Why is there a bias towards so called clay courters?

Mr Topspin

Semi-Pro
It seems to me anytime a so called 'clay court' player turns up on the tennis radar ala Nadal, Gaudio and JCF everyone starts ripping them apart and questions the limiting style of their game. Usually detractors say they play defensive games, with tons of topspin and attempt to outlast their opponent. This is followed by comments of: 'they play boring tennis', 'too mundane', 'its so defensive' and 'not my cup of tea'. Well i say why? why do the majority of posters especially on the TW site give these players who are brought up on clay such a hard time. The way i look at it apart from a handful of players that play all court tennis, the majority of players are all one surface players anyway.

You have your grasscourt players (although they are becoming extinct), you have fast court players, you have indoor carpet players and you have clay court players. What's the difference? Think about it if ur Andy Roddick you can only really effectively play on fast courts. Why? cos that's what u learnt and thus fits ur game the best, the same for Sampras, Agassi etc. Conversely Nadal, JCF, Gaudio were brought up on slow clay courts and thus they excel on those in the same way. How many top 10 players are excelling on both fast and slow? Answer only Federer has that ability although Nadal is becoming a fast learner. Fed has won 3 or 4 masters on the red stuff. How many red dirt titles has Roddick won on 'REAL' clay not that carpet crap in the US. How many clay titles does Safin have? What about Hewitt? or Henman?

I think you see my point, but no one says these guys are just fast court players and cant play on clay. No one says these guys get knocked out on average in the 1st or 2nd round of RG on a regular basis. Just look at Roddick or Sampras RG record save for one year in 1996 its woeful for a 6 yr no 1. By comparison no one says that these so called clay court players can and do achieve far more success on an 'Alien' fast court. Take for example, JCF, he has reached US open final and won on indoor hard. Moya has been to a AO final and won and contested a few hard court finals. Same goes for Canas and Kuerten. Gaudio has reached a few quarter finals on hard and so have so may other so called clay courters. I thinks its fair to say that the (clay court players) have performed far better on fast courts than their mainly european and north american counterparts have done on their slower surfaces. So cut them slack and recognise that in many ways the clay court guys arefar better players both from a tactical standpoint and a technical one.
 

Babblelot

Professional
I'll take a stab at it.

It's going to turn the ATP into a "WTA" computer ranking deal. It creates two curcuits that rarely meet.

Tomas Muster played 893 singles matches.
12 v. Courier
11 v. Sampras
10 v. Edberg
9 v. Agassi
3 v. Becker

comparing common opponents to Agassi
34 v. Sampras
14 v. Becker
12 v. Courier
9 v. Edberg
9 v. Muster

That was the only one I looked at, but I'd bet a dollar that the others played one another more times than Muster played each.
 
Mr Topspin said:
So cut them slack and recognise that in many ways the clay court guys arefar better players both from a tactical standpoint and a technical one.

I agree with your post in that clay courters do not get the respect that they deserve. this is probably due to the fact that most posters here and most TV shows in the US are catering to an American audience, appologies to non-US folks on this board.

Americans, most of us, do not get to play on clay so we don't understand it.

However, your bias is also evident in your last statement that quoted above. I do not believe that Clay court specialists are not overall better tactically or technically. If that is true, then what you are proposing is the reverse. Anyone who isn't a clay courter should be dissed because they are overall inferior tactically and technically.

Let's stop the biased going both ways.

And, I have played on clay. I S/V on hardcourts but stay back on clay and hit heavy topsin and slice.
 

Babblelot

Professional
Two time Roland Garros winner Sergi Bruguera played 718 career matches; v. common opponents:
v. Muster 15
v. Agassi 9
v. Edberg 9
v. Courier 7
v. Sampras 5
v. Becker 4
 

araghava

Rookie
In all sports there has been a tug of war between what's effective and what exciting. In general an uptempo style of play is what spectators like to watch. Remeber that they're ultimately financing the sport.

In basketball this translates to a fast break style. In americal football this translates to a passing game vs running game. In soccer, the brazilian style comes to mind.

In tennis i think most spectators like to watch an attacking game played inside the baseline. This is what i like to watch. I understand this is not the most effective way to play on clay. A grinding defensive style of play is generally more effective on clay. Hence most clay courters play this style. This doesn't mean they're not great tennis players. Just not very exciting to watch.

I think the bias is not about their excellence but their attractiveness.
 

Babblelot

Professional
Here's our prototypical "claycourt specialist." Two time RG finalist Alberto Berasategui. Berasateui played 477 career matches. v. common opponents:
v. Bruguera 7
v. Muster 5
v. Agassi 5
v. Edberg 3
v. Courier 2
v. Becker 1
v. Sampras 0
 

GOOOOOGA

Rookie
it depends on who you are

if you aren't much of a tennis player (you don't play too often, if at all), then you'll probably agree with the "biasers" who say that clay court tennis is boring

but if you really enjoy the game and how difficult of a sport it is, you should realize that those "boring", long rallies on clay are a testament to just how good pros are

im not saying i love clay- i love hard courts. i completely agree with whoever said that players grow up on a particular surface and their style of play is molded around that surface.
 

Kevin Patrick

Hall of Fame
The reason is simple. Only one out of the 4 events that really matter(the slams) is on clay. It's very possible for a player to play only on clay & have a great career. There have been many Roland Garros champs/contenders who did virtually nothing on the 3 other surfaces(carpet/grass/hardcourt).
It's a bit unfair, since the 3 other slams can be called fast. But that's the way it is, a fast court player can find tennis immortality 3 times a year, but a claycourter only once. And once is not enough to gain respect outside of hardcore tennis fans.

But modern claycourters are proving that this stereotype is unwarranted. Guga/Ferrero/Nadal are far better on non clay surfaces than Muster/Bruguera/Berasategui were. But you still have a Gaudio/Puerta who hasn't done much on non-clay surfaces throughout his career.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
i think the OP mean to say that people have a bias aganst claycourters and not for them if i understand this thread correctly..pls correct me if i am wrong. if that is the case, i think people who know more about the game (not less) appreciate tennis in which all the shots are played (aka all courters and serve/volleyers) vs tennis where only some of the shots are played (aka baseliners/claycourters)..i think that's a legit bias.
 

araghava

Rookie
GOOOOOGA said:
it depends on who you are

if you aren't much of a tennis player (you don't play too often, if at all), then you'll probably agree with the "biasers" who say that clay court tennis is boring

but if you really enjoy the game and how difficult of a sport it is, you should realize that those "boring", long rallies on clay are a testament to just how good pros are

im not saying i love clay- i love hard courts. i completely agree with whoever said that players grow up on a particular surface and their style of play is molded around that surface.

I agree with you. I've been a tennis fan for 25 years and i do appreciate good tennis where ever its played. However tennis needs to attract the sports fan. It needs to think about how to get the person who normally watches soccer or basketball or golf to tune into a tennis match. I just don't think the average clay court match will do this.
 

Aykhan Mammadov

Hall of Fame
I don't see anything surprising in what you told. And I don't agree with you.

This happens not because peoples like more or less clay or grass. Answer is that clay court game demands from a player more endurance than phantasy, but spectators don't like monotonous game, they want tennis, diversity of game, not competition of physical endurance and condition. Watch say Bruguera and you will understand.

Pure S&V-s also is not interesting to watch. Most interesting style is the most diversified as of Federer or Coria.

By the way this diversity, talent, what we call tennis itself explains why there are LESS Wimby champions who didn't win Roland Garos than RG champions who didn't win Wimbledon. See my post number 20 in: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=61541&page=2&pp=15
 

Dilettante

Hall of Fame
araghava said:
In all sports there has been a tug of war between what's effective and what exciting. In general an uptempo style of play is what spectators like to watch. Remeber that they're ultimately financing the sport.

In basketball this translates to a fast break style. In americal football this translates to a passing game vs running game. In soccer, the brazilian style comes to mind.

In tennis i think most spectators like to watch an attacking game played inside the baseline. This is what i like to watch. I understand this is not the most effective way to play on clay. A grinding defensive style of play is generally more effective on clay. Hence most clay courters play this style. This doesn't mean they're not great tennis players. Just not very exciting to watch.

I think the bias is not about their excellence but their attractiveness.


I agree. It happens in most sports: attack game Vs. defense game, technical game Vs. Physical game, flashy game Vs. tactical game. It happens even in chess (you should see some chess boards when they're discussing this matter... they seem to want to kill each other).

For me, both ways of playing are legitimate and I can ejoy both of them. Many claycourters are boring, but pure S&V can be very boring too. Not much time ago, many people complained about S&V game, saying too that "it's not tennis". You'll always find someone who complains.

I don't want to be always watching a Federer Vs another Federer. I like Federer Vs Nadal, Borg Vs McEnroe, just as I like "Bobby" Fischer Vs. Petrossian in chess, or Brasil Vs Germany in soccer.

That happens in almost every single sport. But we have to face it: there are always different legitimate ways to achieve a victory, and, if you really like a sport, you should try to understand how those different ways work.

Federer is a fast courter, he's exciting. But God knows that Nadal and Ferrero are claycourters and they're exciting to watch too. And the most exciting thing is watching Nadal defeat Federer on clay, and Federer defeat Nadal on fast courts.
 

!Tym

Hall of Fame
The reason Muster was so angry and ecstatic at the same time when Bruguera and he made the finals of the 97 Lipton was not just because he owned Bruguera, it was because in his own words it proved that claycourters COULD play on hard courts.

Who did Bruguera and Muster beat to get to the finals? Muster thumped Courier and Ivanisivic. Bruguera straight setted Chang, OBLITERATED Medvedev (won only three points in the first set and was up 6-0, 5-0 before letting him win a few games because he was his friend...as PMac said, "Bruguera played unbelievable that match!"), and played an unbelievable match against Sampras ("Bruguera called his bluff" after Samrpas tried to rais his level in the third, Bruguera raised his too and still won).

As for Bruguera winning by way of endurance? Um, how does he stop running for any balls entirely after a single set in the finals of "the fifth grand slam" like the Litpon if his endurance was so great? How does he get dog tired after one set against Courier at the French? How does he tank the third set against Berasategui at the French to save energy for the third if his endurance is so great?

If Bruguera had no ability to play on faster stuff how does he get Becker to say after the semifinals of the 94 year ending championships on his home turf on a lightning fast court that he was "lucky" to have won against Bruguera, that he should have lost in straight sets had Bruguera not missed an "easy" passing shot he "normally" would make? How was it that Bruguera was one of the four hottest indoor players with Becker, Sampras, and Agassi at the end of 94? How was it that the year before, when Korda beat Sampras and Stich in epic matches to win the lightning fast indoor Grand Slam Cup, he barely escaped Bruguera in a super tight three setter in the quarters? How is that Bruguera can play so well for a set indoors that he comes essentially within two points of taking a 6-love set from Sampras at the 93 year ending championships, is playing so well that Sampras actually shakes his head in disbelief then turns around and bows down to him? Sampras barely won that match by a single break in the third, but even that was more because Bruguera played a few loose points and not because Sampras was just clearly overmatching Bruguera.

Bruguera COULD play on faster surfaces, but people seem to forget that prior to 93 he had a serious back condition and that after 94, he was injury riddled for pretty much the rest of his career. The guy dropped to 86 in the world in 96...unless of course you really think that was his "true" level of play.

I don't get why injuries are brought up to explain away Krajicek and Rios' demise, yet not so with Bruguera? The guy was 23 when he played so great at the end of the 94 indoor season. He specifically said he was now going to focus on faster surfaces in the off season as a result. What he couldn't improve too? Sure he could, but what happened? He tore two ligaments in his ankle by slipping on a tennis ball at the end of practice. After that, it was pretty much all downhill from there.

I don't know why Bruguera and Muster are written off as being in the same class as Berasategui on faster surfaces when to my mind it's not a fair comparison. Muster was in the finals of the Lipton as early as 89. He got injured in a BIG way. It took him years and years of grueling physical training for him to reach the top again. He also like Bruguera had a relatively short peak. But Bruguera and Muster did not have the same conditions as others, literally. They actually had LEGITIMATE excuses for having such short peaks.

When Guga and Corretja won the year ending championships, the courts had very visbly been slowed down to play more like slow hard courts. The early to mid 90s indoor courts were an entirely different animal, back then it was said unless you had a big serve or took the ball on the rise like Agassi you had NO chance whatsoever. I mean what happened to Berasategui when he tried the fast indoor stuff at the year ending championships in 94? For one, Bruguera obliterated him...then the rest of the field did too. Bruguera was not in the same class as Berasategui. Would Berastagui ever have been able to serve and volley his way to a victory over Rafter at Wimbledon as Bruguera did in 94? A British court side reporter later wrote that he was "shocked" that Bruguera could volley so well, "that it wasn't just easy volleys either," that some of his volleys were "Edberg like." Still, don't believe Bruguera doesn't have any touch or feel? Go watch his match last year with Courier in the finals of the Delta Tour of Champions from Paris. Bruguera toyed with Courier the whole match, he never needed to try and bash the ball. Instead he literally played like Santoro, playing cat and mouse tennis relying on drop shots, angles, and drop volleys. Obviously, on the main tour, Bruguera didn't play this way, because he was more serious then; but this still does not mean he did not have soft hands.

As far as Muster, he in my opinion would have won the 1997 Australian Open had he not faced Sampras, but then again you can say that about a lot of players INCLDUING Moya, who apparently is part of the new generation of clay courters that can play on hard courts, now couldn't you? Muster beat Sampras on his way to winning the Stutgart indoor masters during his peak.

I don't get why Muster and Bruguera are put in the same class as Berasategui. They are not. Berasategui was a good player, but never a great player. Bruguera and Muster if they were HEALTHY and playing their best, I honestly feel they would be competitive with any so-called hard court or fast court player regardless of the surface. I cannot say the same about Berasategui, because his backhand was too weak.

Would Ferrero or for that matter even Guga have been able to take a set from Sampras 6-1 indoors back when the courts actually played like indoor courts? How is that not being able to play on faster stuff?

Why is that when injuries befall guys like Guga and Ferrero, there is now an understanding and acknowledgement that injuries can and DO turn careers around, do send careers down the toilet?

Why did Bruguera retire? Because he said he couldn't and hadn't been able to train like he needed to for many years because of all the injury problems he had. Bruguera's problems started when he was just 23, and even before 93 you have to realize that he 1) only played on hardcourts ONE time in his entire life prior to turning 18, and 2) he was dealing with a serious back condition very similar to the one that derailed Moya in the late 90s.

I don't think it's a fair comparison to right Bruguera off on his ability to play faster stuff when he was not playing under the same circumstances as others. Why is that there is understanding that Guga plays in pain and that reason he has been underperforming the past few years is because of that? Why not the same consideration for Muster who had his knee basically blown up by a drunk motorcyclist?

Muster had every right to feel so much "vindication" that he and Bruguera made the finals of the 97 Lipton over all the so-called hard-court players. What you think Muster wasn't aware that Bruguera had his share of problems too? That a HEALTHY Bruguera was not actually the #86 player in the world as he was at the end of 96? Call me biased, but I think he was.

And the thing is, I was not even a Muster fan, and I wasn't even a Bruguera fan until his play at the 97 Lipton gave me a glimpse of just how well he could play.

I actually grew up idolizing the games of Stich, Pioline, Forget, and Medvedev in the early to mid 90s, you know the so-called "classical" technique players. The thing is, I later realized after I became obsessed with Bruguera, just how much bias there was against claycourters in the states and it really bothered me. Why? Because as someone who has played both styles, the "classic" way and the clay court western grip way, I do NOT see any style as being more difficult than the other, just different...btw, I can "hang" with low-level satellite/ATP players if that means anything. To me, they're both worthy of EQUAL respect, and the bias and stereotypes just bother me to no end.

And the thing is, I still prefer to watch the "classical" styles with the excpetion of Moya, Gonzales, Coria, and Robredo; but it still doesn't mean I won't speak up when I feel players are being unfairly stereotyped without full consideration of the circumstances they were under. It's not fair to assume that everyone's dealt the same deck of cards in the case of Muster and Bruguera, because they weren't. Injuries for Bruguera and THE injury to end all injuries for Muster. "Sweet justice" Muster called it when he avenged his demons at the 97 Lipton.

To me, when Muster and Bruguera were at their best, which wasn't as prolonged as with others for the reasons mentioned above, they were every bit as dangerous on the fast stuff as the so-called "modern" clay courters.

They were no Berasategui.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Babblelot said:
Two time Roland Garros winner Sergi Bruguera played 718 career matches; v. common opponents:
v. Muster 15
v. Agassi 9
v. Edberg 9
v. Courier 7
v. Sampras 5
v. Becker 4

WTF are you trying to say?
 

Mr Topspin

Semi-Pro
!Tym said:
Muster had every right to feel so much "vindication" that he and Bruguera made the finals of the 97 Lipton over all the so-called hard-court players. What you think Muster wasn't aware that Bruguera had his share of problems too? That a HEALTHY Bruguera was not actually the #86 player in the world as he was at the end of 96? Call me biased, but I think he was.

And the thing is, I was not even a Muster fan, and I wasn't even a Bruguera fan until his play at the 97 Lipton gave me a glimpse of just how well he could play.

I actually grew up idolizing the games of Stich, Pioline, Forget, and Medvedev in the early to mid 90s, you know the so-called "classical" technique players. The thing is, I later realized after I became obsessed with Bruguera, just how much bias there was against claycourters in the states and it really bothered me. Why? Because as someone who has played both styles, the "classic" way and the clay court western grip way, I do NOT see any style as being more difficult than the other, just different...btw, I can "hang" with low-level satellite/ATP players if that means anything. To me, they're both worthy of EQUAL respect, and the bias and stereotypes just bother me to no end.

And the thing is, I still prefer to watch the "classical" styles with the excpetion of Moya, Gonzales, Coria, and Robredo; but it still doesn't mean I won't speak up when I feel players are being unfairly stereotyped without full consideration of the circumstances they were under. It's not fair to assume that everyone's dealt the same deck of cards in the case of Muster and Bruguera, because they weren't. Injuries for Bruguera and THE injury to end all injuries for Muster. "Sweet justice" Muster called it when he avenged his demons at the 97 Lipton.

To me, when Muster and Bruguera were at their best, which wasn't as prolonged as with others for the reasons mentioned above, they were every bit as dangerous on the fast stuff as the so-called "modern" clay courters.

They were no Berasategui.


Great points!

I agree completely and appreciated that walk down memory lane. your post as well as others serve to confirm the steretype that exhists about clay court players. As others have said tennis is about interpretation. Some interpret tennis by playing cat and mouse and generating spins and angles and using the full length of the court. Others may try to shorten points and crowd the net and some may patrol the baseline and guard it with their lives blasting shots from both sides. I hear people saying clay court tennis is boring. well what can i say. If those people who say that watching a 60 shot rally that includes FH,BH, dropshots, lobs, topspin shots and flat shots ot to mention hundreds of other permutations as boring, then maybe watching IVo Karlovic vs Andy Roddick this year really was a fine showcase of all court tennis? Maybe when Courier was dominating tennis and journalists were asking for more rallies and less power they were wrong not to appreciate the 3 or 4 shot tennis that was emerging into the game. Now i'm not saying that the mindless basebashing that is by far the cornerstone of both the ATP and WTA is boring. I appreciate all tennis in all its guises - I just cand stand the negative stereotyping of clay court players or slow court players by traditionally fast court players/supporters when there is clearly only subjective reasons for disliking that particular brand of tennis. Its all tennis which ever type you like - just embrace the diversity of the game.
 

urban

Legend
It's interesting that some time ago clay courters were seen as the real artists of the game. Men like Pietrangeli, Santana or Nastase were described by tennis writers like Rex Bellamy in terms of Van Gogh or Matisse. They offered a subtle, higly interesting mix of spins and dinks, stops and lobs and were the European answer to the more robotic serve-and- volley style of most of the Americans or Aussies. But they were not one-court specialists. Besides the artists there were ever real retrievers like Barazutti, Dibbs or Solomon. I think, the specialization started with the new rackets in the mid 80s. The best clay courters until then - Borg,Lendl, Wilander - were able to win on all surfaces. In the 90s there was indeed a trend to two separated circuits on clay and fast courts. There were exceptions - like Tym named. But the clay court game has changed with the new equipment, going more in the direction of a athletic pounding of the ball.
 

Camilio Pascual

Hall of Fame
Mr Topspin said:
How many red dirt titles has Roddick won on 'REAL' clay not that carpet crap in the US.

Perhaps the reason is the same as your own very strong bias, insecurity.
This board is US dominated, there aren't many clay courts here, people generally choose to not like the unfamilar and fear it. Very much like your sillly and misinformed comment about Har-Tru.
From one of the Americans who loves clay, green or red!
 

joe sch

Legend
It use to be that todays baseline blasting style was mostly typical of the "clay court players" or dirt ballers. Since this is now the prevalent style, ofcourse the most consistent baseline blasters are the guys that will be dominating all tennis. This has even been more the case at Wimbledon where the grass has been optimized to be faster, produce higher and more consistent bounces. Thus most players can now be classified as dirt ballers by style except that for the players, like the americans, who are not really comfortable sliding on dirt, they will not be factors in most clay court tournaments. Fortunately Federer is showing that an allcourt game is still a very successful style so it will hopefully produce another era of allcourters. Now we just need another Becker or Edgerg ...
 

Mr Topspin

Semi-Pro
Camilio Pascual said:
Perhaps the reason is the same as your own very strong bias, insecurity.
This board is US dominated, there aren't many clay courts here, people generally choose to not like the unfamilar and fear it. Very much like your sillly and misinformed comment about Har-Tru.
From one of the Americans who loves clay, green or red!

There is no bias from me on this subject. I have played on the same clay court that appears at the Houston tournament and it is compared to an average european clay;total and complete crap. I dont think anyone who has played on it would disagree with that assertion. The point i was making was that no one questions the fast court players preference of court so why question clay courters.
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
Kevin Patrick said:
The reason is simple. Only one out of the 4 events that really matter(the slams) is on clay. It's very possible for a player to play only on clay & have a great career. There have been many Roland Garros champs/contenders who did virtually nothing on the 3 other surfaces(carpet/grass/hardcourt).
It's a bit unfair, since the 3 other slams can be called fast. But that's the way it is, a fast court player can find tennis immortality 3 times a year, but a claycourter only once. And once is not enough to gain respect outside of hardcore tennis fans.

But modern claycourters are proving that this stereotype is unwarranted. Guga/Ferrero/Nadal are far better on non clay surfaces than Muster/Bruguera/Berasategui were. But you still have a Gaudio/Puerta who hasn't done much on non-clay surfaces throughout his career.

For example, Coria won tournaments in three different surfaces last year: Hard, carpet and Clay.
 

Babblelot

Professional
Mr Topspin said:
why do the majority of posters especially on the TW site give these players who are brought up on clay such a hard time?
Yes, my posts are relevant. I'm Addressing this question.

Sorry you're not bright enough to follow along, but don't blame me.
 

Tim Tennis

Professional
Tym, Damn I feel like I just read the history of clay and hard court tennis. Great information, very interesting. I have to say I enjoy clay court tennis and Muster was always one of my favorites. You have to love the way he competed and his sportsmanship.
 

callitout

Professional
There are 2 things which stand out when you watch pro tennis on hardcourt live which are a bit less apparent than when you watch on TV. One is a bit obvious: How crucial the serve is...Down 15-40 youll often see a good player hit 3 service winners or dominant serves and completely change the momentum. The second is how incredible their court coverage is: ive seen Gaudio, Robredo, Nadal a bunch of so called clay courters and they just cover so much court its almost impossible to hit winners against them...unless you can serve them off the court.

So this is the tension in modern tennis one type of player covers court unbelievably well and the other serves amazingly. when you combine the two you get federer.

Watching live I prefer longer rallies because it really shows what athletes these guys are sprinting from side to side and still taking full cuts at the ball. I far prefer that to watching Rusedski hit a really fast serve and having the point be over. But obviously, lots of slams are won by guys who hit really hard serves so theres no arguing with the success of that...it just doesnt display the same athletecism of as great court coverage.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with having mainly US posters or anything like that. I think it has more to do with people wanting variety.

I'm fairly certain if everyone was a S&V player with points ending in 1 or 2 shots after the serve, we would consider this boring and we would yearn for more baseline bashers.

Down here in Australia we do not get the FO, I for one would love to see some clay court matches mainly because I don't get the chance to see any.
 
L

laurie

Guest
Until I went to Roland Garros in 2004 and 2005, I didn't really think that much of clay court tennis. I used to watch it on TV of course.

But since then I've changed my opinion entirely. And I put it down to this:
For some reason clay court tennis is much better to watch live than it is on television. Maybe its the colour of the dirt. Live it looks wonderful but on TV it looks a little strange. Also whats a bit strange is that clay court tennis also looks a bit slower on TV than it looks live.

Grass court, hardcourt and indoor tennis seems to be better suited to television but I really love clay tennis now and plan to go to Roland Garros every year.
 
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