Why Federer Lost Wimbledon (he can fix this)

qwanta

New User
Jeff Salzenstein sent his take on Federer's performance in the Wimbledon final against Djokovic to his email list earlier this week. I hope he doesn't mind if I post it here, I thought it was really interesting:

Interestingly, in a match that was so darn close, there were actually
some clear patterns and tactics that Federer was not executing or
utilizing that certainly would have turned the tide in his favor.

If I had the chance to coach Federer before the match, or at a
changeover during the match, this is what I would have told him.

1) "Roger, when you're balanced on your backhand you must pull the
trigger and rip the ball down the line. You can't stay in the backhand
crosscourt pattern too long because Djokovic is just so rock solid
on that side.

You can even slice the ball down the line because the objective is
to play down the line with your backhand so that you can rip
forehands down the line on the next shot."


Interestingly, Federer ripped two backhand down the lines late in the 4th
set and it helped him gain more momentum. Unfortunately, he didn't
do this enough earlier in the match, a tactic that surely would have shifted
the advantage in his favor.


2) "Roger, when you serve and the ball comes hard and deep to
your backhand side and you're on the defensive short hopping
the ball, you must not move to your left and hit forehands. When
you play defensively with your forehand while moving to your left,
you give up WAY to much court to the forehand side forcing to into
vulnerable position.
When you're stressed to your wide forehand, you aren't able to do
much with that ball and even if you make that ball Djoker, can get you
moving side to side.

So...when the ball comes hard and deep to your backhand, especially
after you serve, hit a backhand instead of a forehand. Only run around
your backhand when you know you can go on the offensive and crush
this ball."


In the match, Federer got hurt with this play multiple times because after
hitting a defensive forehand from the backhand corner, he was scrambling to
hit a running forehand on the next shot. Djokovic would take the offensive on
these points when this pattern was established. Advantage Djokovic here.


3) "RF, when you get 2nd serve returns, you must make the Djoker pay.
If he hits any 2nd serves under 90MPH, take good cut at the ball.
You're going to hold serve because you're serving so well, so you
must take more chances on Djoker's service games.

Don't get passive on your returns.

Be aggressive and flatten out the ball even if you make some errors.
This will put so much pressure on Djoker that he might take pace off
his 1st serve so that he doesn't have to hit more 2nd serves. He also
might double fault in big moments if you continually apply return of
serve pressure."

Roger didn't go for his returns enough in this match. I know Roger is
capable of playing more aggressively, but it's not his natural style of play.
In the past, he has been able to beat just about everyone by getting returns
in play and winning more points in rallies. Against Nadal and Djokovic, this
doesn't work for him that often.

A more conservative approach on his return strategy doesn't favor Fed
against a great baseliner like Djokovic who rarely misses, moves like a
gazelle, and can play offense and defense equally well.


4) "Roger, on your 2nd serve returns, you're NOT going to chip and
charge. Ok, maybe you can do it once or twice as a surprise play, but
here's what you're going to do. When you get 2nd serves on big points
you're going to move in and look for a backhand to rip.

You're to change that grip on your backhand so that you can
drive the ball hard off the 2nd serve and follow that shot to the net.
The chip and charge won't work against Djoker because he's simply
too good at hitting passing shots.

I need you to drive the ball and come in and rush Novak. Here, let me
show you some past matches on video of Sampras doing it successfully.

You can do this as well. It will work..commit to this strategy and you'll
win the match."

The one unofficial stat I kept in this match was how many points Federer
won when he attempted to chip and charge because I wanted to see how
this pattern worked for him.

Unofficially, he was 1 for 11 and that included chip returns he missed
before trying to advance to the net.

1 for 11.

Not good...

When Federer made his chip returns and advanced to the net, he often
got passed, most of the time with a short crosscourt backhand angle from
Novak.

This tactic just won't work against the best players in the world
unless you're supremely skilled at it like Pat Cash or Patrick Rafter
was back in the day. And, I'm not even convinced they could pull it off
now against today's players.

I also felt this first hand as a pro player when I tried to "chip charge."
I rarely won those points because players just hit passing shots too well
now. It simply works much better to drive the backhand and get to the net.

For years I've been saying that Federer needs to add this "drive backhand
and charge" play to his game before he retires, and he will beat Novak and
Nadal.

Think back to how Sampras used to play. Sure, Pete used the chip charge
on occasion, but he was also absolutely devastating at hitting the
backhand hard and getting in to net.

Sometimes, he would even hit could clean winners off the return and wouldn't
even have to hit a volley.

A shot like this would completely turn the tide in a match and would have
helped Roger immensely.

5) "Roger, on your running forehand, use the buggy whip finish
and go hard crosscourt or even hard down the middle. Don't go
down the line unless you have a huge opening. Whenever you hit
your runner down the line and Novak is there, he can rip the backhand
back crosscourt keeping you on string, running you side to side.

When you really crush that running forehand hard crosscourt and
through the middle, you'll get good looks at thenext ball so that you
can rip a backhand or even have time to hit another forehand from
the middle of the court."


The harsh reality is that Fed's weakest shot right now is his running
forehand and Novak and Nadal know it. In this match on Sunday,
Novak hurt Federer several times with his down the line backhand
forcing Roger to hit his forehand on the dead run.

Djokovic knows that Federer is dangerous with this forehand from the
backhand corner, but not nearly as intimating with his forehand moving
to his right.

Federer did hit some good running forehand crosscourts later in the
match, but you could tell by the mistakes he was making off of that shot
that he doesn't totally own his buggy whip forehand on the run.

Again, Fed should take a page out of Pistol Pete Sampras' book and
master the running forehand. If and when Roger focuses on improving this
shot in practice and in matches, Novak's down the line backhand wouldn't
be as effective against him anymore.

Instead, Novak would fear Roger's running forehand like past players
were scared of Sampras' lethal runner. If you followed Pete's career,
you'll remmeber that he would actually dare his opponents to go to his
running forehand so he could run over there and swat it hard
crosscourt.

All Fed needs to do is get the reps in practice until he masters this
running forehand drive like Sampras. Unfortunately, I don't think his team
is aware of the importance of him developing this shot.
 
1) "Roger, when you're balanced on your backhand you must pull the
trigger and rip the ball down the line. You can't stay in the backhand
crosscourt pattern too long because Djokovic is just so rock solid
on that side.

You can even slice the ball down the line because the objective is
to play down the line with your backhand so that you can rip
forehands down the line on the next shot."

The problem is Federer is so slow moving to his right, hitting it down the line exposes him to playing catchup to any CC forehand Djokovic would hit. If Federer gets there, he'll hit a creampuff back at best.

2) "Roger, when you serve and the ball comes hard and deep to
your backhand side and you're on the defensive short hopping
the ball, you must not move to your left and hit forehands. When
you play defensively with your forehand while moving to your left,
you give up WAY to much court to the forehand side forcing to into
vulnerable position.
When you're stressed to your wide forehand, you aren't able to do
much with that ball and even if you make that ball Djoker, can get you
moving side to side.

So...when the ball comes hard and deep to your backhand, especially
after you serve, hit a backhand instead of a forehand. Only run around
your backhand when you know you can go on the offensive and crush
this ball."

Unfortunately, that's never. Federer can't hit crushing forehands on grass anymore, ever.


3) "RF, when you get 2nd serve returns, you must make the Djoker pay.
If he hits any 2nd serves under 90MPH, take good cut at the ball.
You're going to hold serve because you're serving so well, so you
must take more chances on Djoker's service games.

Don't get passive on your returns.

Be aggressive and flatten out the ball even if you make some errors.
This will put so much pressure on Djoker that he might take pace off
his 1st serve so that he doesn't have to hit more 2nd serves. He also
might double fault in big moments if you continually apply return of
serve pressure."
Roger didn't go for his returns enough in this match. I know Roger is
capable of playing more aggressively, but it's not his natural style of play.
In the past, he has been able to beat just about everyone by getting returns
in play and winning more points in rallies. Against Nadal and Djokovic, this
doesn't work for him that often.

A more conservative approach on his return strategy doesn't favor Fed
against a great baseliner like Djokovic who rarely misses, moves like a
gazelle, and can play offense and defense equally well.

I agree if he's playing Nadal. Against Djokovic, his normal play has been good enough to win if he just has a good day.

4) "Roger, on your 2nd serve returns, you're NOT going to chip and
charge. Ok, maybe you can do it once or twice as a surprise play, but
here's what you're going to do. When you get 2nd serves on big points
you're going to move in and look for a backhand to rip.

You're to change that grip on your backhand so that you can
drive the ball hard off the 2nd serve and follow that shot to the net.
The chip and charge won't work against Djoker because he's simply
too good at hitting passing shots.

I need you to drive the ball and come in and rush Novak. Here, let me
show you some past matches on video of Sampras doing it successfully.

You can do this as well. It will work..commit to this strategy and you'll
win the match."

The one unofficial stat I kept in this match was how many points Federer
won when he attempted to chip and charge because I wanted to see how
this pattern worked for him.

Unofficially, he was 1 for 11 and that included chip returns he missed
before trying to advance to the net.

1 for 11.

Not good...

When Federer made his chip returns and advanced to the net, he often
got passed, most of the time with a short crosscourt backhand angle from
Novak.

This tactic just won't work against the best players in the world
unless you're supremely skilled at it like Pat Cash or Patrick Rafter
was back in the day. And, I'm not even convinced they could pull it off
now against today's players.

I also felt this first hand as a pro player when I tried to "chip charge."
I rarely won those points because players just hit passing shots too well
now. It simply works much better to drive the backhand and get to the net.

For years I've been saying that Federer needs to add this "drive backhand
and charge" play to his game before he retires, and he will beat Novak and
Nadal.

Think back to how Sampras used to play. Sure, Pete used the chip charge
on occasion, but he was also absolutely devastating at hitting the
backhand hard and getting in to net.

Sometimes, he would even hit could clean winners off the return and wouldn't
even have to hit a volley.

A shot like this would completely turn the tide in a match and would have
helped Roger immensely.

Since when was Sampras "devastating" in any area of the return game? Sampras looked for one break and then coasted with his serve and volley game.

I do agree that Federer needs to be more aggressive on returns, but the bottom line is he's not and has never been very good at that. He's great at blocking back big serves and mixing things up, but he's always had a weakness being aggressive on the backhand return. It's why Max Mirnyi took him to two tiebreaks in their Toronto 2004 match, despite the fact that Federer hit probably two dozen backhand passing shot winners in that match. Hit a passing shot winner, Mirnyi just goes right back to the backhand with his rather big serve and comes to net and finishes the point and ends up holding. I think one-handed backhands in general are terrible for being aggressive on the return - Federer was able to stave off Wawrinka with his serve in the QF because he could keep going to his backhand.

5) "Roger, on your running forehand, use the buggy whip finish
and go hard crosscourt or even hard down the middle. Don't go
down the line unless you have a huge opening. Whenever you hit
your runner down the line and Novak is there, he can rip the backhand
back crosscourt keeping you on string, running you side to side.

When you really crush that running forehand hard crosscourt and
through the middle, you'll get good looks at thenext ball so that you
can rip a backhand or even have time to hit another forehand from
the middle of the court."

The harsh reality is that Fed's weakest shot right now is his running
forehand and Novak and Nadal know it. In this match on Sunday,
Novak hurt Federer several times with his down the line backhand
forcing Roger to hit his forehand on the dead run.

Djokovic knows that Federer is dangerous with this forehand from the
backhand corner, but not nearly as intimating with his forehand moving
to his right.

Federer did hit some good running forehand crosscourts later in the
match, but you could tell by the mistakes he was making off of that shot
that he doesn't totally own his buggy whip forehand on the run.

Again, Fed should take a page out of Pistol Pete Sampras' book and
master the running forehand. If and when Roger focuses on improving this
shot in practice and in matches, Novak's down the line backhand wouldn't
be as effective against him anymore.

Instead, Novak would fear Roger's running forehand like past players
were scared of Sampras' lethal runner. If you followed Pete's career,
you'll remmeber that he would actually dare his opponents to go to his
running forehand so he could run over there and swat it hard
crosscourt.

All Fed needs to do is get the reps in practice until he masters this
running forehand drive like Sampras. Unfortunately, I don't think his team
is aware of the importance of him developing this shot.

Ever watch Federer in 03-06? His running FH used to be devastating. He doesn't need to "master that shot," as if he didn't have it. It's gone because he can't move all that well anymore and, for whatever reason, his power and control on that wing isn't nearly what it used to be, either.
 

andrewski

Semi-Pro
The problem is Federer is so slow moving to his right, hitting it down the line exposes him to playing catchup to any CC forehand Djokovic would hit. If Federer gets there, he'll hit a creampuff back at best.



Unfortunately, that's never. Federer can't hit crushing forehands on grass anymore, ever.




I agree if he's playing Nadal. Against Djokovic, his normal play has been good enough to win if he just has a good day.



Since when was Sampras "devastating" in any area of the return game? Sampras looked for one break and then coasted with his serve and volley game.

I do agree that Federer needs to be more aggressive on returns, but the bottom line is he's not and has never been very good at that. He's great at blocking back big serves and mixing things up, but he's always had a weakness being aggressive on the backhand return. It's why Max Mirnyi took him to two tiebreaks in their Toronto 2004 match, despite the fact that Federer hit probably two dozen backhand passing shot winners in that match. Hit a passing shot winner, Mirnyi just goes right back to the backhand with his rather big serve and comes to net and finishes the point and ends up holding. I think one-handed backhands in general are terrible for being aggressive on the return - Federer was able to stave off Wawrinka with his serve in the QF because he could keep going to his backhand.



Ever watch Federer in 03-06? His running FH used to be devastating. He doesn't need to "master that shot," as if he didn't have it. It's gone because he can't move all that well anymore and, for whatever reason, his power and control on that wing isn't nearly what it used to be, either.

Both OP and your reply were interesting even if your dissection of Fed game is a bit harsh.

I think you are right though that there is a difference between knowing what to do and execution at any level.

Roger is old and I think "old dog new tricks" saying applies even at genius level, sorry.

How realistic it is for someone who return certain way on BH side all his life to change to ripping? Not very realistic.

Many issues with Roger game stem from him having less mobility than when he was younger.

Since his mobility can not be fixed, many issues can not as well.

He does as well as he can at this stage of his career.

I always had him on 18 slams, but I think he missed on USO 2009 to get this number.
 

BobbyOne

G.O.A.T.
Jeff Salzenstein sent his take on Federer's performance in the Wimbledon final against Djokovic to his email list earlier this week. I hope he doesn't mind if I post it here, I thought it was really interesting:

qwanta, I find it a shame that the GOAT needs advice by an expert journalist in many ponts regarding tactics in order to win an important match....
 

Chico

Banned
Lol at all this. Federer lost to a better player. It is as simple as that. Nothing he could do at this point in his career. Sorry to break it to you , but Djokovic is just better now.
 

OTMPut

Hall of Fame
qwanta, I find it a shame that the GOAT needs advice by an expert journalist in many ponts regarding tactics in order to win an important match....

It happens. Sometimes arrogance can blind people and the obvious could be missed.

Otherwise, there is no need for coaches for the Rafas, Rogers and Novaks of the world.

What? Lendl just told Murray to be aggressive on his forehand and he won Wimbledon?!
 

HunterST

Hall of Fame
Lol at all this. Federer lost to a better player. It is as simple as that. Nothing he could do at this point in his career. Sorry to break it to you , but Djokovic is just better now.

That match was incredibly close. Djokovic won 6 more points than Roger. It's entirely feasible than one of these strategies could have gotten him a few more points and a W.
 

LanceStern

Professional
Federer just got through beating Djokovic twice this year. It's not about Djokovic being an entirely better player it's who is playing better that day.

Djokovic has beaten him 3 times this year now? Or twice?
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
He can fix this ? Has anyone found a magic youth potion that will help Fed turn the clock back ? Because his only problem seems to be his age and the speed , movement and power he has lost from his prime days.
 

Noelan

Legend
Roger beat Novak twice this year,in Dubai SF and in MC SF where Djoko was clearly injured in that match.As For W, Novak was better player whole match ,he should won in 3 or 4 sets.
 
Seems like some people has a hard time making up their mind whether Federer is too old, or too stubborn concerning changing his tactics. Anyway, it was a close match, and Federer has beaten Djokovic this year, so its interesting. Overall well done by Federer this Wimbledon.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
His biggest let down was the ground game which made it hard for him on returns and holding serve when he didn't get that first ball in - notice how he gets pushed harder in service games whereas novak had them pretty comfy. It was clear in a rally novak got the upper hand nearly all the time unless roger changed the pattern or tempo by either coming in or luring novak in with a short ball.
 

Colin

Professional
Lol at all this. Federer lost to a better player. It is as simple as that. Nothing he could do at this point in his career. Sorry to break it to you , but Djokovic is just better now.

I think I'd use the word younger, not better. It explains it all.
 

qwanta

New User
That match was incredibly close. Djokovic won 6 more points than Roger. It's entirely feasible than one of these strategies could have gotten him a few more points and a W.

I agree. I'd especially like Federer to do more on Djokovic's 2nd serve and try to drive the ball back hard instead of slicing (point 3 above). When Djokovic goes for a safe 2nd serve it's frustrating to see Fed tap it back to the middle of the court and have to play defense when he could have been in an attacking - or at least neutral - position.
 
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