Worse Choking? Daniil historic double or Wimbledon 40-15?

[DSH]

It wasn't the choke job today, he was gassed after pushing for 20 hours in early rounds.

What do Ruusuvouri and Medvedev have in common?
They are both Finnish players!

 

[Federev]

Federer wins anything including this one

Peak Federer beats all peaks, choke Fed beats all chokes.

This is the way.

 

[Mustard]

What was the Coria score before the choke?

Coria won 11 of the first 12 games to go up 6-0, 5-1, and Coria later led 6-0, 6-3, 4-4 and 40-0 on serve. Coria was cramping during the fourth set.

When it was 2 sets all, Coria was a break up in the fifth set on 5 separate occasions, and twice served for the title at 5-4 and 6-5. If I remember right, Coria was broken to love when he served at 5-4, and he missed 2 championship points by a fraction with attempted winners when he was serving at 6-5. Gaudio won 0-6, 3-6, 6-4, 6-1, 8-6.

 

[BGod]

It's pretty simple, going up 2-0 should equate to a win. Any 2-0 collapse is by definition a choke.

Yes the losing player may raise their game but they're also dealing with smaller margins and frankly the leading player can choose to coast on returns with their degree of leeway.

So nearly all 2-0 blown leads are choke jobs. Medvedev had break points in both 3rd and 4th set today just FYI.

 

[Dartagnan64]

If nobody sees it, can it be the greatest choke? That’s my view of Coria. Might be one of the least watched slam finals ever.

Everyone remembers Fed vs Djoker at Wimbledon.

Medvedev doesn’t come close. Guys lose from 2 sets up all the time against young fit opponents. That’s why slams are 5 sets.

 

[Fed881981]

40-15. Yes, he played Djokovic not Gaudio, but he was Federer not Coria.

The amazing thing about the 2004 FO is that 4 of the 8 quarterfinalists were from Argentina. Only one of them won a slam.

 

[paolo2143]

It's pretty simple, going up 2-0 should equate to a win. Any 2-0 collapse is by definition a choke.

Yes the losing player may raise their game but they're also dealing with smaller margins and frankly the leading player can choose to coast on returns with their degree of leeway.

So nearly all 2-0 blown leads are choke jobs. Medvedev had break points in both 3rd and 4th set today just FYI.

I would say some 2-0 leads in sets are choke jobs but definitely not all.

Today Danni was still playing great tennis in 3rd and early 4th set and whole an amazing level from Sinner had him clinging on. Med definitely tired towards end of 4th set which is little wonder given the effort and match time he had put in throughout tournament.

Now Roger losing from 2-0 sets in his prime against Tsonga at Wimbledon in 2011 was definitely a choke job though lol

 

[Fabresque]

Fed threw away the slam race and tennis immortality. Greatest choke almost in sporting history let alone tennis.

Coria was bad because he never won a slam anyways.

Med’s chokes are unprecedented but with context of being no.1 before and already having a slam, it’s not as bad as Coria.

 

[inflation_era]

It's not like it was Schwarztman serving at 40-15.

 

[mike danny]

If nobody sees it, can it be the greatest choke? That’s my view of Coria. Might be one of the least watched slam finals ever.

Everyone remembers Fed vs Djoker at Wimbledon.

Medvedev doesn’t come close. Guys lose from 2 sets up all the time against young fit opponents. That’s why slams are 5 sets.

That would be true if 2 years ago he didn't lose from 2-0 up against an old less fit opponent.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Back to Wimby 19.
I just watched the two games from the 5th set, starting with Djokovic serving at 7-7. If you want to call it that, Novak choked away a 30-0 lead. Fed played an excellent return point to get it to 30-15, and Novak missed two easy FHs to be serving at break point. On break point, Novak didn't do nearly enough with a short ball, setting Roger up for a relatively easy passing shot which he well executed.

In the now-infamous 8-7 game, Fed and Novak traded missed forehands...15-15, prior to Roger serving two aces down the T. 40-15.
He served down the middle again but caught the tape. On second serve, Novak returned deep down the middle, which forced a shanked forehand (wide). And on the second match point, he hit a decent approach shot that Novak executed a very good passing shot (almost identical to Wimby18 versus Rafa). Back to deuce, Roger just missed an ace out wide, and well nothing too extraordinary on these next two points.

Obviously, with so much at stake, losing after the crowd was near-euphoric at 40-15, after hitting two aces was quite dramatic, but looking at those two games again (possibly for the first time in 4.5 years), I think Novak played a sloppier (chokier) service games at 7-7 than Fed did at 8-7.

In a more than 4-hour match with so much at stake, there are going to be ebbs and flows.

 

[chrisbc]

How was the AO 2024 final a choke? Seriously, armchair experts try and logically explain your position on this.

 

[MichaelNadal]

How was the AO 2024 final a choke? Seriously, armchair experts try and logically explain your position on this.

Yeah that's the thing with tennis, you have to win 3 sets, not 2.

 

[PerilousPear]

Med had a 2 set lead
Fred had MP
Coria had a combination of both.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Federer should never have been in the 40-15 position in the first place.

2-1 down in sets, a break down early in the 5th, all against an opponent 6 years his junior.

He should have closed it out but he also should have lost in 3 or 4 sets all things considered - there was plenty of choking happening on the other side of the net, except that guy had every advantage.

He definitely liked to fight back to the brink more often than let slip a dominance at the final hurdle. E.g. 2008 Wimbers, he manufactures chances via a 5th set out of the vacuum of space itself. PROLLYNOTWORTHITMATE.

 

[adil1972]

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Thnx a lot

 

[Hood_Man]

Now Roger losing from 2-0 sets in his prime against Tsonga at Wimbledon in 2011 was definitely a choke job though lol

Tsonga was from another planet that day. Even though Federer was 2-0 up he was getting outplayed throughout, aside from the solitary break point which he converted in the first set, and his serve bailing him out in the tiebreak in the second.

To this day I consider that the only loss of his career at Wimbledon prior to a final where he wasn't hampered by injury.

 

[Mustard]

It's pretty simple, going up 2-0 should equate to a win. Any 2-0 collapse is by definition a choke.

Yes the losing player may raise their game but they're also dealing with smaller margins and frankly the leading player can choose to coast on returns with their degree of leeway.

So nearly all 2-0 blown leads are choke jobs. Medvedev had break points in both 3rd and 4th set today just FYI.

Not necessarily. At 1987 Wimbledon, Connors trailed Pernfors 1-6, 1-6, 1-4, and then 1-6, 1-6, 7-5, 0-3, before winning 1-6, 1-6, 7-5, 6-4, 6-2. Pernfors didn't choke. Connors dug in and started playing better, scrapped away and found a way to win.

 

[ChrisJR3264]

You can add both of feds 40-15 scenarios.

Med never had match point in either.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Phase 1 - leading 6-0, 6-3, 4-4 and 40-0 up on serve in the 3rd set. Proceeds to drop serve and lose the third set 6-4, a d the 4th set 6-1.
The next phase involved being up a double break in the 5th set, serving for the match twice and having 2 Championship Points.

Nothing else comes close to this botched job

Such a shame because Coria would’ve been a nice transitional clay champ lol. He was a beast. That match took his heart, Rome ‘05 and the serving yips his soul.

 

[BVSlam]

Coria 2004 the actual worst here. Fed 2019 is bad in a vacuum, but he still retired with 20 slams and Coria with 0.

Medvedev is basically becoming Murray at the AO at this point, the main difference being that Murray has never won 2 sets in any AO final, let alone be up 2-0 twice like Med. But even still, Med won a slam. Coria never came close to another chance ever again.