Will Isner/Mahut match time played surpass entire match time of womens champion?
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Look, it's one of the very few major sports where the men and women play at the same events, and sometimes on the same court.
Side-by-side like that, it's tough to avoid equal pay. Let's just say the women are paid for different attributes and contributions. Again, for me, the majors would be far less interesting with men only.
Side-by-side like that, it's tough to avoid equal pay. Let's just say the women are paid for different attributes and contributions. Again, for me, the majors would be far less interesting with men only.
But then again... doubles players use the same court.
Centered
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And you know how many WNBA games I've seen?
I can't remember any.
WTA tennis is a more successful product in the marketplace, despite all the needless recrimination. It's not as if ATP players are paid poorly!
Greats like Laver used to be paid a pittance.
This is just female bashing. Nothing more.
I can understand rational arguments like "The WTA should have best of 5 matches for the semis and finals of slams", but that's not what we have here.
That's not a terribly rational argument at all. Do marathon runners get paid more than sprinters? At the end of the day, pay should be based on the amount of money they generate, not about how long their match is.
Centered
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Yeah, women exist to be grabbed by the hair and drug around the cave. They exist as sexual objects for pleasure, to scrub pots and pans, do laundry, cook, carry children, and raise them.
Sorry, bud, but women are overtaking men in much of the world in terms of higher education and job security.
No offence, but you are majorly missing the point.
Your post is typical "defensive" rubbish. This has NOTHING to do with women being equal to men. Of course women are equal to men in society. (But of course you have to throw in a petty remark about how you think women are better than men :? .)
Look, women and men are equals. That does not mean they deserve equal pay. I think we'd all agree doubles players are equal in human society to singles players, they don't have less rights. And yet, doubles players get paid less. Why? Because far less people care about doubles.
What about the wheelchair tennis players? They get paid less too! Is it because society hates disabled people? No! It's because less people care about wheelchair tennis than singles tennis.
Centered
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It is if you think the product's value ratio would be better with the change.
If someone makes iced cream and it doesn't have enough sweetner in it to be tasty to 70% of the public and someone suggests adding a bit more, is that rational?
The argument that women should play more sets because men do is ludicrous but the argument that they should play more sets to enhance the quality of their sport, their product, is logical. However, just because it's logical doesn't mean it's the best argument.
Some may argue, for instance, that WTA tennis would be better if matches only were played with two sets and ping-pong style scoring—where if each player wins a set there would be a tiebreak played.
In any case, women aren't men and men aren't women. That much is certain. Wagging fingers at women for not being men is silly.
Centered
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You seem to have ignored the rest of my post. I'll repeat it here so you can respond:
Look, women and men are equals. That does not mean they deserve equal pay. I think we'd all agree doubles players are equal in human society to singles players, they don't have less rights. And yet, doubles players get paid less. Why? Because far less people care about doubles.
What about the wheelchair tennis players? They get paid less too! Is it because society hates disabled people? No! It's because less people care about wheelchair tennis than singles tennis.
I can think of tons more examples. Football players are equally "human" to postmen. And yet, guess what?! Football players get paid more!
Are you seriously suggesting, as your "lol!" comment to my post implies, that EVERYONE in the whole world should be paid the same as we are "all equal"?
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I'm still waiting for you to challenge the points I made.
Do you think postmen should be paid the same as footballers?
cknobman
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Your as narrowminded as the people your arguing against.
I hate the mentalitly of "equality as long as it benefits me or coincides with what I want"
Both sides can argue until they are blue in the face about whether equal pay in tennis is right or wrong and there are hundreds of reasons to support both sides.
Its still a shame that men have to work upto and more than twice as long as women in the grand slams for the same amount of pay.
Only equal thing to do would be pay by the game/set and its a flat rate for both men and women. Then everyone gets paid the same but if your match goes longer your rewarded accordingly. But then youll get players working the system making their matches go longer on purpose in order to increase their pay.
I am stunned by the sheer ingenuity of your argument. I retract all of my original statements: everyone in the world should be paid the same amount of money, since we are all equally human.
That is essentially what you are arguing. If you can't see the problem with that...
I'm going to keep my answer very short:
Fact: ATP generates more dough than WTA
Fact: Men play best of 5,women best of 3.
Why should men work more than twice as long as women for the same amount of money?
This equal pay thingie is a big joke.
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Centered
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Equality is equality. Equality is not hypocritical.
No, it's not a shame given that men have around twice the oxygen capacity that women have and have much stronger bodies in other respects.
If you care to look at the injury rate in the WTA you'll likely find it's higher.
Drakulie and others will snark that WTA players are lazy/fat/stupid heifers, but that's just not the case in general. Players in the WTA often work very hard on fitness and overtrain. Their bodies break down on concrete courts, from stiff strings and racquets, and so forth.
Men aren't women and women aren't men. Men have physiological advantages and it's unfair to give them such an advantage.
Centered
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The bottom line is that tennis is less popular than football, great male players like Rod Laver were paid peanuts, and women aren't men and shouldn't be condemned for not being born with the extra oxygen capacity, stronger bones, and natural performance-enhancing steroids (testosterone).
This is beyond tiresome. You boys aren't going to be successful in eliminating equal pay, so you had best just spend your time watching ATP tennis and pretending no one likes WTA tennis.
There are things female athletes can offer that men can't and vice-versa. WTA tennis is not ATP tennis but that doesn't make it inferior.
This is beyond tiresome. You boys aren't going to be successful in eliminating equal pay, so you had best just spend your time watching ATP tennis and pretending no one likes WTA tennis.
There are things female athletes can offer that men can't and vice-versa. WTA tennis is not ATP tennis but that doesn't make it inferior.
Then NBA aren't afraid to make a the RIGHT decision, but ATP are too scare to fight for their right.
Minimum salary for 3-year WNBA player: $51,000
Minimum salary for 3-year NBA player: $826,269
Like the ATP, the NBA is a MAJOR sport and WNBA just play a small roll.
I would say if an ATP player winning a slam earn $1 million, then WTA player should earn $100,000. And that is still way better off than the disparity in basketball.
Absolutely, which is why sets played has nothing to do with this. This is about money generated by the men and women. It's no secret the men's game is more popular. That is the reason why few other sports have men and women being paid the same amount.
Again, you correctly say football is more popular than tennis (I assume you mean soccer, talking worldwide). Which is why soccer players make more money than tennis players.
Centered
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When you boys get equal pay eliminated and get women to go back into the kitchen and the laundry room, let me know.
People have made all sorts of arguments justifying sexism and they always rest on irrelevant points. The fact is that equal pay exists because the marketplace deems it necessary. Tough titty.
People have made all sorts of arguments justifying sexism and they always rest on irrelevant points. The fact is that equal pay exists because the marketplace deems it necessary. Tough titty.
You are ignoring all the counter-arguments people make, accusing them of sexism.
If you are accusing me of sexism, then I could theoretically accuse you of being prejudiced against disabled people. (Wheelchair tennis players get less money than singles players.)
Are disabled people equal to non-disabled people? Please answer that question.
Do wheelchair tennis players at Wimbledon get paid the same as singles non-disabled tennis players? Please answer that question.
Thank you.
EDIT: Still no reply. I assume you've realised your hypocrisy. Maybe you should just accuse me of sexism again, whilst failing to refute any of the points I have made.
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Yes they are! ATP attracts more fans than WTA. Hence, they are important.
AtomicForehand
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Serena and several other women pros have often said that they WANT to play three-out-of-five setters rather than two-out-of-three. Women naturally tend to have better endurance than men, so it doesn't make sense for them not to. It would change the way the women's game is played, though, that's for sure. Probably make it more interesting.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
Uhmmm, "sacrifice"??? you mean women don't want to become pregnant, and do it (by force) for the sole purpose of bearing men??? :roll:
no, they are not.
tennis and football are two different sports.
Why not all the matches?? why only the semis or finals??
Let me know when women catch up:
painter (Michael Angelo),
sculpture, (Angelo)
architect (frank lloyd wright)
composer/musician (Mozart, Beethoven),
philospohy (plato, socrates, aristotle, etc)
writer, (shakespeare)
etc, etc, etc.
The women do have a great leader though: Hillary Clinton; a woman so scary she would eat her children, and make Hitler proud.
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
There is absolutely no way she could in any way, shape, or form challenge your post and points. All she could come up with is football is more popular than tennis, which is incorrect, as tennis is the 4th most popular sport behind soccer, cricket, and field hockey.
IvanAndreevich
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Honestly I've never seen a tennis fan who enjoys WTA more than ATP amongst all that I know. That includes the ladies.
The only reason why some people choose to watch WTA is because the level of play is lower, so it's more instructional to their own game.
And you got it wrong, as was mentioned time and again. Equal pay is sexist against MEN.
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