WTF is one of the biggest titles in tennis

[Backspin1183]

Whether one likes it or not. It's nowhere near a Slam, but still is bigger than Masters 1000 tournaments. It's a bit silly to consider it an exho just because a favourite player does not win it.

I still maintain that WTF isn't extremely important in the grand scheme of things for Nadal even if he never wins it. But, one can't deny that it would make for an even better resume for him if he could win it.

This year was unfortunately another missed opportunity for him. His slow start against Zverev really ruined his chances. He looked good by the time he played Tsitsipas, but it was too little too late. Still this was a phenomenal year for him at his age.

 

[ChaelAZ]

All that to point out Nadal hasn’t won it. Nice string of contradictions though.


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[SamprasisGOAT]

It’s the 5th biggest tournament in world.

In the 70s and early 80s it was the 4th biggest tournament in the world.

It has more history than the Australian open.

It’s huge. It’s a big deal. It’s massive.

It dewarfs all the masters 1000 events

 

[BeatlesFan]

It’s the 5th biggest tournament in world.

In the 70s and early 80s it was the 4th biggest tournament in the world.

It has more history than the Australian open.

It’s huge. It’s a big deal. It’s massive.

It dwarfs all the masters 1000 events

All true, but many here "know better."

 

[jimjam]

^^ Hard to argue with the above. It's the 5th biggest tournament, no more, no less.

5th in terms of ATP points, at least 5th in diffculty to win (less matches than a grand slam but high quality opponents guaranteed).

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

All true, but many here "know better."

They don’t know better. They are mostly modern day clowns who know **** about tennis

 

[Backspin1183]

It’s the 5th biggest tournament in world.

In the 70s and early 80s it was the 4th biggest tournament in the world.

It has more history than the Australian open.

It’s huge. It’s a big deal. It’s massive.

It dewarfs all the masters 1000 events

It may have been that big in the past. In the last 20 years or so, the AO has become huge, joining the other Slams. WTF is not as big as it once was, but still is bigger than Masters 1000s.

 

[Third Serve]

Muh exho

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

It may have been that big in the past. In the last 20 years or so, the AO has become huge, joining the other Slams. WTF is not as big as it once was, but still is bigger than Masters 1000s.

The most pointless post I’ve ever seen

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Muh exho

Troll alert

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

It may have been that big in the past. In the last 20 years or so, the AO has become huge, joining the other Slams. WTF is not as big as it once was, but still is bigger than Masters 1000s.

And your point is?

 

[Backspin1183]

The most pointless post I’ve ever seen

You need to keep up with the evolution of tennis, boomer. Come out of your stonge age, carpet tennis era.

 

[Backspin1183]

And your point is?

We are about to enter the 2020s and no longer live in the 1970s and 1980s when WTF (YEC) was almost as big as the Slams. It still is big but not highly important title to win like it was in the past.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Agreed it's important and Nadal fans need to admit it is. Just like Ol' Rog and Joker fans need to admit the Olympics is a big deal too. I never understood why the Big 3 fanbases need to put down either tournament. Shouldn't true tennis fans want the game to grow

 

[ChrisRF]

^^ Hard to argue with the above. It's the 5th biggest tournament, no more, no less.

5th in terms of ATP points, at least 5th in diffculty to win (less matches than a grand slam but high quality opponents guaranteed).

WTF is by far easier to win than a Slam for an absolute top player who has no problems to qualify. Because he “only” has to beat 7 other top players. At a Slam he has to beat all those 7 guys either and the full field of 120 other players.

For a rather mediocre player however, a WTF win would be the most difficult, because he has to work his ass off for a whole season to maybe barely qualify and then still beat the top guys.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

We are about to enter the 2020s and no longer live in the 1970s and 1980s when WTF (YEC) was almost as big as the Slams. It still is big but not highly important title to win like it was in the past.

Okay snowflake.

 

[Backspin1183]

Okay snowflake.

 

[jimjam]

WTF is by far easier to win than a Slam for an absolute top player who has no problems to qualify. Because he “only” has to beat 7 other top players. At a Slam he has to beat all those 7 guys either and the full field of 120 other players.

For a rather mediocre player however, a WTF win would be the most difficult, because he has to work his ass off for a whole season to maybe barely qualify and then still beat the top guys.

This makes so little sense that I'm not even sure if you're joking.

 

[Steve0904]

Okay snowflake.

Using snowflake as an insult is so 2018. Get with the program, gramps.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

The easiest way to know that the exho stuff is just salt is that you know the worst Nadal trolls would start promoting its value if he wins one or two

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Using snowflake as an insult is so 2018. Get with the program, gramps.

Says the guy who literally repeated everything I said but in a less intelligent way.

 

[GabeT]

Agreed it's important and Nadal fans need to admit it is. Just like Ol' Rog and Joker fans need to admit the Olympics is a big deal too. I never understood why both Big 3 fanbases need to put down either tournament. Shouldn't true tennis fans want the game to grow

Olympics is important but in a different way. It‘s not part of the tour. Gives no points. It’s about the prestige of representing your country.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

The easiest way to know that the echo stuff is just salt is that you know the worst Nadal trolls would start promoting its value if he wine one or two

Sorry ?

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Sorry ?

phone posting with an angry baby on one arm
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[Backspin1183]

Agreed it's important and Nadal fans need to admit it is. Just like Ol' Rog and Joker fans need to admit the Olympics is a big deal too. I never understood why both Big 3 fanbases need to put down either tournament. Shouldn't true tennis fans want the game to grow

Very true. The Olympic gold medal in singles is also a big title especially now. The WTF however still a tad more important title than even the Olympic gold medal. Murray fans will be happy and proud that he won both the events.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

phone posting with an angry baby on one arm
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I know all about that.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

I know all about that.

In the past I’ve asked my wife to post for me while I hold the baby’s

 

[Steve0904]

Says the guy who literally repeated everything I said but in a less intelligent way.

Point being, using snowflake as an insult is a way for people to pretend like they're tough on the internet, but they actually have no idea how stupid it sounds to most people.

Anyway, I was mostly joking around and should've put a face or two in there somewhere. The OP @Backspin1183 is a good poster who made a good thread to say something that most Nadal fans here would never admit. And I don't see how the post he made deserved the insult you gave him.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Point being, using snowflake as an insult is a way for people to pretend like they're tough on the internet, but they actually have no idea how stupid it sounds to most people.

you’re projecting a bit here tbh it’s just a dead meme

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Point being, using snowflake as an insult is a way for people to pretend like they're tough on the internet, but they actually have no idea how stupid it sounds to most people.

Anyway, I was mostly joking around and should've put a face or two in there somewhere. The OP @Backspin1183 is a good poster who made a good thread to say something that most Nadal fans here would never admit. And I don't see how the post he made deserved the insult you gave him.

You literally copied what I said and said it in a dopey way. Sorry for picking you up on that.

 

[victorcruz]

phone posting with an angry baby on one arm
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That's nothing. Try phone posting replying to an angry baby like samprasisgoat

 

[Steve0904]

you’re projecting a bit here tbh it’s just a dead meme

If it's dead then people should stop using it.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

If it's dead then people should stop using it.

no arguments here

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

That's nothing. Try phone posting replying to an angry baby like samprasisgoat

Shots fired

 

[Tennis_Hands]

So, the OP went from "WTF is one of the biggest titles in tennis" to " It still is big but not highly important title to win like in the past"?

 

[Steve0904]

You literally copied what I said and said it in a dopey way. Sorry for picking you up on that.

If you were joking around with Backspin then I'm sorry I never picked up on it, but if not your "snowflake" insult didn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Backspin1183]

So, the OP went from "WTF is one of the biggest titles in tennis" to " It still is big but not highly important title to win like in the past"?

Not if you have won all the four Slams. It is still bigger than the Masters and Nadal winning would be great for him. But, even if he never wins it, it's not the same as not winning one of the four Slams.

 

[Backspin1183]

Point being, using snowflake as an insult is a way for people to pretend like they're tough on the internet, but they actually have no idea how stupid it sounds to most people.

Anyway, I was mostly joking around and should've put a face or two in there somewhere. The OP @Backspin1183 is a good poster who made a good thread to say something that most Nadal fans here would never admit. And I don't see how the post he made deserved the insult you gave him.

This thread was created in response to many threads created by some Nadal fans trying to diminish the importance of WTF. When you have to create so many theads about it, you (some of these Nadal fans) are obviously salty that he's never won it.

 

[Steve0904]

This thread was created in response to many threads created by some Nadal fans trying to diminish the importance of WTF. When you have to create so many theads about it, you (some of these Nadal fans) are obviously salty that he's never won it.

Yeah I had a feeling that was why it was created. Anyway, I don't want to derail it.

 

[StrongRule]

Not if you have won all the four Slams. It is still bigger than the Masters and Nadal winning would be great for him. But, even if he never wins it, it's not the same as not winning one of the four Slams.

Nadal is MASSIVELY underrated at this tournament though. I'm tired as hell from all that talk that he is "not good enough to win it". In 2006, 2007, 2010, 2013, 2015 he was only stopped by in-form Federer and Djokovic. This year he was unlucky (yes, he was) not to reach the semifinals. Too many times he skipped it due to being injured, 5 times just in this decade. He never had the luck of being healthy AND avoiding his main rivals like Federer and Djokovic eventually got in RG. (and note that they were playing RG every year, and hardly had 1 rival, forget about 2)

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

So, the OP went from "WTF is one of the biggest titles in tennis" to " It still is big but not highly important title to win like in the past"?

The dude doesn’t know what he’s saying. Check out his response to my first post. Embarrassing

 

[PrinceMoron]

It is the ultimate tournament


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[tennisaddict]

Not if you have won all the four Slams. It is still bigger than the Masters and Nadal winning would be great for him. But, even if he never wins it, it's not the same as not winning one of the four Slams.

Value of titles don’t change just because you won something else

WTF is a big gap in Nadal resume but others have gaps too - Novak has no OG , Fed never defeated Rafa at RG and so on

 

[RelentlessAttack]

In the past I’ve asked my wife to post for me while I hold the baby’s

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[Steve0904]

Personally, I don't see what the argument is about. Both SamprasisGOAT and Backspin are right. It is the 5th biggest tournament in the world today and it's a big deal, and it's a fair enough opinion to say it dwarfs all the 1000's. Maybe not 100% agreed upon, but not a terrible opinion.

And Backspin is right that the AO has surpassed it in time. So what's the argument about?

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Found it

 

[Terenigma]

It is a huge title and this year's event was one of the best to watch for me. All the greatest players in history have won it and we have possibly seen the future greats win it too in the next few years (Obviously i don't mean Dimitrov) so yeah, i agree.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Personally, I don't see what the argument is about. Both SamprasisGOAT and Backspin are right. It is the 5th biggest tournament in the world today and it's a big deal, and it's a fair enough opinion to say it dwarfs all the 1000's. Maybe not 100% agreed upon, but not a terrible opinion.

And Backspin is right that the AO has surpassed it in time. So what's the argument about?

It's cool too that its a unique format, and that you have to play 5 matches against top 8 players. Could go through an entire slam without playing one.
Should bring back the 5 set final to give it back some of the lost gravitas

 

[ChrisRF]

This makes so little sense that I'm not even sure if you're joking.

No, it makes absolutely perfect sense. Tennis is about beating fields. There is not one single reason why beating only the Top 8 should be more difficult than a full field when those Top 8 are also included in it. Everything else would be a colossal logical error.

If there are only 7 other possiblities, then it must be easier. Of course not anyone in a field of 128 is a realistic possibility, but those 7 others are in it as well AND on top of that many underdogs who could have a massive run for that single tournament.

WTF means no Soderling RG 2009, no Gonzalez AO 2007, no Nalbandian of the 2007 indoor season (who beat anyone but couldn’t qualify for WTF).

Generally it’s about who is in the draw. In tennis you not only beat players directly, but also indirectly. How it can be more difficult if important dangerous players are excluded is really beyond any logic.

 

[StrongRule]

It is a huge title and this year's event was one of the best to watch for me. All the greatest players in history have won it and we have possibly seen the future greats win it too in the next few years (Obviously i don't mean Dimitrov) so yeah, i agree.

And of course you believe RG is less important than 250 tournaments. You are so predictable. Pathetic.