Would 1978 Borg have any chance of defeating 2008 Nadal at Roland Garros?

At the 1978 French Open, Borg only lost 32 games total which is still the record at the French Open and he did not lose a single set during the tournament.

Would 1978 Borg have a chance against 2008 Nadal at Roland Garros or was Nadal simply too good?
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
My favorite players of all time and my favorite fantasy match :love: For starters I think it goes 5 sets, but ultimately I think RAFA takes it. He basically does everything Borg did on clay, but better. He's just as fast if not faster (the courts are slower, but the game is faster), and he has more firepower. I think once things start getting tighter as the match winds down RAFA just has more ways to end the point.

Larry Stefanki said it best, "He's like a big body Borg, basically".
 
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reaper

Legend
My favorite players of all time and my favorite fantasy match :love: For starters I think it goes 5 sets, but ultimately I think RAFA takes it. He basically does everything Borg did on clay, but better. He's just as fast if not faster (the courts are slower, but the game is faster), and he has more firepower. I think once things start getting tighter as the match winds down RAFA just has more ways to end the point.

Larry Stefenki said it best, "He's like a big body Borg, basically".

Is Roland Garros slower? I'm not sure if that court has changed at all.
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
Is Roland Garros slower? I'm not sure if that court has changed at all.
I don't think so I was just generalizing. Anyway, my pops used to have old tapes of Borg in the late 70 and early 80's at RG, and the difference in the rally speed compared to the modern game is like night and day.
 
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Rafa, Djokovic and Federer would all beat Borg on clay.
People forget, Rafa/Djokovic/Federer took tennis to a new level.
Borg's physicality wouldn't stand-out today, and neither would his skills.
Ferrer vs. Borg would be more interesting :)
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
Is Roland Garros slower? I'm not sure if that court has changed at all.
This is TTW effect.. there is so much moaning that you start feeling if everything has become slow.. other day I complained to my car dealer that my new car is slower than the older one.. the guy was perplexed..
 
There is one factor: Borg played with different type of racket than Nadal so therefore topspin will not be that effective. If they played against each other in their prime, it's even. Perhaps greater rivalry than Fedal.
 

reaper

Legend
I don't think so I was just generalizing. Anyway, my pops used to have old tapes of Borg in the late 70 and early 80's at RG, and the difference in the rally speed compared to the modern game is like night and day.

Of course it is. Nadal's forehand would be something to behold with a 1970's wooden racquet. There's an old saying that champions should be admired rather than compared because the comparisons we make are not like for like.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Probably better chance than most, if not all. Still, in any given match, I'd give him only a 20% chance of beating Nadal.
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
UNTESTABLE

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Stop with the untestable speculation. Serious tennis debate should never tolerate untestable scenarios, just like science does not accept untestable theories. :mad:
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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Denigrating Borg is just insanity. And those who do need to realize that the French Open ladies champion in 2032 would defeat the current version of Nadal effortlessly, because the game evolves. Osaka could beat 1969 Tony Roche pretty easily, does that mean Tony Roche was a chump?
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Literally an idiotic question to ask if we're just going with Borg and his wooden racket against Nadal and the monster he uses.

Here's one thing you can say almost for a certainty. Win or lose, it would be a much closer match if they were both playing with Nadal's racket than if they were both playing with Borg's.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
No player past, present or future can beat 2008 Nadal on court Philippe Chatrier. The guy is unbeatable.
Not sure about future. Tennis is evolving and players are getting bigger, stronger and faster. There will be players down the line, be it 10, 20 or 30 years down the line, who would have the talent and the game that would match up well against even a peak level Nadal on clay. It's unfathomable to think about but it's a reality. That's how sports work. Athletes evolve. Technology evolves too.
 

crazyups

Professional
Literally an idiotic question to ask if we're just going with Borg and his wooden racket against Nadal and the monster he uses.

Here's one thing you can say almost for a certainty. Win or lose, it would be a much closer match if they were both playing with Nadal's racket than if they were both playing with Borg's.
Other way around. If Nadal grew up in Borg's era with a wooden racquet he would be good too.
 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
Not sure about future. Tennis is evolving and players are getting bigger, stronger and faster. There will be players down the line, be it 10, 20 or 30 years down the line, who would have the talent and the game that would match up well against even a peak level Nadal on clay. It's unfathomable to think about but it's a reality. That's how sports work. Athletes evolve. Technology evolves too.

Peak Nadal on clay is the greatest physical specimen to grace tennis. There's no evolving from this

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guitarra

Professional
such comparisons are silly and pointless

in 20 years from now the technology, players and court conditions will change so much that the peak Nadal might struggle to win it
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
You'll be waiting a while for Nephilims to descend on Earth and start playing clay court tennis.
Nadal doesn't dominate in Madrid where clay courts are faster and lower bouncing. He's gotten blown out numerous times on Madrid clay even to non-clay specialists. What happens if RG organizers had decided to make faster and lower bouncing clay courts?
Also, during the intense rivalry of Nadal/Federer where both those guys were winning all the Slams, would you have believed it back in 2010 if someone had told you that a third guy would come into the mix and rack up 15 Slams as Djokovic did from 2011-2019? Not only that but winning 4 straight Slams from 2015 to 2016? Unfathomable to think of but yet it happened.
 
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