tennisislife4622
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I as well
Yonex Ezone Tour 98
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2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
The whole point of a heavy frame is to finish points earlier. If you just play super flicky tennis with it, you're right, the advantage has been lost.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Well, ok, if you are playing an equally matched, advanced, opponent or multiple, in singles, in one day, please give me some details how a 12 ish plus racket guarantees the points will be over more quickly that you won't get tired of lugging that stick around for, say, 4-5 hours of singles. Do you promise it will equal swift victories lol?
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
This is the worst troll bot response I've ever seen on these threads. Honestly, something needs to intervene here.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I'm serious, you are saying a heavy racket means quicker points because a lighter racket means you have to flick shots back and the points are longer? Without taking into account level, style of play, any variables? You are promising that if someone has a heavier racket the points will be over more quickly, well, with wins I suppose too. I'm not trolling, but if you are playing 4.5 singles and up, and your opponents are equal level, I don't think the tactic to preserve energy and win more quickly is to grab a heavier (12.5 oz and above per say) stick, not for everyone and if it helps a certain type of player, will it make a match be over, say , 30 minutes faster, an hour, 2 hours more quickly? If so, teach me, I want that!
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
OK HAL 9000, this conversation can have no legitimate purpose!
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
All right, back to the Tour talk then
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Not even, if I see your disgusting talk on here again, will crush you. That's a promise!All right, back to the Tour talk then
really dude. i mean... nothing wrong with fuzzys opinion.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Ok, now I think I am being "trolled" or fooled maybe, lol, I did take the bait though, good one.
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Sweet! So most points are decided in 5pts or less, good advice for the tour.
No racket guarantee's anything, it's up to the player. Generally speaking heavier rackets hit a heavier ball, what's hard to understand about that concept? If you're a defensive player who likes longer rallies then go with a lighter racket, if you're an offensive player who likes to keep points short go a bit on the heavier side.
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
Other than being wrong, sure
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
So, I've played, like I said, with heavy sticks, Pro Staff RF, Vcore 330, great for a doubles match, but for my serve, to really bring it in singles after about 5 hours of singles in 100 plus degree weather it just gets too heavy. The concept is that a heavy stick like those would make the points finish faster, well I serve and volley anyway, is .5 or .6 ounces going to reduce the time of winning points or the amount of strokes needed to win a point to such a degree that I'm going to notice this change? No way, I don't think there is any player out there that would have a switch from a 11.5-11.9 ounce to a 12.5 plus ounce racket and have that make a significant difference in length of matches when they are playing an evenly matched opponent. But, I do get the general concept of heavier balls, heavier rackets, etc.
Heavier racket will equal faster serves which means more aces/unreturnable serves (shorter points) assuming you can swing it, but in your case it tires you out so there's no advantage for you.
But RF 97 and Vcore 330 are much heavier rackets than the Ezone Tour, In my opinion no adult male 20-35 years old should feel a 330 gram racket is too heavy, IMO, but I guess that depends on technique. If you don't have efficient strokes you'll find these rackets heavy I suppose.
Btw why are you playing 5 hours of singles in 100 degree weather? Sounds crazy to me. Anyone would be tired after 5 hours of singles, but you don't choose your racket based on that.
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FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
You'd be surprised if I said the Tour seems heavier to me than the 330 and RF seem because they are both head light enough to trick me. I play decently with the Ezone Tour but am selling mine right now (look for it and bid on it if you like), mainly just because I don't like the balance.
Well, I grew up playing in 100 degree weather so it isn't too bad really and it's the only way I can challenge myself physically with long extreme exercise, I don't have whatever it takes mentally and probably physically to run a marathon or do long distance cycling etc., so tennis is how I can push myself further and I don't even mind it that much. I'm actually choosing my racket based on this though, whatever small advantages I lose with the weight when playing doubles or just 1 match a day I can make up for that, I don't think I'm going to lose a match based on having only an 11.5 ouncer etc. etc.
Respectivefully disagree. I hit with the Vcore 330 and like grinding out 3 hour matches at 4.5. I like the heavy racquets because they give me better control, and I can swing out without fear of overhitting like I do with a stiffer, lighter racquet. And You can still serve big with something like the 305 gram pure strike- don’t need a heavy racquet for that.
gutfeeling
Hall of Fame
Head weight (swingweight) is more important than overall static weight when it comes to power/weight of shot. That’s not to say high overall static weight doesn’t have any benefit. Weight added to the handle/throat increases recoil weight. We perceive this as increased comfort or weight of shot since it decreases ball impact shock. But really power/weight of shot is directly related to hitting weight which is increased by adding weight to the head. Adding weight to the handle may even decrease hitting weight!
rader023
Rookie
Any idea why so many paint issues? I don't have these issues on the DR or the 2018 ezone. Is this a common problem with the 2020 Ezone line?I as well
What are you disagreeing with? I said GENEREALLY SPEAKING. Obviously not one shoe size fits everyone
My 4 DRs and my V Core Pro paint jobs are very high quality. Hope it’s not a new trend with their QC.
The Black RF 97 has a lower twistweight than the Ezone Tour, 13.9 vs 14.72. Which is pretty significant. Which is probably why you feel like the Ezone Tour feels heavier.
Also heavier rackets don't give more control all things being equal, perhaps for YOU they slow down your swing making you overhit less. But heavier rackets = more power, more plow, more spin. IF you strung a 13oz racket and a 11 oz racket at the same tension. The 13oz racket would be vastly more powerful, assuming equal SW, string pattern & flex.
If you take the same racket for example the Ezone 98 (11.4 oz strung ) and Ezone 98L (10.6 oz strung) same string pattern, same SW, same flex, the Ezone 98L is less powerful.
You can't compare a flexy heavy frame like a Vcore 330 to a Pure Strike. Different type of frame with different lay-ups.
But if heavier meant more control, everyone would be using heavy rackets. Everyone has to find their middle ground
rader023
Rookie
Yes, forgot to mention me even older Yonex's like the VCORE tour 89, etc....
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I believe your results, but it's strange, how did I get lucky, I've bought and sold a Vcore HD, Ezone 98+, Vcore 330, and an Ezone Tour 98 this year without any paint issues. Maybe I was lucky or you were unlucky, who knows?
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
OK so FuzzyYellowBalls isa
Paint quality is superb on my 20 ezones.
rader023
Rookie
Have a Osaka LE Ezone 98 coming for the wife, we will see how that paint is i guess?
Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
I mean this is what I ended up doing
The top mark is literally where the red of our hardcourts has scraped into the PJ.
Have nothing even remotely similar on my Radicals which have seen far more use...
The top mark is literally where the red of our hardcourts has scraped into the PJ.
Have nothing even remotely similar on my Radicals which have seen far more use...
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
The headguard does taper away from the frame some. Do have one noticeable chip due to that.
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Deleted member 369227
Guest
Hmmm, very high quality? What DR 98 color scheme you refer to - blue or lime green? Surface layer paint on the blue version chips way too easily, on the slightest hit. Even removing a head guard tape can chip the paint, it’s that bad.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
There no damage to graphite. it looks good. it took off the paint so it might acutally make the racket more head light now. use lead to cover up that areaI mean this is what I ended up doing
The top mark is literally where the red of our hardcourts has scraped into the PJ.
Have nothing even remotely similar on my Radicals which have seen far more use...
I got two of each. Both held up great.
rader023
Rookie
I have a dr 98+ and maybe they fixed the quality but i have no chips....just a few scrapes where i am guessing my stringer slid it across something as they cannot be from playing as they are in the throat.
time_fly
Hall of Fame
A local teaching pro in our area switched to the VCORE 98 over the winter. He taught outdoors all summer long, lots of long hours in the sun, and the paint on his racquet has disintegrated. The whole racquet basically flaked and peeled down to the red base coat. It looks like it has some sort of skin disease. So clearly Yonex has some work to do on their paint process. the VCore paint seems similar for the EZones, just different colors.
achapa8807
Semi-Pro
So this racket is damn good. It reminded my why I should just stay with Yonex for good. I’ve jumped to a TF40, RF97, and PS17 but always come back to Yonex. I actually used to ho more as a junior and jump to different brands but this racket...it’s so good.
I was hitting with a few of my players at practice today during drills and boy, did it perform. I nailed returns, serves, volleys, and groundies with ease. It’s my stick of choice for right now and I’m definitely buying a second soon.
I was hitting with a few of my players at practice today during drills and boy, did it perform. I nailed returns, serves, volleys, and groundies with ease. It’s my stick of choice for right now and I’m definitely buying a second soon.
TagUrIt
Hall of Fame
I don’t know this particular teaching pro and how well he takes care of his equipment. However, I’ll say this about people and their racquets, not everyone takes care of their equipment. I store my racquets individually in a Yonex tennis bag inside of my tennis bag. I’ve seen people spin their racquets and let them drop to the ground, throw them after a miss, have 4-6 racquets in a bag side by side, frames clashing against one another, etc. I’ve seen teaching pros leave their racquets on the courts, ball carts, exposed to all the elements and subject to all types of falls off the cart. Most teaching pros racquets I’ve seen, their racquets look like they’ve been through a wood chipper. Again just my experience.
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Deleted member 369227
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I absolutely never abuse my racquets, regularly use head protection tape and keep all my racquets separated from each other in their original yonex green bags, and then in my tennis bag.
For comparison, my two Ezone Ai 98 racquets, which are two years older than DR 98s and have more "mileage" in them, do not have a single chip on the paint, just scratches here and there.
Maybe Yonex fixed the flaws in the DR painting process in the later batches, but my specific (blue) racquets are definitely prone to chipping and peeling.
For comparison, my two Ezone Ai 98 racquets, which are two years older than DR 98s and have more "mileage" in them, do not have a single chip on the paint, just scratches here and there.
Maybe Yonex fixed the flaws in the DR painting process in the later batches, but my specific (blue) racquets are definitely prone to chipping and peeling.
SinneGOAT
Hall of Fame
Well guys, I am jumping down the Yonex racquethole. I demoed the strike, blade, aero and drive, and now I’m going to try the ezone. I honestly think I may just switch to the Ezone just for the quality control and build quality, Babolat and Wilson amaze me on how bad they can screw up racquets. The only problem is NOWHERE HAS ANY DEMOS. TW, mid west, TE, none have any ezones. Sigh.
TagUrIt
Hall of Fame
That might be a clue to as how good it is! I had the Ezone 98 and just went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Tour. I have two Ezone Tours now!
Villain
Professional
The beam shape on this a basically a hexagon in the throat.
MasterZeb
Hall of Fame
Ah cheers. Sounds pretty similar with that aerodynamic philosophy. May not be for me then with me eastern grip
Villain
Professional
I think it could work. It wasn’t for me but I did like it okay. The muted feel is what I didn’t like. While the beam is a hexagon shape, it’s thinner in the throat than an APD. The beam on the Ezone does get noticeably thicker in the hoop. The string pattern on this is relatively dense and may work for you if you hit flatter.
SinneGOAT
Hall of Fame
I generally like to place a lot of lead and a heavy replacement grip(shock shield)on my racquets, do you think I should do the tour or standard ezone? I think the tour maybe, cause I can handle the extra sw, but the standard because it’s lighter in stock. Thoughts?That might be a clue to as how good it is! I had the Ezone 98 and just went ahead and pulled the trigger on the Tour. I have two Ezone Tours now!
Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
I watched that earlier.
One of my pet peeves that he did in this video, and a lot of others do, is around 7m10, where he goes: "...at around 4pts HL balance, it's definitely a head heavy racket"...
Roquestil
Semi-Pro
I watched that earlier.
One of my pet peeves that he did in this video, and a lot of others do, is around 7m10, where he goes: "...at around 4pts HL balance, it's definitely a head heavy racket"...
Well tbh it's his perspective and compared to all the racquets in that range (heavy racquets), it's on the head heavy side.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Since the reg 98 is 2 pts more headlight, has 10g less static weight and 13 unit lower SW, how does the Tour then set itself apart from a reg Ezone 98 with lead in the hoop? Is the the softer layup (64vs62)? Just asking since the reg 98 can be had much cheaper
Ezone 98 Tour:
Ezone 98:
Ezone 98 Tour:
| Strung Weight: | 332g / 11,7oz |
| Unstrung Weight: | 315g / 11,1oz |
| Balance: | 32,99cm / 4 pts HL |
| Unstrung Balance: | 32cm / 7 pts HL |
| Swingweight: | 330 |
| Stiffness: | 62 |
Ezone 98:
| Strung Weight: | 320g / 11,3oz |
| Unstrung Weight: | 305g/10,8oz |
| Balance: | 32,39cm / 6 pts HL |
| Unstrung Balance: | 31,5cm/9 pts HL |
| Swingweight: | 317 |
| Stiffness: | 64 |
Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
I understand what he's trying to say, but my issue (and it's not just him) is that people are confusing relative statements vs. absolute statements, i.e. "it's a more head heavy racket" vs. "it's a head heavy racket".
