Wimbledon 1989 SF Edberg McEnroe stats

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slice serve ace

Rookie
Volleys from this match = witchcraft. But it was pretty routine back then, i guess. Not an epic, but 3 very competitive sets, with volleys you don't see anymore in tennis. And i could watch McEnroe just serve all day.


Edberg - McEnroe 7-5, 7-6, 7-6


1st serve %

edberg.. 52 ( 47, 51, 57 )
mcenroe 49 ( 59, 44, 48 )

low percentage and double faults, according to comentators, were mac's problems the entire tournament - he was broken 21 times before this match (however, he broke 30 times )
edberg was serving 66% for the tournament untill this match, so he had serious dip here

1st serve pts won %

edberg.. 83 ( 94, 83, 77 )
mcenroe 77 ( 74, 82, 75 )

2nd serve pts won %

edberg.. 53 ( 44, 59, 55 )
mcenroe 54 ( 46, 54, 59 )

service pts won %

edberg.. 69 ( 68, 71, 67 )
mcenroe 65 ( 63, 66, 67 )

with this totals of service pts won, very low number of breaks occured. usually the serve is well protected if the server wins 70% or more

aces

edberg.. 4 ( 1, 0, 3 ) 1 on a second serve
mcenroe 8 ( 4, 3, 1 ) 1 on a second serve

comentators had 2 more aces for edberg, but mcenroe clearly touched them, so i didn't count

double faults

edberg.. 6 ( 3, 2, 1 )
mcenroe 9 ( 3, 3, 3 )

winners

edberg.. 54 ( 12, 24, 18 )
mcenroe 49 ( 18, 15, 16 )

few things here
edberg had 50 non-service winners. mcenroe was not far behind with 41. 91 non-service winner in a match in total
edberg had 24 winners in a second set - without hitting a single ace! i don't think i ever saw such high number in a normal (tiebreak ) set

unreturned serves

edberg.. 41 ( 13, 9, 19 )
mcenroe 50 ( 11, 21, 18 )

unreturned serves %

edberg.. 33 ( 38, 20, 41 )
mcenroe 40 ( 34, 42, 43 )

break points

edberg.. 2/6 ( 2/3, 0/2, 0/1 )
mcenroe 1/3 ( 1/1, 0/1, 0/1 )

points won

edberg.. 129 ( 35, 49, 45 )
mcenroe 120 ( 31, 46, 43 )
 
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krosero

Legend
The match was reported as 3 hours 13 minutes, pretty long for three sets.

Just a few stats in the New York Times:

McEnroe dropped out of doubles competition Thursday because of pain in his left shoulder. Examination disclosed a tear in the rotator cuff muscle, and the shoulder was bombarded with laser and electronic treatment in preparation for today's match.

''That wasn't the reason I lost the match; let's just leave it at that,'' said McEnroe, who has been unable to restore his first serve to something resembling the reliable threat it once was. Before the match today, McEnroe had served 36 aces and double-faulted 47 times here. Today, he added nine double-faults and eight aces.
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krosero

Legend
slice serve ace said:
edberg was serving 66% for the tournament untill this match, so he had serious dip here
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And he served in the high 60s in the final.

slice serve ace said:
1st serve pts won %

edberg.. 83 ( 94, 83, 77 )
mcenroe 77 ( 74, 82, 75 )

2nd serve pts won %

edberg.. 53 ( 44, 59, 55 )
mcenroe 54 ( 46, 54, 59 )
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I've been curious to see some numbers for Edberg on 2nd serve. He seems a possible candidate to have matches in which his success on 2nd serve was higher than on 1st. When he first came on tour I remember his 2nd serve being touted as the best in the game. But his numbers in this match are perfectly normal.

In fact in the opening set he's 94% on 1st serve (a bit surprising) and only 44% on second.

slice serve ace said:
edberg had 24 winners in a second set - without hitting a single ace! i don't think i ever saw such high number in a normal (tiebreak ) set
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there were two early matches I did in which I thought there a lot of non-service winners.


Lendl had 24 in the 3rd set of the '87 USO final vs. Wilander. He also had 6 aces.

McEnroe had 23 in the 2nd set of the '81 Wimbledon final vs. Borg. He also had an ace.

Both of those sets went to 7-6, btw. The '87 set had 106 points, the '81 set 96 points.
 
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Datacipher

Banned
I remembert this match as being closer than most people portray. Edberg was just atouch sharper. A pass here, a volley there. Some great grass court play from both sides though.

I was not aware of macs injury till now... Interestig.

I think the high service winners and low aces (you May have mixed their stats in the op) are reflective of their strategy and also the high pressure they bring to bear on the returner. It wasn't good enough to just bunt it back deep....not with these two on grass!

It probably wasn't the pinnacle of wither mans tennis , but for the tennis fan, it wAs a dramatic and tense display. All court shotmakers who both knew that they'd be forced to come up with spectacular shots to break open te match.
 
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slice serve ace

Rookie
krosero said:
Lendl had 24 in the 3rd set of the '87 USO final vs. Wilander. He also had 6 aces.
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so 30 winners in total for lendl? i have counted 30 winners in a set (excluding extended 5th sets) only once - 4th set of the '00 AO sampras-agassi, sampras had 30, 17 of those aces
 
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krosero

Legend
McEnroe made 23 non-service winners in another match, by Moose: second set against Wilander at '85 RG. That one was just a 7-5 set; and Mac lost it.

Impressive number on clay, though. Don't know his aces for the set.

slice serve ace said:
so 30 winners in total for lendl? i have counted 30 winners in a set (excluding extended 5th sets) only once - 4th set of the '00 AO sampras-agassi, sampras had 30, 17 of those aces
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I've got Kohlschreiber making 31 clean winners, including 9 aces, in a third set against Roddick that went to an 11-9 tiebreak (2008 AO)

Becker had 28 total, including 7 aces, in the fourth set of his '95 win over Agassi, also a 7-6 set

Sampras had 26 total, including 5 aces, in the third set of his Davis Cup win over Kafelnikov, also 7-6 (and on clay)
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
i have counted 30 winners in a set (excluding extended 5th sets) only once
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Ashe had 45 winners in the first set of the '68 USO final(16 aces)
It was a 14-12 set.

Ralston had 33 winners in the 2nd set of the '66 W Final(5 aces)
It was an 11-9 set.

Court had 35 winners(no aces) & King had 32(no aces) in the 1st set of '70 W final(a 14-12 set)

Mac had 37 winners(10 aces) in first set of '82 DC final vs Noah(a 12-10 set)

Ashe had 28 winners(6 aces) in the 4th set of the '75 W SF vs Roche(a 9-8 set)

McEnroe made 23 non-service winners in another match, by Moose: second set against Wilander at '85 RG. That one was just a 7-5 set; and Mac lost it.
Impressive number on clay, though. Don't know his aces for the set
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he had 1 ace. Agassi had also had 23 winners in the 3rd set of '88 FO SF(no aces)
 
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krosero

Legend
Becker made 30 total winners – including 9 aces – in the second set of a 1989 Wimbledon semi against Lendl (107 points played). He lost the set 6-7.

Lendl had 23 non-service winners, and no aces, in the second set of the 1988 U.S. Open final against Wilander (only 69 points played). He won the set 6-4.

Connors had 22 non-service winners in each of the 7-6 sets that he took from Krickstein in their famous match (the first tiebreak went to 10-8 ). He had 2 aces in the first, 3 in the second.
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
edberg had 24 winners in a second set - without hitting a single ace! i don't think i ever saw such high number in a normal (tiebreak ) set


there were two early matches I did in which I thought there a lot of non-service winners.
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Sukova had 22 non service winners in the 1st set of the '84 AO final(a tiebreak set)

Martina had 22 non service winners in the 1st set of '87 Eastbourne final, while Sukova had 21 in that set as well(another tiebreak set)
 
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krosero

Legend
slice serve ace said:
Edberg - McEnroe 7-5, 7-6, 7-6

edberg had 24 winners in a second set - without hitting a single ace! i don't think i ever saw such high number in a normal (tiebreak ) set
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Fourth set of Nadal-Berdych two days ago, Nadal was credited with 20 winners, none of which were aces (though there might be some service winners in there). We've listed some higher figures upthread, but this was a short set: 9 games, just 67 points.

http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/scores/stats/day14/1504ss4.html
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
Krosero, I was looking through some of my old stats and came across a shocker - Janet Newberry had 19 winners, no aces vs Martina in the 2nd set of their match at the 1976 USO. 10'games and only 54 points.
 
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PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I always feel a little sorry for Mac, technology changes really screwed him over. He was awesome with wood and before woven graphite (Max 200G was chop fiber resin RA 40+ so like wood) but once the modern graphite racquet was developed and the Mid born, power players like Lendl had a better advantage, though in Lendl's case he did well against Mac early in their career as well. I saw Mac play Chang one year and it was disappointing watch Chang topspin lob nearly every passing shot, that would have been nearly impossible with wood without good setup. I've seen him play live a few times and he really struggled to handle the power hitting in the late 80's and early 90's. He could have dominated or stayed more competitive at top up to the 90's if wood was compulsory. It would be like dropping Laver or Rosewall into 2010, it's not their game. Muscles Rosewall vs Muscles Nadal, Nadal Muscles win.
 
Frankc

Frankc

Professional
Agreed, PM... I may be wrong, but have not seen that thought expressed often enough. Scanlon, in his book, talks of players caught in the tech change to carbon fiber. I still cannot comprehend when I watch vintage matches what Mac could do with a wood frame - power, touch - all timing...
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
@krosero @slice serve ace
Came across another high winner set for Edberg. In the first set of the 87 AO semi vs Masur(a 6-2 set) he had 20 non service winners and 1 ace. Only 69 pts played.
For the match he had 58 winners, most from groundstrokes(20 fh winners!)
 
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Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
krosero said:
Lendl had 23 non-service winners, and no aces, in the second set of the 1988 U.S. Open final against Wilander (only 69 points played). He won the set 6-4.
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can't believe I forgot this:

Mecir had 25 winners in the first set and 23 in the fourth vs Wilander at 86 USO. no aces in either set,
 
hoodjem

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
BeHappy said:
Without unforced errors your stats are utterly useless.
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BeHappy said:
Why would I bother doing something as pointless as compiling stats for a match from over 20 years ago? Let alone incomplete stats?
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So you can move beyond being snide, disparaging, condescending, futilitarian, derogatory, vituperative, belittling, insulting, abusive, and a scornful curmudgeon.

Much less being “happy.”
 
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