today I feel as good again as last year. You know, one year has gone by. I've played plenty of matches. I feel like I'm playing well, which is good.

After Roland Garros final 2008,
. You talked about your disease and the problems you had at the beginning of this season, and all the hard work you had to put in to come back to your best level. Many times during this tournament you said that you felt you were at 100% of your physical abilities. Now tell us the truth. Weren't you lying a bit to us about that? And do you genuinely feel at the top level, the level you were at before your disease?

ROGER FEDERER: Honestly, yes. I felt good today from a physical standpoint, but things turned out a bit more difficult for me than usual. He no longer plays short balls as he did in the past. You can no longer attack him on his forehand, as I could in the past. He is getting much more aggressive, and it's becoming much more difficult.

I tried to fight him physically speaking and points were not difficult for me, but he was just much stronger than me today. I didn't want to give him any free points, but it's got nothing to do with mental state or physical state. He was just stronger today.
 
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feetofclay

Semi-Pro
P_Agony said:
And Rafa took atvantage of Fed's mono and bad back to gain 5 wins against him in 2008-2009. Excuses can go both ways.
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Well according to Federer he was good to go in 2008-2009

Q. You mentioned the Olympics. Are you confident you have things figured out, you'll be able to bring your best game to Beijing? I know it's an important tournament for you.
ROGER FEDERER: Look, it's a tricky tournament. It's best-of-three the first rounds and then best-of-five for the finals. It's a more dangerous tournament than maybe a Grand Slam.
Anyway, I feel like I'm exactly where I want to be. I'm playing well again. I'm physically in a good shape again.

Wimbledon 2008,
Q. How would you compare your game now to your game a year ago this time?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, now it's better again. Maybe at the beginning of the year, like I said, I felt a little slow. Just felt a little bit rattled due to the sickness I had.
But today I feel as good again as last year. You know, one year has gone by. I've played plenty of matches. I feel like I'm playing well, which is good.

After Roland Garros final 2008,
. You talked about your disease and the problems you had at the beginning of this season, and all the hard work you had to put in to come back to your best level. Many times during this tournament you said that you felt you were at 100% of your physical abilities. Now tell us the truth. Weren't you lying a bit to us about that? And do you genuinely feel at the top level, the level you were at before your disease?

ROGER FEDERER: Honestly, yes. I felt good today from a physical standpoint, but things turned out a bit more difficult for me than usual. He no longer plays short balls as he did in the past. You can no longer attack him on his forehand, as I could in the past. He is getting much more aggressive, and it's becoming much more difficult.

I tried to fight him physically speaking and points were not difficult for me, but he was just much stronger than me today. I didn't want to give him any free points, but it's got nothing to do with mental state or physical state. He was just stronger today.

Australian Open 2009,
Q. Right now. Do you feel more confident than when you won the US Open last year, before you won the US Open last year?

ROGER FEDERER: Before the US Open?

Q. Yes.

ROGER FEDERER: Yes, I feel better today just because I've had a decent preparation. This time around I felt great during Kooyong. I had good preparation, feel well.
 
dincuss

dincuss

Hall of Fame
OddJack said:
Rafael Nadal paid a leg and a half to stop him through 2008 and early 09, and now he is all but spent.

Murray got (bloody) hot last week and still lost in straights.

Djoker was handed a breadstick.

Dear Del Potro has always lost, not made for 5 sets.

I remember Pat Mac at this years AO saying he will never dominate again,
I say if he wins USO he is back on dominating, ever since Madrid.
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Sampras could if he was in his prime ;)
 
flyinghippos101

flyinghippos101

Legend
feetofclay said:
Well according to Federer he was good to go in 2008,

Q. You mentioned the Olympics. Are you confident you have things figured out, you'll be able to bring your best game to Beijing? I know it's an important tournament for you.
ROGER FEDERER: Look, it's a tricky tournament. It's best-of-three the first rounds and then best-of-five for the finals. It's a more dangerous tournament than maybe a Grand Slam.
Anyway, I feel like I'm exactly where I want to be. I'm playing well again. I'm physically in a good shape again.

Wimbledon 2008,
Q. How would you compare your game now to your game a year ago this time?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, now it's better again. Maybe at the beginning of the year, like I said, I felt a little slow. Just felt a little bit rattled due to the sickness I had.
But today I feel as good again as last year. You know, one year has gone by. I've played plenty of matches. I feel like I'm playing well, which is good.

After Roland Garros final 2008,
. You talked about your disease and the problems you had at the beginning of this season, and all the hard work you had to put in to come back to your best level. Many times during this tournament you said that you felt you were at 100% of your physical abilities. Now tell us the truth. Weren't you lying a bit to us about that? And do you genuinely feel at the top level, the level you were at before your disease?

ROGER FEDERER: Honestly, yes. I felt good today from a physical standpoint, but things turned out a bit more difficult for me than usual. He no longer plays short balls as he did in the past. You can no longer attack him on his forehand, as I could in the past. He is getting much more aggressive, and it's becoming much more difficult.

I tried to fight him physically speaking and points were not difficult for me, but he was just much stronger than me today. I didn't want to give him any free points, but it's got nothing to do with mental state or physical state. He was just stronger today.
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Source please
 
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Djumex

Rookie
@topic

Who Can Stop Federer? .....at USO....
In order of best chance at beating him.....I say:
1.Murray
2.Djokovic
3.Roddick
4.Del Potro
5.Tsonga
6.Nadal
 
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bruce38

Banned
Antonio Puente said:
Can someone beat Fed? Can Nadal beat Fed? If I use history as a guide, I think the better question would be: Can Fed beat Nadal? Can Fed beat Nadal in a slam?

Fed is only where he is currently because of Rafa's injury.
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I Think the OP made a good point here. Rafa sustained that injury because he had to try so hard to beat a sloppy Fed at AO. In other words, there is no way he would not have sustained this injury if he beat Fed. That's what it took. Proof? Just check history. Rafa played just as much in the past with not as bad an injury. To stay healthy he has to play his game, which could not beat a normal Fed. So essentially Fed is where he is because of himself.
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
OddJack said:
Rafael Nadal paid a leg and a half to stop him through 2008 and early 09, and now he is all but spent.

Murray got (bloody) hot last week and still lost in straights.

Djoker was handed a breadstick.

Dear Del Potro has always lost, not made for 5 sets.

I remember Pat Mac at this years AO saying he will never dominate again,
I say if he wins USO he is back on dominating, ever since Madrid.
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Murray. See his comments:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/21/andy-murray-roger-federer-rivalry

"I beat him just before the Australian Open in Doha, and it's good for the confidence any time that you beat him," Murray said. "But the one thing that wouldn't change my mindset is that you realise every day is different and that if I lose to him I can easily beat him at the US Open in a couple of weeks."
 
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joeri888

G.O.A.T.
feetofclay said:
Well according to Federer he was good to go in 2008-2009

Q. You mentioned the Olympics. Are you confident you have things figured out, you'll be able to bring your best game to Beijing? I know it's an important tournament for you.
ROGER FEDERER: Look, it's a tricky tournament. It's best-of-three the first rounds and then best-of-five for the finals. It's a more dangerous tournament than maybe a Grand Slam.
Anyway, I feel like I'm exactly where I want to be. I'm playing well again. I'm physically in a good shape again.

Wimbledon 2008,
Q. How would you compare your game now to your game a year ago this time?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, now it's better again. Maybe at the beginning of the year, like I said, I felt a little slow. Just felt a little bit rattled due to the sickness I had.
But today I feel as good again as last year. You know, one year has gone by. I've played plenty of matches. I feel like I'm playing well, which is good.

After Roland Garros final 2008,
. You talked about your disease and the problems you had at the beginning of this season, and all the hard work you had to put in to come back to your best level. Many times during this tournament you said that you felt you were at 100% of your physical abilities. Now tell us the truth. Weren't you lying a bit to us about that? And do you genuinely feel at the top level, the level you were at before your disease?

ROGER FEDERER: Honestly, yes. I felt good today from a physical standpoint, but things turned out a bit more difficult for me than usual. He no longer plays short balls as he did in the past. You can no longer attack him on his forehand, as I could in the past. He is getting much more aggressive, and it's becoming much more difficult.

I tried to fight him physically speaking and points were not difficult for me, but he was just much stronger than me today. I didn't want to give him any free points, but it's got nothing to do with mental state or physical state. He was just stronger today.

Australian Open 2009,
Q. Right now. Do you feel more confident than when you won the US Open last year, before you won the US Open last year?

ROGER FEDERER: Before the US Open?

Q. Yes.

ROGER FEDERER: Yes, I feel better today just because I've had a decent preparation. This time around I felt great during Kooyong. I had good preparation, feel well.
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You guys would say: Rafa doesn't want to make excuses for losses, isn't he humble?


Rafa said the exact same thing before Madrid AND Roland Garros. he even said he was fine after he lost to Soderling. Yet he is a humble guy because of it, while Federer boys are just making excuses, even Federer himself says it's not true. See the hypocricy?

I'm not saying Fed lost all those matches last year just because of Mono, not at all. All you have to agree with is that Federer is looking A LOT better again atm, and my guess is that isn't because he's getting any younger.

Injuries aren't an excuse anyway. If that is a valid excuse, than so is 'being in a slump'
 
OddJack

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
Antonio Puente said:
Can someone beat Fed? Can Nadal beat Fed? If I use history as a guide, I think the better question would be: Can Fed beat Nadal? Can Fed beat Nadal in a slam?

Fed is only where he is currently because of Rafa's injury.
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No, that's not a fair statement.

Rodge beat him him in their last meeting,

He beat Murray after losing 4 times in a row,

He beat Djoker after losing to him, in a convincing way.

No, he is doing better than last year, there is no doubt about that my friend.
 
OddJack

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
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NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
P_Agony said:
I would say the most likely players to stop Federer are either:

Nadal
Murray
Simon

I don't see Djokovic, Roddick, Davydenko, or even Tsonga doing anything to Fed in NYC.
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Roddick has been closer to beating Federer at the USO (outside of Agassi) than anyone listed.



During arguably one of Federer's most dominant years, Roddick was able to stand toe to toe with Federer in the final of the 2006 USO, where the 3rd set came down to a very few crucial points.




Actually, in terms of finals, Roddick has been the only guy along with Agassi to take a set off Federer in the past 5 years at the USO.
 
batz

batz

G.O.A.T.
OddJack said:
Easily?

You have never beat him easily, you preek.
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I think you mis-understand. Murray is not saying that he can beat Roger easily (as in 6-1 6-2 6-1), he's saying that losing to Roger at Cincy doesn't make it impossible or even more difficult to beat Roger at the USO i.e. every match is different.

Murray has never said he could beat anyone easily (as in 6-1 6-2 6-1); he's not going to start by saying it about a guy he has repeatedly called 'the greatest player ever'.
 
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NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
batz said:
I think you mis-understand. Murray is not saying that he can beat Roger easily (as in 6-1 6-2 6-1), he's saying that losing to Roger at Cincy doesn't make it impossible or even more difficult to beat Roger at the USO i.e. every match is different.

Murray has never said he could beat anyone easily (as in 6-1 6-2 6-1); he's not going to start by saying it about a guy he has repeatedly called 'the greatest player ever'.
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Actually I think it makes it more difficult for him to lose to Federer. Once you lose the mental edge to Federer, it is very difficult to beat him.
 
フェデラー

フェデラー

Hall of Fame
batz said:
I think you mis-understand. Murray is not saying that he can beat Roger easily (as in 6-1 6-2 6-1), he's saying that losing to Roger at Cincy doesn't make it impossible or even more difficult to beat Roger at the USO i.e. every match is different.

Murray has never said he could beat anyone easily (as in 6-1 6-2 6-1); he's not going to start by saying it about a guy he has repeatedly called 'the greatest player ever'.
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i think you have very bad interpreting skillz
 
In D Zone

In D Zone

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The only person (s) who can beat Federer is himself and Nadal (psyschological advantage).

The one person within the top 10 players who can lose to Federer is when they doubt themselves. There is no room for mistake even if they keep the match close - Fed has a high winning % on tie breaker.

I am sure Fed would not mind playing Nadal again in the finals. Fed still has much to prove that he won't loose againtst Nadal.
 
batz

batz

G.O.A.T.
フェデラー said:
i think you have very bad interpreting skillz
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OK. You're right. Murray went on public record saying he could beat Roger Federer easily - meaning he would straight set Roger if they met.

Yep, Murray says stuff like that about players all the time. Only last week he was on TV saying how Rafa was his beeatch, Novak wasn't fit to be on the same court and that Pete wouldn't have lucky not to have to face him as no way would Pete have 14 slams.
 
フェデラー

フェデラー

Hall of Fame
batz said:
OK. You're right. Murray went on public record saying he could beat Roger Federer easily - meaning he would straight set Roger if they met.

Yep, Murray says stuff like that about players all the time. Only last week he was on TV saying how Rafa was his beeatch, Novak wasn't fit to be on the same court and that Pete wouldn't have lucky not to have to face him as no way would Pete have 14 slams.
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Sarcasm on the internet makes you look stupid.
 
batz

batz

G.O.A.T.
フェデラー said:
Did you know Federer actually has three kids? The third one is murray, because all he is is a big baby.
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Enough it with the rapier-like wit dude - my ribs are hurting. You're right again. Murray is just a big baby - pusher too.

Imagine having a 3-6 H2H to a big baby pusher; how much would that suck.
 
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