Would Nadal trade places with Federer in RG 2009?
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tennisplaya
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I'd rather have a bye into the semi finals like Federer has.
All-rounder
Legend
yeah he did for some strange reason probably fear
vtmike
Banned
You guys keep count? :shock::-?
tennisplaya
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You forgot to add 43 out of 56!
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1727 useless posts, almost enough for a book of useless information
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1727 useless posts, almost enough for a book of useless information
To answer your original question, yes, Federer has the easier quarter. But, the quarterfinals of an entire draw is not as important as what happens in the semifinals and finals.
The fact that Federer will have to play Djokovic, or somebody who BEAT Djokovic in the semifinals(assuming he makes it), makes the draw as a whole more difficult than Nadal's.
I fail to see how you "owned" vtmike.
tennisplaya
Rookie
yeah he did for some strange reason probably fear
There must be a delay on the internet news its not out yet!
His opponent Marcos Daniel has been tearing through the qualies. He killed his last opponent 6-0 6-1 in the last round of qualies! he's the form player of the tournament!
tennisplaya
Rookie
ownership= because the NO answers(like mine) reflect people's perception of Nadal's comfort with ANY draw. They do not reflect an easy of draw as the poll intended.Hope its clear for you now.
Anyways, 1/4 final draw is important too.They don't all just get a free pass to the semis. Federer would be ecstatic not to have Wawrinka in his 1/4 for example, as Wawrinka beat him well on the same type of REAL clay recently.I'm certain Federer would not swap his 1/4 for anyones. If you dont get past your 1/4, the semi draw is irrelevant.
I agree with that part. I agree that no matter who is in his draw, Nadal is going to make it into the final.
To the second part, I know that the QF means something, but it is not as important as the SF or F. The farther it gets into a tournament, the quality of players increase. In the SF and F, where the top 4 players of the tournament are shown--Federer has it worse. That is why I believe Nadal wouldn't switch his draw. Because even if there isn't a big chance, going against Djokovic before the finals isn't preferable.
tennisplaya
Rookie
Nole better not let everyone down by losing before the semis
True that.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
I don't think so. I think it is more wishful thinking on your part than anything else.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Not really. Djokovic has a lot of points to gain in Wimbledon and Fed has a lot of points to defend. Also I expect Djokovic to be in the finals of RG and not Fed. Lots of stuff happening in the next 6 weeks.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Darn vt, can we use maybe?
It would be a good idea to swap because he wouldn't have that many claycourters in his half. That would guarantee him being fresh for the semis. And if he had an easy time of it he would have enough reserves to get past Djokovic.
So, if I can only answer yes or no. My answer is yes.
thejoe
Hall of Fame
I still see Federer making the final at Wimbledon, and I don't see Nole making a significant enough run at Wimbledon to force it then. I can see it happening during the American hard-court season, but not as soon as Wimbledon.
grafselesfan
Banned
It is hard to say for sure. I expect Federer to reach the Wimbledon final again. However I expect Djokovic to reach the semis (where he will lose to either Federer or Nadal who are both superior on grass). Federer would need to win the final over Nadal to come close to keeping his points edge on Djokovic from last years Wimbledon. Otherwise Djokovic gains alot. Then the French, again what will happen in that semifinal.
P_Agony
Banned
So what you're saying is Federer will not reach the Wimbly final this year? You're saying Djokovic will reach the final and possibly win it?
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Finally someone with some sense. Djokovic can gain points in RG and Wimbledon. We'll see if it's enough.
P_Agony
Banned
Djokovic reached the RG semis last year. Sure, he can beat that this time by reaching the final, but let's be honest, the chances for him to win it are slim, and that's assuming he passes Federer in the semis.
As for Wimbly, true, he does have many points to win, but he can also lose points before Wimbly (he needs to reach the Halle final to make up for the Queens points he'll lose). Djokovic is yet to prove himself as a great grass player, so far his results do not fit his ranking.
After Wimbly - Djokovic will lose the points of the Olympics (way more than Federer), plus he has to defend semis at Canada and Cincy, while Federer basically has no points at all to defend at Canada and Cincy, as he lost 2nd/3rd round at each event.
I just doubt Djokovic can keep his current form until the end of the season, based on what we've seen in 2007, 2008.
Ripster
Hall of Fame
Let's be honest it's likely that Djokovic will make the Roland Garros semis the way he's been playing and I think he'll make the final. It'll be a disappointing RG for him if he doesn't at least make the semifinals.
The points he'll most likely gain from a deep Wimbledon run will more than make up for the Queen's final. He's in a good position to gain points during the grass court season.
He loses points for the Olympics....big deal, so does Nadal and Federer and the points from this tournament aren't significant in the big picture. He has QUARTERFINAL points to defend in Montreal and FINAL points to defend in Cincinnati. Not semis like you've said.
Federer has the US Open title to defend and Novak only made the semifinals so that's a good position for him to gain points as well. The only tournament title that Novak has to defend from now all the way until the end of November is the Tennis Master's Cup! After his "disappointing" summer last year I'd say he's in a great position to gain points NOT lose them.
I agree with you, although I think it will be close. The way I see it, Djoker gains ground during the grass season (if you can even call that pathetically short period of time a SEASON) whereas Fed will gain points during the hardcourt season. I think Fed can win the USOpen again, so no worries about him dropping points there. Even if he doesn't win, he'll likely make the finals (Fed at slams is really another monster), and I think his results at Cincy and Montreal will more than make up for it.
vtmike
Banned
That's a good sensible post...I don't agree with it but I like the way you put your point across without any flaming & insults...refreshing change...
tennisplaya
Rookie
tennisplaya
Rookie
vtmike
Banned
so you concede that Federer wouldn't swap his cakewalk draw? I see.
Do I think would swap his draw with Nadal? Yes he would! He has Djokovic in his half...why won't he?
tennisplaya
Rookie
hurry up with the new poll :lol:
no swap so no crying after 1/4 final loss versus Wawrinka.
Exactly. 10 chars.
All-rounder
Legend
So can federer at RG and wimbledon if he wins at either
All-rounder
Legend
He will be number 1 if he does because he then holds 3 of 4 slams including his US open title which he still is defending points from last year. If he were to just win Wimbledon or RG then he would be a couple points behind because of the master shields nadal has collected this season
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P_Agony
Banned
So you admit you were trolling in that other thread?
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
After thinking carefully about it, I'm gonna say yes. Federer's quarter is the biggest joke I've ever seen. The only difficulty in Fed's draw is Djoko. That's only one player. Now Djoko's quarter is much harder than Fed's, which means there is a chance that Djoko would either get upset before the semi or make the semi after tough matches, so not fresh. I'm gonna add to that the fact that I found Murray impressive vs Chela and having a weak quarter, in form Murray is practically guaranteed to make the semi and my final decision is yes, Nadal would be extremely lucky to have Fed's draw.
I'd like to add that if Fed can't win RG this year with the paperwrapped draw he's been gifted and everything else playing in his favor (like both Djoko and Nadal having the hardest draws), then I don't think he ever will. I mean how much better can it get for him really?
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tennisplaya
Rookie
Wheres the new poll?? Federer has a cakewalk draw. Federer wouldn't swap his draw with anyone even if they gave him and Mirka a lifetime supply of doughnuts to swap.
Netherl_krajicek
New User
Same for me. So... no!
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