Why is this Wimbledon so boring ?

[Chico]

My comment was totally independent of Murray or Djoker. It was just sad to see a player playing at that level just waste a golden opportunity. Who knows if he had made it past Murray, he could have gone all the way ?

LOL No way Verdasco could beat Novak in the Wimbledon final.

 

[sbengte]

LOL No way Verdasco could beat Novak in the Wimbledon final.

He may not have, but wouldn't bet on it. The way Djoker played that final, he looked like he could go down to even Almagro :lol: Don't know what was up with him on that day.

 

[Mainad]

Boy, that Verdasco choke (was he up two sets and a break ?) still makes me want to tear my hair out. Geez.

Why would anyone tear what's left of their hair out at the idea of Verdasco choking? This is a guy who once lost a match to Soderling when serving for it at 40 love up in the deciding set! Choking away big leads is what he does best. He has practically made it into an art form. Besides, Murray is no slouch at coming back from losing positions and turning back heavy deficits in matches (he did the same thing in his quarter-final match against Cilic at 2012 USO, another event he went on to win). Give him some credit, please!

Regarding the match: he won the first 2 sets and then Murray won the next 2 quite comfortably. He fought back hard in the 5th set and got an early break but Murray soon broke back and then broke him again to wrap up the match.

 

[Chico]

He may not have, but wouldn't bet on it. The way Djoker played that final, he looked like he could go down to even Almagro :lol: Don't know what was up with him on that day.

Novak was under tremendous pressure going vs Murray and the whole country in the final. Media frenzy was crazy and every single person in Britain expected Murray to bring back the title after the 70+ years. Novak just could not fight the whole country on top of in form Murray, hence the bad performance in the final. All that would not exist if he played Verdasco.

Just a thought that Verdasco of all people would have chance against Novak on grass in the W final shows how much is Novak under-appreciated here.

 

[Noleberic123]

Novak was under tremendous pressure going vs Murray and the whole country in the final. Media frenzy was crazy and every single person in Britain expected Murray to bring back the title after the 70+ years. Novak just could not fight the whole country on top of in form Murray, hence the bad performance in the final. All that would not exist if he played Verdasco.

Just a thought that Verdasco of all people would have chance against Novak on grass in the W final shows how much is Novak under-appreciated here.

Novak was completely physically exhausted also after the delpo semi.

 

[TMF]

LOL No way Verdasco could beat Novak in the Wimbledon final.

You don't know for sure so stop saying "no way".


I bet you will say no way Wawrinka could beat Nole at the AO had they didn't met there this year. lol

 

[Mainad]

Novak was completely physically exhausted also after the delpo semi.

Oh come on, not this old chestnut again! He had a 4 set battle with Del Potro in the semis. Murray also had a 4 set battle against Janowicz in the semis. Both semi-final opponents were serving bombs and hitting powerful groundstrokes (Janowicz was at the top of his form back then, not the error-machine he is now). Both finalists had 2 days to recover before the final and both of them were at peak fitness. They couldn't have been better matched.

However, Chico probably has a point about the pressure Djokovic was probably feeling. Murray's pressure was definitely greater because he was having to face up to the expectations of the home crowd and finally bring back a trophy no male British player had got his hands on for the last 77 years! Not having won Wimbledon before, he was very much the underdog facing someone who was a previous champion.

But, all the same, I can appreciate how Djokovic must have been feeling being in the position of the 'Bad Guy' out to spoil the party for Murray and the Brits and threatening to reduce the home favourite to tears for the second year in a row. Djokovic is a guy who loves to feed off the crowd's support and often doesn't play his best when he feels he's not getting it. To that extent, he's not as cold-blooded and ruthless as players like Federer and Nadal. In the 2012 final, Federer dispatched Murray with cold precision and then stood there clutching the trophy with a sheepish grin on his face while Murray sobbed in front of the microphone. He felt sympathy for Murray but he wanted his 7th Wimby title far more. Unlike Fed or Rafa, Djokovic doesn't quite have that killer instinct when he feels like the villain of the piece out to spoil the party. So I can appreciate how difficult it must have been for him too.

 

[-snake-]

Oh come on, not this old chestnut again! He had a 5 set battle with Del Potro in the semis. Murray also had a 4 set battle against Janowicz in the semis. Both semi-final opponents were serving bombs and hitting powerful groundstrokes (Janowicz was at the top of his form back then, not the error-machine he is now). Both finalists had 2 days to recover before the final and both of them were at peak fitness. They couldn't have been better matched.

However, Chico probably has a point about the pressure Djokovic was probably feeling. Murray's pressure was definitely greater because he was having to face up to the expectations of the home crowd and finally bring back a trophy no male British player had got his hands on for the last 77 years! Not having won Wimbledon before, he was very much the underdog facing someone who was a previous champion.

But, all the same, I can appreciate how Djokovic must have been feeling being in the position of the 'Bad Guy' out to spoil the party for Murray and the Brits and threatening to reduce the home favourite to tears for the second year in a row. Djokovic is a guy who loves to feed off the crowd's support and often doesn't play his best when he feels he's not getting it. To that extent, he's not as cold-blooded and ruthless as players like Federer and Nadal. In the 2012 final, Federer dispatched Murray with cold precision and then stood there clutching the trophy with a sheepish grin on his face while Murray sobbed in front of the microphone. He felt sympathy for Murray but he wanted his 7th Wimby title far more. Unlike Fed or Rafa, Djokovic doesn't quite have that killer instinct when he feels like the villain of the piece out to spoil the party. So I can appreciate how difficult it must have been for him too.

You're going to get an ulcer.

 

[Mainad]

Murray also had a 5 set battle against Janowicz in the semis.

No, it was a 4 setter like I said. Murray won 6-7,6-4,6-4,6-3.

But I was wrong about Djokovic-Del Potro. Their's was a 5 setter. Djokovic won 7-5,4-6,7-6,6-7,6-3.

You're going to get an ulcer.

An ulcer? Me? Not very likely, mate! Don't you know I only come on here for a bit of relaxation?

 

[-snake-]

No, it was a 4 setter like I said. Murray won 6-7,6-4,6-4,6-3.



An ulcer? Me? Not very likely, mate! Don't you know I only come on here for a bit of relaxation?

Brainfart, i changed the wrong part of the post :evil:

Djoko had a 5 setter.

 

[Djokovic2011]

However, Chico probably has a point about the pressure Djokovic was probably feeling. Murray's pressure was definitely greater because he was having to face up to the expectations of the home crowd and finally bring back a trophy no male British player had got his hands on for the last 77 years! Not having won Wimbledon before, he was very much the underdog facing someone who was a previous champion.

But, all the same, I can appreciate how Djokovic must have been feeling being in the position of the 'Bad Guy' out to spoil the party for Murray and the Brits and threatening to reduce the home favourite to tears for the second year in a row. Djokovic is a guy who loves to feed off the crowd's support and often doesn't play his best when he feels he's not getting it. To that extent, he's not as cold-blooded and ruthless as players like Federer and Nadal. In the 2012 final, Federer dispatched Murray with cold precision and then stood there clutching the trophy with a sheepish grin on his face while Murray sobbed in front of the microphone. He felt sympathy for Murray but he wanted his 7th Wimby title far more. Unlike Fed or Rafa, Djokovic doesn't quite have that killer instinct when he feels like the villain of the piece out to spoil the party. So I can appreciate how difficult it must have been for him too.

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

Oh come on, not this old chestnut again! He had a 4 set battle with Del Potro in the semis. Murray also had a 4 set battle against Janowicz in the semis. Both semi-final opponents were serving bombs and hitting powerful groundstrokes (Janowicz was at the top of his form back then, not the error-machine he is now). Both finalists had 2 days to recover before the final and both of them were at peak fitness. They couldn't have been better matched.

Lmao this guy. So you have resorted to lies on top of misrepresentation now? First you say the AO 2013 final was not balanced and the Wimb 2013 final was (despite being the same exact scenarios) and now you actually try rewriting history and say that both matches were 4 sets?

And of course going 5 sets in the longest Wimbledon SF in history that was a punishing baseline rallyfest was just as tiring as going 4 sets vs a servebot? :roll:

 

[Mainad]

Lmao this guy. So you have resorted to lies on top of misrepresentation now? First you say the AO 2013 final was not balanced and the Wimb 2013 final was (despite being the same exact scenarios) and now you actually try rewriting history and say that both matches were 4 sets?

As usual, these are YOUR obsessions not mine! I've tried to explain to you until I'm blue in the teeth that I don't believe in any 'special circumstances' that qualifies one match victory over another unless one player has a bye over the other. How many times do I have to say this to you? I'm not willing any longer to go along with your weird and wonderful theories about what makes one match win any 'better' than another. I couldn't care less. How long will it take for you to grasp this essential fact and go and bore some other poor sod with it all. I'm reasonably sure it will provide an effective cure for their insomnia!

PS. If you'd bothered to read back to my earlier responses to Snake you would see that I acknowledged that I had made an error over the Djokovic-Del Potro match! Not that I'd ever expect you to take the time and trouble to do anything like that when it's apparently so much easier for you to come charging in here like some demented banshee spewing accusations of 'liar' and any other insult it obviously pleases you to hurl at me!

And of course going 5 sets in the longest Wimbledon SF in history that was a punishing baseline rallyfest was just as tiring as going 4 sets vs a servebot? :roll:

You've clearly been putting far too much spice in your curry. I'd tone it down if I were you or it's likely to scramble your insides just like it already has with your brain! Cheerio!!

 

[SpicyCurry1990]

As usual, these are YOUR obsessions not mine! I've tried to explain to you until I'm blue in the teeth that I don't believe in any 'special circumstances' that qualifies one match victory over another unless one player has a bye over the other. How many times do I have to say this to you? I'm not willing any longer to go along with your weird and wonderful theories about what makes one match win any 'better' than another. I couldn't care less. How long will it take for you to grasp this essential fact and go and bore some other poor sod with it all. I'm reasonably sure it will provide an effective cure for their insomnia!

PS. If you'd bothered to read back to my earlier responses to Snake you would see that I acknowledged that I had made an error over the Djokovic-Del Potro match! Not that I'd ever expect you to take the time and trouble to do anything like that when it's apparently so much easier for you to come charging in here like some demented banshee spewing accusations of 'liar' and any other insult it obviously pleases you to hurl at me!



You've clearly been putting far too much spice in your curry. I'd tone it down if I were you or it's likely to scramble your insides just like it already has with your brain! Cheerio!!

Did you not say word for word what I quoted you as saying in regards to AO 2013 vs Wimbledon 2013? I have not heard you retract on that.

My bad on not seeing that you acknowledged your mistake, but I would think if you have the gall to actually say Wimb 13 was neutral while AO 13 wasn't, you would actually know what the circumstances were!

Nice points on explaining why two offensive baseliners playing the longest SF in tournament history is just as tiring as a 4 setter vs a classic serve/volley player.