WTF London 2016 RR - (Battle of the Serbs) Djokovic vs Raonic

[Poisoned Slice]

Even Madeleine Mccann has a better chance of being found than Raonic's serve in a big match. Smh.

:/

 

[Mainad]

So many chances for Milos in those 2 breakers, so many chances choked away. I don't think he believes he can ever beat Novak.

Novak successfully negotiates the only potentially tough match in his group. The remaining match against Monfils will count as a bye. Only question now is who will finish 2nd in the group. Raonic must still be the favourite for that.

 

[I Am Finnish]

So many chances for Milos in those 2 breakers, so many chances choked away. I don't think he believes he can ever beat Novak.

Novak successfully negotiates the only potentially tough match in his group. The remaining match against Monfils will count as a bye. Only question now is who will finish 2nd in the group. Raonic must still be the favourite for that.

probably goffin

 

[ultradr]

Where does Karlovic reside in this universe?

I don't know. definitely not in slam universe.

Karlovic has great serves but sorry we are discussing GOAT servers of last 200 years or so.
All seats are taken for condidates. Neither Karlovic nor Isner has candidacies...

 

[Sartorius]

Yes, that would settle it (apologies for confusing you with what I'd written earlier)

I guess you edited in time, I missed the chance to be confused. =)

 

[RF-18]

Haha funny picture

Not saying it will happen though but just for the laughs

 

[SprinkServe]

Even Madeleine Mccann has a better chance of being found than Raonic's serve in a big match. Smh.

Exceptionally tasteless comment.

You could have chosen a dozen other comparisons that would have been suitable and entertaining, but you chose to go from Zero-to-Crass in mere seconds.

Badly done.

 

[Mainad]

No. SF win would give Murray 400 points and he's already 130 points ahead of Djokovic (and that's not counting the DC points)

Murray is currently on 11,185 points. Djokovic's win today gives him another 200 points which brings him up to 10,980 which is still 205 points less than Murray.

 

[Red Rick]

it's not better than karlovic's or isner's. Or Sampras, or Goran, or Krajiceck, or Arthur's, or Roddick's. It's better than Milos "serves like Simon in big matches" RaoMUG's though.

Tbf, that wasn't a reply to you.

Yes, I take Federer's serve over Karlovic or Isner.

 

[Red Rick]

Exceptionally tasteless comment.

You could have chosen a dozen other comparisons that would have been suitable and entertaining, but you chose to go from Zero-to-Crass in mere seconds.

Badly done.

Seriously, we can't joke about something that happened like 10 years ago?

 

[Chanwan]

I don't know. definitely not in slam universe.

Karlovic has great serves but sorry we are discussing GOAT servers of last 200 years or so.
All seats are taken for condidates. Neither Karlovic nor Isner has candidacies...

Karlovic is the best in pretty much every serving metric there is. Not a fair comparison given his height, but hey - being tall helps your serve.

 

[joekapa]

Murray is currently on 11,185 points. Djokovic's win today gives him another 200 points which brings him up to 10,980 which is still 205 points less than Murray.

Murray loses 180 points from Davis Cup in a few days.

 

[jm1980]

Murray is currently on 11,185 points. Djokovic's win today gives him another 200 points which brings him up to 10,980 which is still 205 points less than Murray.

Yes, but Murray will lose 275 points when his DC points drop on the 28th

 

[Krish872007]

Murray loses 180 points from Davis Cup in a few days.

275 points.

 

[joekapa]

Karlovic is the best in pretty much every serving metric there is. Not a fair comparison given his height, but hey - being tall helps your serve.

He also seems to be a nice bloke.

 

[Gytha]

Murray loses 180 points from Davis Cup in a few days.

I think it's 275

edit: Beaten

 

[Chanwan]

Murray is currently on 11,185 points. Djokovic's win today gives him another 200 points which brings him up to 10,980 which is still 205 points less than Murray.

he'll be losing 275 DC points before the year is over, so effectively he was 130 points ahead of Novak before the WTF and is 70 points behind right now (in the year end scheme) with one match less played.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Seriously, we can't joke about something that happened like 10 years ago?

Why make a joke about something like that? Doesn't really matter when it happened.

 

[joekapa]

OK, yes 275 points.

 

[Chanwan]

He also seems to be a nice bloke.

he sure does ;-)

 

[Mainad]

Yes, but Murray will lose 275 points when his DC points drop on the 28th

If Murray goes on to win in London, that won't matter. I think he will still have enough.

 

[Tiki-Taka]

The minimal difference between Murray and Djokovic on the list alone makes this a tournament not to be missed no matter what you think about the players.

 

[Chanwan]

W/UE: 11/22 for Novak, 42/27 for Milos. Not often the guy with a 15+ differential loses to the guy with a minus 11 differential.

Anyhow, Novak fought off the challenge. Or Milos stopped challenging.

 

[Krish872007]

If Murray goes on to win in London, that won't matter. I think he will still have enough.

Yep, that's right.

Quite simply, Murray has to do better than Djokovic in this tournament - and most likely he will need to face and beat him (which is fair enough)

 

[Chanwan]

If Murray goes on to win in London, that won't matter. I think he will still have enough.

It's very simple: Whoever does best at the WTF from here on out, is the YE no. 1.
If they are in separate semifinals with Djoko having 3 wins in RR and Murray only having 2 and they both lose, then Novak is YE no. 1, because of 1 additional win (200 points).

Yep, that's right.

Quite simply, Murray has to do better than Djokovic in this tournament - and most likely he will need to face and beat him (which is fair enough)

He doesn't. Djoko has to do better than Murray. If they both have say, 2 wins in the RR and don't meet in the semis and both lose there (not sure if that scenario is possible), Murray is the YE no. 1.

 

[SprinkServe]

Seriously, we can't joke about something that happened like 10 years ago?

You can do whatever the hell you want. I don't have to like it.

 

[Red Rick]

Why make a joke about something like that? Doesn't really matter when it happened.

Because, and here it goes, we're not laughing at what happened to that girl. I'm not sitting here, thinking about a girl who went missing some decade ago and that was never found, smiling to myself. I appreciate the the connection somebody makes between Raonic' absent serving, and one of the most notorious missing cases of the 21st century. If anything, the joke is on Raonic rather than Madeleine McCann.

 

[InsideOut900]

W/UE: 11/22 for Novak, 42/27 for Milos. Not often the guy with a 15+ differential loses to the guy with a minus 11 differential.

Anyhow, Novak fought off the challenge. Or Milos stopped challenging.

Djokovic doesn't hit many clean winners this days,but he forced nearly 50 errors from Raonic.
Decent display minus the mid set meltdown in the 2nd.

 

[Meles]

Do you have any idea how useless Raonic is off the ground when he's on a bad day? He's frequently eaten bagles on bad days, solely because he's absolutely nowhere from the back of the court WHEN his serve gets returned. I bet there's a 10% difference in points won on serve after the return hit passed the service line.

You talk about last years numbers, where Fed won at least 10% more return games than Raonic. So much for detoriated ground game. There's very few players that exploit that all the time, though I give you that Fed's C game has gotten a lot worse.

Also as for clutch play, I'm not sure I count that as a serving thing alone. That's mostly mental for me. Raonic is a mental clown and when he breaks down, every part of his game breaks down. That's between his ears more than in his serve

This match was really quite bad. Pushovic pulling the legs off Roachnic one at a time in the rallies. Raonic choking according to script. Progressively worse serving by Djokovic who would have been broken three times in the 2nd if Raonic was not a choker. Faster courts this year and Djokovic could hardly hold serve. The momentum Djokovic brought into this match was lost by its end.

These two likely to make SFs out of this group.

 

[ultradr]

Karlovic is the best in pretty much every serving metric there is. Not a fair comparison given his height, but hey - being tall helps your serve.

i would agree but he hasn't played enough number of top players. just can not be in exclusive club of all time greats.

 

[Tarkovsky]

Yep, that's right.

Quite simply, Murray has to do better than Djokovic in this tournament - and most likely he will need to face and beat him (which is fair enough)

Quite the opposite: Djokovic must make more points than Murray. With same amount of points earned, Murray would be YE#1 since he had 130 YE points advantage.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

W/UE: 11/22 for Novak, 42/27 for Milos. Not often the guy with a 15+ differential loses to the guy with a minus 11 differential.

Needs to fix that by the time weekend arrives.

 

[DreddyTennis45]

Exceptionally tasteless comment.

You could have chosen a dozen other comparisons that would have been suitable and entertaining, but you chose to go from Zero-to-Crass in mere seconds.

Badly done.

I just realised how stupid it was. I know its no excuse but I am pretty wavy right now. Apologies

 

[mossi]

Only question now is who will finish 2nd in the group. Raonic must still be the favourite for that.

And pass Murray to final, again.

 

[Chanwan]

Djokovic doesn't hit many clean winners this days,but he forced nearly 50 errors from Raonic.
Decent display minus the mid set meltdown in the 2nd.

Where to you get the forced error stats from?
And yeah, def. one of Djoko's better matches for the past 5-6 months

 

[SprinkServe]

I just realised how stupid it was. I know its no excuse but I am pretty wavy right now. Apologies

Thanks for that. Let's all just talk tennis instead.

(For future reference, I've compiled a list of famous missing people/things that would have been much funnier and less...awful. Happy to share. Plus, you've given me a great idea for a Quiz Round.)

 

[Sartorius]

I can get not winning with these stats. But not even winning a set seems harsh.

 

[jm1980]

If Murray goes on to win in London, that won't matter. I think he will still have enough.

At this point basically Djokovic needs to outperform Murray to get the #1 spot (and vice versa)

 

[InsideOut900]

Where to you get the forced error stats from?
And yeah, def. one of Djoko's better matches for the past 5-6 months

Forced Errors=Total Points(85)-Clean Winners(11)-UE from Opponent(27)
So basically any point that is not a clean winner from you or unforced from opponent can be labelled as forced error

 

[Chanwan]

i would agree but he hasn't played enough number of top players. just can not be in exclusive club of all time greats.

to me, you can still be in the running for having the best serve, the best slice etc. even if you're not a top-10'er or multi-slam winner. Those are two separate things. And there's no doubt that based on the serve alone, Karlovic is pretty much in a league of his own.
And unlike Raonic at times, Karlovic does serve pretty darn well, when faced with top opposition (see his record vs. Novak for instance).

 

[Chanwan]

Forced Errors=Total Points(85)-Clean Winners(11)-UE from Opponent(27)
So basically any point that is not a clean winner from you or unforced from opponent can be labelled as forced error

Is that the official way to count them or some metric, you just came out with?

 

[Deleted member 743561]

delete

 

[InsideOut900]

Is that the official way to count them or some metric, you just came out with?

Their is no 4th category. It is either a winner,forced error or unforced.
Not an official count,but just simple math.

PS:The difference between forced and unforced can be subjective,but I am going by official stats.

 

[Red Rick]

I just realised how stupid it was. I know its no excuse but I am pretty wavy right now. Apologies

Do you mean drunk?

And here I thought you were actually funny

 

[Chanwan]

Their is no 4th category. It is either a winner,forced error or unforced.
Not an official count,but just simple math.

PS:The difference between forced and unforced can be subjective,but I am going by official stats.

I guess you're right - just getting confused cause some points do seem to end in some weird zone which is not quite encompassed in those categories. either way, night.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Because, and here it goes, we're not laughing at what happened to that girl. I'm not sitting here, thinking about a girl who went missing some decade ago and that was never found, smiling to myself. I appreciate the the connection somebody makes between Raonic' absent serving, and one of the most notorious missing cases of the 21st century. If anything, the joke is on Raonic rather than Madeleine McCann.

ok.

 

[ultradr]

to me, you can still be in the running for having the best serve, the best slice etc. even if you're not a top-10'er or multi-slam winner. Those are two separate things. And there's no doubt that based on the serve alone, Karlovic is pretty much in a league of his own.
And unlike Raonic at times, Karlovic does serve pretty darn well, when faced with top opposition (see his record vs. Novak for instance).

I agree. Karlovic's serve and his serve and volly game matured a lot last a few years.
I really think he is playing his best tennis right now at age of 37.
Too bad, you need to be that tall to play S&V these days, it seems...

 

[Chanwan]

I agree. Karlovic's serve and his serve and volly game matured a lot last a few years.
I really think he is playing his best tennis right now at age of 37.
Too bad, you need to be that tall to play S&V these days, it seems...

you got some 'smaller' players doing it too. But it's a dying art.

 

[DreddyTennis45]

Do you mean drunk?

Im so far gone I dont even know Lmaooo

And here I thought you were actually funny

Thats not nice *SAd face*

 

[Ironwood]

Gotta give kudos to Milos even though he lost two Tb's. He played very well He can clearly hang with the top two, but beating them is yet another level.