why do pros use a low power racquet?

[movdqa]

> No I never said that. Both have something to do with power. Again and
> again you ignore what the thread is about. I am saying a retail frame
> with similar sw doesn't mean much because a pro frame with that kind
> of sw usually have higher static weight. More powerful in that sense.

Here's what you wrote.

"SW by itself isn't much because a lot of ppl like very HL
rackets. They are still swinging a heavy stick. You can have a retail
OS stick with 320 SW because they are 3pt HH. However the overall mass
is low because the OS stick is easily under 10.5OZ. A 12pt HL stick
may have a weight of 12+ oz, yet the sw is not showing it at
all. Which stick is more powerful? I am gonna bet on the heavier
stick."

> All of the top successful pro use heavy frames compare to
> retail.

Hmmm. I have a bunch of retail KPS88s. Do all of the top successful
pros use a heavier frame? Nadal? Djokovich? Federer?

The Williams sisters use relatively light frames, certainly a lot
lighter than many retail frames.

> Stick to the subject - retail tweener vs pro frames.

Threads can vary off the original topic.

> Oh yeah? how does it happen? Yes, they put WEIGHT on the head to
> increase SW. So the static weight is higher than the retail frames,
> no?

You should learn how light hairpins are.

> Did u even read what I wrote?? Did Berdych ever dink the ball like a
> 2.0? No. He has a very powerful swing.

The thing is that you can dink the ball with his frame and get quite
a good shot out of it. Watch him block back serves or just brush the
racquet up against the back of the ball when pushed wide.

> If you don't even know what it is what is the point? Obviously you are
> no PhD in physics either.

Sorry, I only have an MS degree.

> Then you are switching the topic to the players, pulling the topic
> further and further off course.

You stated that it is "just the law of physics" - I merely questioned
that.

 

[jwbarrientos]

Most pros use low powered, high weight racquets with high swingweights. The power comes from the weight.

Most recreational players use high powered, low weight racquets with low swingweights. The power comes from the stiffness.

To generate power from a low powered, heavy racquet, you need to use proper technique and a full swing.

To generate power from a high powered, light racquet, all you need to do is block the ball or use short compact jabs at the ball.

I believe the OP is referring to power that comes from the stiff construction of the frame rather than from the weight of the frame because the weight cannot generate power unless you can swing it sufficiently fast.

For this rec player, this is a great summary

 

[Bartelby]

Except you won't get much power from a high weight low sw racquet, see reviews of storm ltd. And you will get power from a low weight high sw racquet that is not too stiff but head heavy, not a perfect example but see the new blx blade 98.

For this rec player, this is a great summary

 

[fuzz nation]

Ahh, the coffee is fantastic this morning!!!

 

[TennisMaverick]

30 years ago, they came out with the idea of a smoothbore, hyperspeed rod penetrator sabot round that could punch holes in anything that can move by itself.
The Russians were innovating the "bigger is better" theory, using 120mm smoothbore cannons in their later model T-72's.
American's, as usual, like to one up the competition!
But they came out with a 100 mm cannon on the original M-1Abrams.
However, in the ever increasing search for MORE POWER, MORE RANGE, they initially tried using the 130mm smoothbore hyperV disintergrating sabot rounds. This DID NOT WORK! The loader couldn't handle the 65lbs ammo, the tank's recoiled threw off the electronics, night and thermal sights, and the crew was getting pummelled by the recoil, flame, concussion, noise....
So they went back to the 120 round, same as the RUSSIANS!...
More power doesn't always help.

Sorry, sometimes more power is better! I used to own a '74 Buick LaSabre, and I blew off many a Euro import, but the large engine and large size, meant that laying in the back seat at a drive-in meant that neither your feet nor head hit the doors, if you get what I mean!

 

[jwbarrientos]

Except you won't get much power from a high weight low sw racquet, see reviews of storm ltd. And you will get power from a low weight high sw racquet that is not too stiff but head heavy, not a perfect example but see the new blx blade 98.

:shock: what? I just understood that whole thing and now will have to keep reading?? :-?

 

[LeeD]

Drive in's .....
1967 FordFairlane with a power convertible top, 4 speed Hurst on the floor, 427 dual Holley carbs, 9" chrome custom rear wheels with Firestone tires to match, me with a left hip cast and a left arm cast...1971.

 

[movdqa]

> Except you won't get much power from a high weight low sw
> racquet, see reviews of storm ltd. And you will get power from a low
> weight high sw racquet that is not too stiff but head heavy, not a
> perfect example but see the new blx blade 98.

Back then my options were limited. I had three Revelation Tour Pros and I felt like experimenting to get an arm-friendly and solid frame. That's what I got.

 

[LeeD]

Pros get power because they have long fast grooved swings, and usually face fast incoming balls.
Amatuers get power with short stunted swings, against slow moving balls.
Different needs, different rackets.

 

[Ronaldo]

Drive in's .....
1967 FordFairlane with a power convertible top, 4 speed Hurst on the floor, 427 dual Holley carbs, 9" chrome custom rear wheels with Firestone tires to match, me with a left hip cast and a left arm cast...1971.

Your Fairlane vs '67 GTO, you call it.

 

[Sumo]

Learn to use the quote button.

 

[d-quik]

i bet that stick is amazing for volleying though

 

[courtking]

I play with the gt's, and they are stiff, but I don't find them powerful. I have to string mine in the high 40's to low 50's to get them cranked up, and I do take a good swing at the ball (or so I'm told).

jmo

Huh?? you want more power and less stiff so you increased the string tension?? it is the opposite.. !!

 

[BLX_Andy]

Your question had me going for a second but the answer is a bit obvious. These pro players already have the "power" in their strokes from their muscle they get from training.

 

[Timbo's hopeless slice]

i bet that stick is amazing for volleying though

there is no escape...

 

[movdqa]

I tossed those frames a while ago. It was an interesting experiment but ultimately inefficient.

 

[TennisCJC]

Whole premise of the thread is wrong. Pro's on AVERAGE have high swing weights. High swing weight delivers more thump to the ball generating more "power". So Federer's customized blx90 is just under 13 oz with swing weight around 355. A 355 swing weight will deliver quite a wallop.

If the question is why don't pros play with super light, super stiff stick which rec players THINK have inherit power, the answer is super light stiff rackets are uncomfortable and would not be able to handle the pace at pro level.

 

[LeeD]

I notice, guys who use big headed rackets are NEVER the biggest servers, nor do they hit the biggest groundies.
But then, I think 98-100 is normal.
Roddick hits big serves, his rackets are stiff.

 

[movdqa]

Isner has a big serve and a big forehand and I think that his Prince is a 100 sq in. Not sure about the flex.

 

[d-quik]

**smh at self** thanks timbo

 

[Bruce X.]

Agree, properly weighted and balanced players rackets can provide powerful frame for pros but it also allows control. Most pro frames are fairly flexible too. FORCE = MASS * ACCELERATION and you cannot get around this rule of nature. Force is power and pop. MASS best correlates to a rackets swingweight and ACCELERATION is your swing speed. 90% of ATP pros have SW between 350-390, and 90% WTA pros have SW between 330-375. Retail rackets are going too low on SW, and you need at least 320 to play 3.5 tennis in my not so humble opinion. I am a bit stubborn about this as very low SW might be good for beginners and children but it can not stand up to a moderately hard hit ball.

Light, stiff racket with lower swing weights make it difficult to control ball for even upper intermediate and advance players. I don't think you rad MP is a tweener.

it up to SW ~335 and keep the balance around 4 pts HL and you will have a weapon of mass destruction with a good feel due to the soft flex and solid composition.

How do increase the SW of a racquet without adding to its overall weight?

 

[tmc5005]

Andy Roddick did use a power racquet, which I am sure contributed to his shoulder problems and ultimately his retirement

 

[LeeD]

Pros use whatever they want.
Roddick used PDR.
Nadal uses APD.
Ferrer uses Exo.