"Why I'm going back to Indian Wells"- By Venus Williams

MichaelNadal

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Somewhat lengthy so click the article. Here's a piece:

""I remember the pain of my knee injury, and how badly I wanted to play in the semis against Serena - before finally accepting that I wouldn't be able to," Venus wrote. "I remember the accusations toward me and my sister and our father. I remember the crowd's reaction, as I walked to my seat, during Serena's match in the final. And I remember how I couldn't understand why thousands of people would be acting this way - to a 19-year-old and a 20-year-old, trying their best."

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/venus-williams-indian-wells-tennis/
 
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Always liked Venus, don't know how much she has got left in her though.
 
Thanks for posting. Love Venus. So intelligent, articulate, and well spoken, and extremely smart and insightful. Continuing to play for as long as she has, with all the things she has had to deal with. Just incredible. A special individual and player.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
I read the article before I saw the thread: articulate, emotive and classy.
I did think that Althea Gibson (especially ) and Garrison, Rubin and McNeil deserved a mention. Venus may have been the first to receive exceptional publicity (her father saw to that, coupled with her talent) but she wasn't the first to pave the way historically.
Nice article nonetheless, but not accurate in terms of black players and tennis history.
 

bigserving

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A very good expression of a part who Venus' is. Also an expression about her perception of some things that have happened in the past. It would be great if more tennis players had the capacity to express themselves.
 

beltsman

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Whatever, it was a lie that they made up because they were getting booed after people realized that their dad was picking and choosing winners between them in H2H matchups. It was a bogus lie and they kept it running all these years.
 

every7

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Really the main thing to come out of this article is the powerful description of the amazing sibling bond shared by Venus and Serena. Anyone with a close family will be stirred emotionally by the way sibling relationships are expressed here.

I must admit though, for all the mentioning of strength and growth and maturity in this piece, I still think of Venus and Serena very much as young girls who have never really properly grown up. Very little is ever mentioned of adult relationships they have had beyond their immediate family and I often think of them as just being shacked up together in a big mansion in Florida with all their pets and toys and tennis gear :)

Serena returning to Indian Wells was a remarkable personal decision to make, though, and Venus returning is also huge. I think it is a unique example of forgiveness. Although I don't like the subtle way Nelson Mandela is brought up. Any (even light) comparison between Serena's decision and what motivated it and the life of an amazing warrior and eventual ambassador of peace like Mandela is utterly inappropriate.

S&V are amazing tennis players but I don't think of them as figures of socio-political change at all. When I think of tennis greats who used their profile to create social change the measuring stick is pretty high - names like Arthur Ashe, Billy Jean King. These people worked their asses off to make life better for others and influence policy direction and the world in general.

One thing that is missing in the article is Venus discussing in full detail the amount of raw anger that (rightly) she and Serena both felt. This may have been left out intentionally to make the story less negative and highlight the nobility of forgiveness but I feel like it would have added an extra layer of depth and honesty. Anger was definitely present for a long period of time and was one of the main motivating factors that kept them from returning for many years.
 
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VexlanderPrime

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Whatever, it was a lie that they made up because they were getting booed after people realized that their dad was picking and choosing winners between them in H2H matchups. It was a bogus lie and they kept it running all these years.
Ya know, outside this subforum I've seen you make some good posts. Whet is it about gen pro that turns you from Bruce Banner into Rage Mode Hulk?
 

MichaelNadal

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Whatever, it was a lie that they made up because they were getting booed after people realized that their dad was picking and choosing winners between them in H2H matchups. It was a bogus lie and they kept it running all these years.

This line of thinking is sooooooooo ridiculous. Venus and Serena were already champions at that point who didn't need anyone to pick and choose anything. Anyone with a shred of personal desire or ambition wouldn't go along with something like that.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Really the main thing to come out of this article is the powerful description of the amazing sibling bond shared by Venus and Serena. Anyone with a close family will be stirred emotionally by the way sibling relationships are expressed here.

I must admit though, for all the mentioning of strength and growth and maturity in this piece, I still think of Venus and Serena very much as young girls who have never really properly grown up. Very little is ever mentioned of adult relationships they have had beyond their immediate family and I often think of them as just being shacked up together in a big mansion in Florida with all their pets and toys and tennis gear :)

Serena returning to Indian Wells was a remarkable personal decision to make, though, and Venus returning is also huge. I think it is a unique example of forgiveness. Although I don't like the subtle way Nelson Mandela is brought up. Any (even light) comparison between Serena's decision and what motivated it and the life of an amazing warrior and eventual ambassador of peace like Mandela is utterly inappropriate.

S&V are amazing tennis players but I don't think of them as figures of socio-political change at all. When I think of tennis greats who used their profile to create social change the measuring stick is pretty high - names like Arthur Ashe, Billy Jean King. These people worked their asses off to make life better for others and influence policy direction and the world in general.

One thing that is missing in the article is Venus discussing in full detail the amount of raw anger that (rightly) she and Serena both felt. This may have been left out intentionally to make the story less negative and highlight the nobility of forgiveness but I feel like it would have added an extra layer of depth and honesty. Anger was definitely present for a long period of time and was one of the main motivating factors that kept them from returning for many years.
This is a great, intelligent, balanced post. Who are you!
I must admit, so wrong ( ;) )but your imagery of them rattling around in their Florida mansion minded me of this film:


( @Vanhool , @Mr.Lob - all roads, major or minor, lead to Joan Crawford :) )
 
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MLRoy

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This is the bravest thing she's done since she asked Wimbledon for a raise. Absolutely amazing.
 

every7

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This is a great, intelligent, balanced post. Who are you!
I must admit, so wrong ( ;) )but your imagery of them rattling around in their Florida mansion minded me of this film:


( @Vanhool , @Mr.Lob - all roads, major or minor, lead to Joan Crawford :) )

I'm ashamed to admit I didn't know of that movie until I heard Dana Gould bring it up on a podcast. Very odd film......
 

Vanhool

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This is a great, intelligent, balanced post. Who are you!
I must admit, so wrong ( ;) )but your imagery of them rattling around in their Florida mansion minded me of this film:


( @Vanhool , @Mr.Lob - all roads, major or minor, lead to Joan Crawford :) )
#ILoveIt!!!

I loved with movie when I was a kid. They used to show it on tv all the time. I showed it to my daughter when she was a kid and she loved it too. Classic.
 
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Chadillac

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She was fine on monday, quickest recovery ever.

People dont realize what they actually did, by retiring on the court venus recieved a semi final purse and the fans werent given a refund on their ticket. If she would of retired in the locker room she would of gotten a qtr purse and fans would of gotten a ticket refund. They are why the rule was changed
 

PDJ

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She was fine on monday, quickest recovery ever.

People dont realize what they actually did, by retiring on the court venus recieved a semi final purse and the fans werent given a refund on their ticket. If she would of retired in the locker room she would of gotten a qtr purse and fans would of gotten a ticket refund. They are why the rule was changed
I never knew that. But surely you would have to be prepared to play if you walk on court in your kit with rackets?
Re Venus/Indian Wells - I just assumed she retired beforehand?
 

PMChambers

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She was fine on monday, quickest recovery ever.

People dont realize what they actually did, by retiring on the court venus recieved a semi final purse and the fans werent given a refund on their ticket. If she would of retired in the locker room she would of gotten a qtr purse and fans would of gotten a ticket refund. They are why the rule was changed

Sorry, most people and media did understand what they did, they gamed the ranking and game under their fathers tutelage. They where boo'ed and experienced negative feelimngs because they had a reputation as gaming the WTA. Sorry but they had a reputation for this sort of gamesmanship in their early years. Unfortunately they got away with it for a long time because the WTA thought they where needed to further their monetary benefits.
 

cknobman

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I just hate and disagree with the entire "race" game that was played there.

They made it out that the only reason they were booed is because they were African American and the crows was just a bunch of racist white people.

I would have had more understanding and sympathy for them if it had not gone that direction.
 

Vanhool

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Maybe her heart was never really in it? Possibly best to have had the courage of her previous convictions?
She had that adorable kid-like smile when she walked out (to J5 "I Want You Back"). I don't think she stopped smiling for 5 minutes. It seemed like a very healing experience, and I'm glad she came back. She is running out of years to be able to do that.
 

sureshs

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They made it out that the only reason they were booed is because they were African American and the crows was just a bunch of racist white people.
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Of course that kind of thing could never have happened and certainly cannot happen today, because the crowd has moved on from tennis to attending the rally of a certain guy in whose family the father, son and grandson have been doing this since the 1920s.

No it just cannot happen.

People who forget history are doomed to repeat it and certainly deserve it too.

LOL.
 

PDJ

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She had that adorable kid-like smile when she walked out (to J5 "I Want You Back"). I don't think she stopped smiling for 5 minutes. It seemed like a very healing experience, and I'm glad she came back. She is running out of years to be able to do that.
That does sound lovely. I'll YouTube it :)
 
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