Wimbledon 14 was the biggest slam in the goat debate.

[DjokoLand]

Every fan base can agree that Djokovic’s mental game when it comes to not losing is 2nd to none but for the newer tennis fans and the people that forgot let’s look at this.

Djokovic was 6-7 in slam finals before this.
It started in RG 13 for me. The net touch killed his mind set.
He then lost the W13 final & USO 13 final. Yes both Murray and Nadal played great but he was struggling to get that winning feeling.
He then went out to Wawrinka at the AO 14 and was beating rather easy at RG14 by Nadal.

Up step W14 final. He was the better player most of the match. He had hired Becker previously to work on his mental game. He was 5-2 up in the 4th and choked it away to go to a 5th. In the 5th he was lucky Fed was nervous too as he made a lot of errors.
Anyway Djokovic won it and as he raised his arms you could see the relief in his face. People will say W19 is the biggest but Djokovic has already built up the mentality to bounce back from that. If he lost the W14 final he would be nowhere near Federer in my opinion.

Do you agree ?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

It was AO 2017.

Nuff said!

 

[Hitman]

Many of us have agreed in the past that W 2014 was the most important slam win of Djokovic's career. Had he lost that one, that could have been it for him, winning it changed everything and put him on a course to exceptional greatness.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Wimbledon 2020.

 

[Phoenix1983]

If Novak Djokovic becomes GOAT, then yes, this was the match that took him from being a great into a contender for the very greatest.

 

[DjokoLand]

It was AO 2017.

Nuff said!

If you are being serious I got a question for you, having seen some fans here saying Djokovic has stat padded due to no competition in last few years. When Djokovic was injured from last 2016 to 2018, yes being fit is part of the game you know Fedal won 6 slams in a row with Fed winning 2 AO’s. Would that not be inflating his stats. It’s only a question ?

 

[Tennis_Hands]

If you are being serious I got a question for you, having seen some fans here saying Djokovic has stat padded due to no competition in last few years. When Djokovic was injured from last 2016 to 2018, yes being fit is part of the game you know Fedal won 6 slams in a row with Fed winning 2 AO’s. Would that not be inflating his stats. It’s only a question ?

Of course it is. However, Federer had his entirely personal challenge at that time: to prove that his major handicap has been exacerbated by his technological disadvantage, so in that sense "stats" have nothing to do with his results at the time: it was about beating the myth about Nadal into submission.

 

[The Guru]

I think Wimbledon 2014 is overrated as far as it goes to "fixing" Djokovic. He was a disaster in clutch moments and he almost blew it despite playing at a much higher level than Fed and then he proceeded to have his worst slam in his prime in the very next event and played two poor masters with losses to Robredo (lol) and Tsonga. He then proceeds to lose to Fed in Shanghai clean up a weak Bercy and win WTF thanks to a Fed withdrawal. Djokovic didn't start to become clutch and mentally strong again until 2015 imo.

 

[NoleIsBoat]

Of course it is. However, Federer had his entirely personal challenge at that time: to prove that his major handicap has been exacerbated by his technological disadvantage, so in that sense "stats" have nothing to do with his results at the time: it was about beating the myth about Nadal into submission.

Federer with the new racket played his best ever tennis, which is why he turned his h2h around with Nadal, Murray, Berdych.

Unfortunately for him, Djokovic reached a new peak

 

[TheNachoMan]

Novak had some serious tough losses before that match. I don’t know if he would’ve recovered had Fed won that

 

[DjokoLand]

I think Wimbledon 2014 is overrated as far as it goes to "fixing" Djokovic. He was a disaster in clutch moments and he almost blew it despite playing at a much higher level than Fed and then he proceeded to have his worst slam in his prime in the very next event and played two poor masters with losses to Robredo (lol) and Tsonga. He then proceeds to lose to Fed in Shanghai clean up a weak Bercy and win WTF thanks to a Fed withdrawal. Djokovic didn't start to become clutch and mentally strong again until 2015 imo.

I’m not saying Djokovic instantly fixed himself after the match but going 6-8 and losing to Federer he would of been broken physically and most importantly mentally

 

[Jokervich]

Every fan base can agree that Djokovic’s mental game when it comes to not losing is 2nd to none but for the newer tennis fans and the people that forgot let’s look at this.

Djokovic was 6-7 in slam finals before this.
It started in RG 13 for me. The net touch killed his mind set.
He then lost the W13 final & USO 13 final. Yes both Murray and Nadal played great but he was struggling to get that winning feeling.
He then went out to Wawrinka at the AO 14 and was beating rather easy at RG14 by Nadal.

Up step W14 final. He was the better player most of the match. He had hired Becker previously to work on his mental game. He was 5-2 up in the 4th and choked it away to go to a 5th. In the 5th he was lucky Fed was nervous too as he made a lot of errors.
Anyway Djokovic won it and as he raised his arms you could see the relief in his face. People will say W19 is the biggest but Djokovic has already built up the mentality to bounce back from that. If he lost the W14 final he would be nowhere near Federer in my opinion.

Do you agree ?

A point well made. Wimbledon 2018 was important as well. That match against Nadal going 10-8 in the 5th, if he lost that, he might never have won any slams after that. His confidence was at an all time low after a poor 2 years with no slam wins and losing to the likes of Querrey, Istomin, Chung and Cecchinato in previous slams + coming back from injury.

 

[MadariKatu]

If you are being serious I got a question for you, having seen some fans here saying Djokovic has stat padded due to no competition in last few years. When Djokovic was injured from last 2016 to 2018, yes being fit is part of the game you know Fedal won 6 slams in a row with Fed winning 2 AO’s. Would that not be inflating his stats. It’s only a question ?

Since 2017 they all 3 have been inflating their stats.

 

[DjokoLand]

A point well made. Wimbledon 2018 was important as well. That match against Nadal going 10-8 in the 5th, if he lost that, he might never have won any slams after that. His confidence was at an all time low after a poor 2 years with no slam wins and losing to the likes of Querrey, Istomin, Chung and Cecchinato in previous slams + coming back from injury.

Yeah to me 2018 is 2nd way ahead of 19. As I said in my previous post in 19 if he lost he has the mental ability to bounce back and while it creates a bigger gap I still wouldn’t worry. W14 to show he can do in finals W18 to prove he can compete again and W19 to show how much of a mental giant he is.
All important, really proves how important W is too his legacy

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Novak‘s mental strength is superior to Federer.

 

[DjokoLand]

Since 2017 they all 3 have been inflating their stats.

No I agree with that. As I said if only one was around they would have 30 slams + but 59 between them is a bit ridiculous. It’s all too do with there champion mindset, condition for there age and younger players not challenging consistently.
I have faith in Tsitsipas he is 22 has beat Nadal at AO won a master and took Djokovic to 5 at RG he is close

 

[DjokoLand]

Novak‘s mental strength is superior to Federer.

Yeah and the sky is blue. Fed is a choker even by his fans. He has won so much based on his tennis ability not on his mental ability where he falls short of Nadal and way short of Djokovic

 

[thrust]

If you are being serious I got a question for you, having seen some fans here saying Djokovic has stat padded due to no competition in last few years. When Djokovic was injured from last 2016 to 2018, yes being fit is part of the game you know Fedal won 6 slams in a row with Fed winning 2 AO’s. Would that not be inflating his stats. It’s only a question ?

Murray was the YE #1 in 16, Novak, #2. Murray was absent most if not all of 17 while Novak was injured and off the wall, hanging around Pepe in 17. From 17 on, Nadal has won nothing vs Fed or Novak, off clay.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Yeah and the sky is blue. Fed is a choker even by his fans. He has won so much based on his tennis ability not on his mental ability where he falls short of Nadal and way short of Djokovic

He has a good record against nadal the second half . I will give you novak.

 

[DjokoLand]

He has a good record against nadal the second half . I will give you novak.

Yeah but that is because he has declined less than Nadal. He has lost 23 matches up MP. I’m giving Federer serious credit here he is not mentally strong yet look at his career it shows his talent. Imagine Djokovic having Fed’s talent ? Or Fed with Djokovic mentality? Undisputed goat

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Yeah but that is because he has declined less than Nadal. He has lost 23 matches up MP. I’m giving Federer serious credit here he is not mentally strong yet look at his career it shows his talent. Imagine Djokovic having Fed’s talent ? Or Fed with Djokovic mentality? Undisputed goat

True but let’s be honest novak will surpass him. That’s a lot compared to novak. That hurts him in the grand scheme of things. It’s cringe-worthy.

 

[DjokoLand]

True but let’s be honest novak will surpass him. That’s a lot compared to novak. That hurts him in the grand scheme of things. It’s cringe-worthy.

Absolutely it hurts him. Djokovic will go past him and even if people say Fed is goat through to style 50 years down the line when you look at the books it’s Novak Djokovic’s name everywhere. I like Fed but he deserves this for all matches he has messed up. He has had all the opportunities and has not grounded them out

 

[Beckerserve]

Every fan base can agree that Djokovic’s mental game when it comes to not losing is 2nd to none but for the newer tennis fans and the people that forgot let’s look at this.

Djokovic was 6-7 in slam finals before this.
It started in RG 13 for me. The net touch killed his mind set.
He then lost the W13 final & USO 13 final. Yes both Murray and Nadal played great but he was struggling to get that winning feeling.
He then went out to Wawrinka at the AO 14 and was beating rather easy at RG14 by Nadal.

Up step W14 final. He was the better player most of the match. He had hired Becker previously to work on his mental game. He was 5-2 up in the 4th and choked it away to go to a 5th. In the 5th he was lucky Fed was nervous too as he made a lot of errors.
Anyway Djokovic won it and as he raised his arms you could see the relief in his face. People will say W19 is the biggest but Djokovic has already built up the mentality to bounce back from that. If he lost the W14 final he would be nowhere near Federer in my opinion.

Do you agree ?

W2008 and RG2020 are at the moment the decisive Major wins. Pivotal as things stand Re GOAT debate.