AceSalvo
Legend
Then on the same lines Safin was, Roddick was, Hewitt was, Nadal was Fed's not so great rivals between 2004 - 2007.
All of them got to meet Fed multiple times across all slams.
Out of Federers 17 GS..
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Then on the same lines Safin was, Roddick was, Hewitt was, Nadal was Fed's not so great rivals between 2004 - 2007.
All of them got to meet Fed multiple times across all slams.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
You're being pretty hypocritical. 28 year old Djokovic beat 34 year old Federer in 4 sets against a very pro Federer crowd at the USO last year. How you are trying to somehow imply that Federer playing Agassi in a pro Agassi crowd is different is beyond me. Federer was 24 years old playing a guy 11 years his senior who had needed Cortizone injections to even compete but needed 5 sets to win. Being that someone is trying to say Djokovic should be ashamed of losing to Federer is crazy since Federer was #2 in the world and in great physical shape with virtually no injuries. Even so, Djokovic is still winning the most important matches that they play and Djokovic had a wrist injury in 2014 Monte Carlo. Also, he is only 6 years younger than Federer compared to Federer being 11 years younger than Agassi. Federer should have been dusting off a guy that much older than him because of the physical advantage.
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Nice find OP. This just shows how overrated is really Federer.
This just shows how overrated Federer really is.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Djokovic deals better with no support because it happens to him all the time, Federer was shell shocked that he wasn't the crowd favorite in all of his matches.
Federer was at his peak in his mid 20's while Djokovic is at his peak in his late 20's. Yes, no? Yes no?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
That's a pretty weak rebuttal. It was not a rarity for Federer at that time.
Regardless of when they are in their peaks or not, Federer had almost double the advantage than Djokovic had against him because of age and being a ripe and athletic 24 years old. There is no way to turn it around and say with credibility that Federer somehow was at more of a disadvantage.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Sob stories coming in plenty...Unimportant matches , pro Fed crowd, DJok wrist injury
Fed did not lose a single match after 21 against Agassi and went from 0-3 to 8-3 in h2h
And Novak needed Fed to reach almost 35 to get the h2h which may again be in jeopardy if they meet at Cinci, Shanghai this year.
Novak has lost 13 times since 2010 to Fed and 6 times just the last two years.
I just cannot fathom a 12 major winner getting their rear handed time and time again at the hands of a 33/34 year old .
Fed did not lose a single match after 21 against Agassi and went from 0-3 to 8-3 in h2h
And Novak needed Fed to reach almost 35 to get the h2h which may again be in jeopardy if they meet at Cinci, Shanghai this year.
Novak has lost 13 times since 2010 to Fed and 6 times just the last two years.
I just cannot fathom a 12 major winner getting their rear handed time and time again at the hands of a 33/34 year old .
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Sob stories like mono, right?
They played their next match when Federer was 22 and Agassi was...33.5. Just to put into perspective, everyone was calling Federer Grandfatherer at 31, and Sampras was long retired before that age when Agassi first lost to Federer.
Because Novak played Roger more in his prime, than Roger played Agassi in his. In fact majority of the matches between Roger and Andre happened when Agassi was 33.5 years old and Roger was in his prime, not the other way round. Novak played Roger, who is the GOAT in the tail end of his peak and his prime years. Big difference.
Because Federer is the widely acclaimed GOAT, and a far better player than Agassi could be.
A 33/34 who is the most prolific champion and likely the GOAT of mens tennis. This isn't some ham n' egger that has been beating Djokovic.
uliks
Banned
LOl Novak won almost every important match in the last 5 years. Dubai, Cincinnati lol even Mirka doesn't care for those anymore.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
I created a thread before and the title was Fed never won a GS final against Djokodal since 2008. Every fed fan was so bummed reading that.
But all the other finalists he met were greater than Djokodal, so he played and won in a ultra strong era consisting of Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Blake, Baghdatis, Phillipoussis, Fernando gonzalez
But all the other finalists he met were greater than Djokodal, so he played and won in a ultra strong era consisting of Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Blake, Baghdatis, Phillipoussis, Fernando gonzalez
Noelan
Legend
Good old federerer fanboys with age and match up excuse.They never get tired of that . Two simple arguments
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Let's just see how Djokovic does in his 30s.
Federer had a 6 years prime (slightly more, TMC 03 - AO 10), Nadal had an about six years prime (clay season 08 - clay season 14), 2017 should be interesting for Djokovic - it would be monumental if he manages to extend his prime, though.
I don't like holding pre/post-prime losses in as high esteem as prime losses.
The reason Djokovic bad losses are given so much flak by some is that they happen right during his prime/peak. Giving significance to the numerous bad losses of pre-2011 Djokovic is silly, although real haters don't seem to know that, but why bother? Just screw 'em.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Look how far we've come
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Djokovic is losing to a player of caliber Sam Querrey on the CYGS run and here we are questioning why old Fed didnt beat Nadal or Novak in a major final ?
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Still haven't caught up to RF-17, then?
Borovic would be lucky to win 1 slam if his peak was 03-08 (and he did win 1)
Safin was about 10x the player Borovic is/was. Nalbandian, Roddick, Hewitt all better too. And of course Nadul goes without saying.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I'll be happy if he catches up to RN-15
GOATerer didn't meet Borovic in as many finals because Borovic was busy losing to golden era players such as Roddick, Safin and Haas while GOATerer was dispatching genuine greats like Roddick and Nadul for his wimby titles.
04 Roddick or 05 Safin would have cleaned up today's era full of mugs and pushers / defensive ball bashers.
04 Roddick or 05 Safin would have cleaned up today's era full of mugs and pushers / defensive ball bashers.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
Let's just see how Djokovic does in his 30s.
Federer had a 6 years prime (slightly more, TMC 03 - AO 10), Nadal had an about six years prime (clay season 08 - clay season 14), 2017 should be interesting for Djokovic - it would be monumental if he manages to extend his prime, though.
I don't like holding pre/post-prime losses in as high esteem as prime losses.
The reason Djokovic bad losses are given so much flak by some is that they happen right during his prime/peak. Giving significance to the numerous bad losses of pre-2011 Djokovic is silly, although real haters don't seem to know that, but why bother? Just screw 'em.
And who cares? Djokoer fans fans just chin up and take losses unlike Federer fans who always have been giving age excuse since 2008 (yes, that's right he was 26 then and 3 years younger than current Djokovic). But really who cares?
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
Yeah, yeah we know we know. That's why is mopping the floors of ATG hall of fame with 2 slams and Djoker is sadly at 12 slams.
Yes because Safin came up against GOATerer an other golden age of tennis (03-10) players such as Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Nalbandian, Nadul etc
If GOATerer was playing in 11-16 he would have cleaned up 12-14 slams in this period with Nadul picking up a couple of FO titles but GOATerer would win 14-16 Roland Garros.
Heck, GOATerer past his prime in 2011 was still smashing Borovic in most games (FO semi, US open semi) it was only the utmost level of grinding / ball bashing that fluked Djokovic the 2011 US semi same as 2010.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
yeah, like chico, lol.
There are rotten apples everywhere, their percentage is the question.
I have observed that Djokobois have become the most vocal on most forums of the three turd groups, since their fave has been dominating. TTW is a nice exception, since the moderation leans somewhat pro-Fedal, hence the spread is quite even.
...It's time someone got the job done on that obvious "kingroger" account.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
The dumbest thing about this is how @tennisaddict and his pals like to act like Fed smashed Djokovic before he got old, but the H2H was only 16-13 in Fed's favor from 2006 to 2012... A relatively fair period from pre-prime Djokovic to late-prime Federer (Fed won a Slam and was #1 in 2012)...
Alternatively if we go from Djokovic's first Slam to Fed's last Slam (AO 2008 - W 2012) then it's 11-10 Djokovic...
Claiming Fed dominated Djokovic all along is farcical. This rivalry was mostly competitive, unlike Fed vs his pigeons
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Jaitock1991
Hall of Fame
I agree with you TBH..
We both know that GOATerer won those US open semis in 10/11. Borovic just ball bashed and pushed past Past Peak Rog and got lucky.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed was by far the better player than Borovic in 2011 as proven by the FO and USO semis.
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Weak against his biggest rival before 2008 on clay.
I'm a huge fan of Rafa, but what you are saying simply is not correct or fair.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
LMAO a semi Fed lost proves he's a better player?
Also
Slams won by Djokovic in 2011: 3
Slams won by Federer in 2011: 0
Djokovic's YE ranking in 2011: #1
Federer's YE ranking in 2011: #3
LMAO a semi Fed lost proves he's a better player?
Also
Slams won by Djokovic in 2011: 3
Slams won by Federer in 2011: 0
Djokovic's YE ranking in 2011: #1
Federer's YE ranking in 2011: #3
Times Borovic outplayed GOATerer: 0
Times the master outclassed the defensive pusher: 2x in slams
AU = 25% of a US open title and 10% of a wimby title which Borovic ball bashed to victory vs another ball basher / moon baller in Nadul (lucky that GOATerer had illness on his match so he lost early)
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah. Special is one word for him.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Hahaha okay
Here are some other matches where Federer also outclassed the defensive pushers:
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Yeah I don't care about any of that
Nadul is the clay GOAT thanks to standing 2 metres behind the baseline and launching moon balls at GOATerers backhand. 06 GOATerer was better. 14/15 GOATerer was better but Borovic did his grindy pusher thing as usual and GOATerer is naturally older.
17>14>12
GOAT GRASS HARDCOURT US OPEN AUS OPEN (all post 07 AO titles are worthless and yes that includes 2010 as they've now on a garbage surface) 2nd GOAT clay GOAT Indoor.
GOATerer the best there ever will be even if Borovic pushes his way to 30 slams vs mugs and pigeons like Murray and berdych
Nadul is the clay GOAT thanks to standing 2 metres behind the baseline and launching moon balls at GOATerers backhand. 06 GOATerer was better. 14/15 GOATerer was better but Borovic did his grindy pusher thing as usual and GOATerer is naturally older.
17>14>12
GOAT GRASS HARDCOURT US OPEN AUS OPEN (all post 07 AO titles are worthless and yes that includes 2010 as they've now on a garbage surface) 2nd GOAT clay GOAT Indoor.
GOATerer the best there ever will be even if Borovic pushes his way to 30 slams vs mugs and pigeons like Murray and berdych
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Fed was done by AO 2010. Nothing left to prove by that time.
He did one last hurrah to shut down the Novak hype of 2011 by showing him the door at RG and 2012 Wimb and by becoming No 1 one final time right in the midst of Nadal, Novak, Murray being in their peak form at age 24-26, showing the world one more time the gulf in talent between him and the rest. 2012 was to just prove the idiots wrong .
13-6 reflects the real h2h. Fed wins 2 out of 3 matches on tour with Novak. We don't need any research for that . Mere eye test will attest to that
90's Clay
Banned
Obviously not surprising. Fed feasted on mug sandwiches forever. But when faced with legitimate competition in their primes he was horribly exposed on the big stage under pressure against players with the same ability/talent as him.
Fed was only comfortable as a front runner vs. less talented players.
Fed was only comfortable as a front runner vs. less talented players.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
LOL, the level of purposeful dishonesty is another level. It's not Federer's fault he was always drawn to meet Djovack is Semis instead of Final. If Djovack was any better early on, he'd have taken over Nadal and then Fed would've beaten him in finals instead.
A guy who goes crying to Becker because he's losing to friggin Querry and can't think of a way out is NOT GOAT material. Deal with it.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Hahahahaha
Multiple matches against pre-prime Djokovic... More matches against 2010 Slumpovic...13-6 is literally the worst point in their rivalry... Interesting how that coincidentally reflects the "real" H2H. Nope, not biased at all
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Wrong. You're thinking of Borovic and his numerous mugs/pigeons (Berdych, Murray, Gasquet, Tsonga, nishikori, dimitrov) who he ball bashes into submission in 3 easy sets meaning he has full energy for the finals vs GOATerer (who then outclasses him but loses his stamina)
GOATerer had to overcome golden era legends such as Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Nadul, Nalbandian, Davydenko for his slams and all of those guys woul ls destroy Borovic in this pathetic weak era where a defensive pusher mug like Murray can win Wimbledon.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Defensive pusher mug who had a winning H2H against Fed for the longest time
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh no you didn'tLOL, the level of purposeful dishonesty is another level. It's not Federer's fault he was always drawn to meet Djovack is Semis instead of Final. If Djovack was any better early on, he'd have taken over Nadal and then Fed would've beaten him in finals instead.
Did the AO change to a non-HC surface post 2007?
"2nd GOAT clay"
"GOAT indoor"
Nope it changed to painfully slow mug pusher surface that is the antithesis of all court all round offensive tennis which devalued the AO.
And with no Nadul to stop him, GOATerer would've won 6 FO titles at least. It's just Nadul was and is a freak on clay with his banana moon balls bouncing high off the clay and his 2 metres standing behind the base line running fast side to side. GOATerer would've smashed any of those clay players at RG as he is the 2nd best clay player ever and GOAT hard/Wimby/grass/USO/AO/indoor
Defensive pusher mug who had a winning H2H against Fed for the longest time
Rog has the better H2H prime for prime and was FAR better than Borovic in 2007-2012.
Borovic now has better stamina which is why GOATerer can't sustain his godly level of play over 5 sets which has inflate Borovic's numbers despite being thouroughly outplayed in all aspects of tennis in 14-15.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
LMAO
This is what happened the one time he actually played one of those players at RG when said player was already past his prime:
Oh no you didn't
GOAT 17 Grand slams best ever at Wimbledon US open and AU open and 2nd best at FO in terms of playing level.
Looks like you're the one crying too over the fact that Roger is the king of tennis and Borovic is a weak era mug.
I have respect for Nadul because he overcame prime GOATerer with an admittedly boring moonball stand behind baseline by 2m and run fast side to side style.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
What was Rogie's H2H prime for prime vs "defensive pusher mug" Murray?
GOATerer didn't reach top 2 GOAT clay playing level till 2006. He just came up against an invincible GOAT tier opponent who can't be beaten on Clay without injury or decline.
Borovic playing in 2004-2007 wouldn't win one slam. And only won 08 thanks to Mono.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
This thread is too good... @KINGROGER , @tennisaddict , @tennis_pro all showing how classy Fed fans can be, just like their idol
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