Out of Federers 17 GS..

[tennisaddict]

Hahahahaha Multiple matches against pre-prime Djokovic... More matches against 2010 Slumpovic...

13-6 is literally the worst point in their rivalry... Interesting how that coincidentally reflects the "real" H2H. Nope, not biased at all

Novak reached 2 SF and 1 Final in the year 2007. He is in pre-prime for 4 years ? What is he ? A "tank" engine that needed primed for ever ?

 

[KINGROGER]

You already been owned son best to go to bed and sleep this one off

#Bestplayerever
#GOATerer
#17

 

[jm1980]

Novak reached 2 SF and 1 Final in the year 2007. He is in pre-prime for 4 years ? What is he ? A "tank" engine that needed primed for ever ?

Remind me what Federer was doing at 19/20

The fact that a pre-prime Djokovic was able to reach 2 SF and 1 F speaks volumes about the strength of that era

 

[tennisaddict]

This thread is too good... @KINGROGER , @tennisaddict , @tennis_pro all showing how classy Fed fans can be, just like their idol

Instead of pointing fingers at us, direct it towards OP for a troll bait thread.

 

[tennisaddict]

Remind me what Federer was doing at 20

Fed didn't do much. While Novak was already great by 20. Just a shade inferior to Rafa.

 

[jm1980]

Instead of pointing fingers at us, direct it towards OP for a troll bait thread.

looks at OP's name

laughs

 

[jm1980]

GOATerer didn't reach top 2 GOAT clay playing level till 2006. He just came up against an invincible GOAT tier opponent who can't be beaten on Clay without injury or decline.

Borovic playing in 2004-2007 wouldn't win one slam. And only won 08 thanks to Mono.

Excuserer

 

[KINGROGER]

Remind me what Federer was doing at 19/20

The fact that a pre-prime Djokovic was able to reach 2 SF and 1 F speaks volumes about the strength of that era

That same era where Borovic was frequently slapped around the court by golden age (04-10) greats such as Safin, Roddick and Haas. And of course GOATerer and Nadul.

As soon as GOATerer gets mono/injury/old/illness and Nadul declines Borovic accumulates 6 slams in a couple of years vs a field of pushers / mugs and pigeons such as Murray berdych dimitrov Gasquet etc in the weakest era tennis has ever seen

04-10 golden era is strongest tennis field ever. And GOATerer dominated it that's why he is the GOAT with Nadul 3rd behind GOATerer and Sampras.

 

[KINGROGER]

It says it all how pathetically weak this 14-16 mug era is when Gramperer (the GOAT) can still reach finals easily without breaking a sweat despite playing his worst tennis in years (non existent BH, less effective FH)

Of course he's going to lose to Borovic's grindy heavily defensive ball bashing pusher style and prime stamina levels. But his GOATness allows him to destroy all the mugs in the field.

Gramperer / Old erer would not win a single slam in 2004-2007 (sub him in for GOATerer) and neither would peak Borovic.

 

[jm1980]

That same era where Borovic was frequently slapped around the court by golden age (04-10) greats such as Safin, Roddick and Haas. And of course GOATerer and Nadul.

As soon as GOATerer gets mono/injury/old/illness and Nadul declines Borovic accumulates 6 slams in a couple of years vs a field of pushers / mugs and pigeons such as Murray berdych dimitrov Gasquet etc in the weakest era tennis has ever seen

04-10 golden era is strongest tennis field ever. And GOATerer dominated it that's why he is the GOAT with Nadul 3rd behind GOATerer and Sampras.

Pre-prime Djokovic's losses against Safin, Roddick, and Haas in 2004-2010: 9 total
Prime Federer's losses against Nadal in 2004-2010: 14 total

And huge LOL at H2H... Djokovic has a losing H2H against 7 or 8 players; Federer on the other hand has a losing H2H against 23 or so different guys

 

[Deleted member 307496]

What was Rogie's H2H prime for prime vs "defensive pusher mug" Murray?

Matters little - how well is he doing against him now in the H2H?

 

[KINGROGER]

GOATerers Nadal losses are heavily clay skewed in that period. He is still the best player ever.

You didn't refute my point either. Peak Borovic would not win a single slam if his peak was 03-08 as the field was about 10 X stronger than today's mug pusher era and he only won 08 as 1. GOATerer had mono and 2. Back then he was actually a bit better player as he went for more offensive shots until he regressed into robot Borovic.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

This thread is too good... @KINGROGER , @tennisaddict , @tennis_pro all showing how classy Fed fans can be, just like their idol

@KINGROGER is a troll. Previously they disguised themselves as a Djoko-troll, now they've joined as a Fed troll..

 

[KINGROGER]

@KINGROGER is a troll. Previously they disguised themselves as a Djoko-troll, now they've joined as a Fed troll..

You are mistaken, sir. I am not a fan of ball bashing defensive pushers who win most of their slams in a weak era of pushers mugs and pigeons.

 

[jm1980]

@KINGROGER is a troll. Previously they disguised themselves as a Djoko-troll, now they've joined as a Fed troll..

Different troll methodology... The other one pretended to be a Djokovic fan while every one of his posts bashed Djokovic... This one is actually praising Fed

 

[tennisaddict]

Remind me what Federer was doing at 19/20

The fact that a pre-prime Djokovic was able to reach 2 SF and 1 F speaks volumes about the strength of that era

The actual fact is Djokovic was an early bloomer , just like Rafa, reaching SF-SF-F-W in 4 majors starting FO 2007.

But Fed and Rafa were simply way better than him EVERY single time till AO 2010.

Hence the 13-6 beating both laid on Novak.

Fed's decline coincided with Djok raising his level . However this 2.0 is all media hype. In reality , it is more like a 1.1 version.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Different troll methodology... The other one pretended to be a Djokovic fan while every one of his posts bashed Djokovic... This one is actually praising Fed

Not at all.. (I may be wrong here so I wouldn't go reporting this guy or anything) but he seems awfully similar to someone else who I genuinely believe likes Djokovic and told me he'd "come back as a Fed fan".

 

[Deleted member 307496]

You are mistaken, sir. I am not a fan of ball bashing defensive pushers who win most of their slams in a weak era of pushers mugs and pigeons.

We will see but give Novak a little credit, he'd be winning slams in 2004-2007 too - probably as much as now without Fed, but with Fed I think it could be an even 50/50 split.

 

[KINGROGER]

This is my first time using this site and I am here to show my appreciation for the greatest tennis player of all time - Roger Federer. Whilst discussing tennis in general, in a mature manner.

 

[tennisaddict]

Not at all.. (I may be wrong here so I wouldn't go reporting this guy or anything) but he seems awfully similar to someone else who I genuinely believe likes Djokovic and told me he'd "come back as a Fed fan".

Djokerer or Assjoker or some id like that.

 

[KINGROGER]

We will see but give Novak a little credit, he'd be winning slams in 2004-2007 too - probably as much as now without Fed, but with Fed I think it could be an even 50/50 split.

He'd get destroyed by the likes of Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Davydenko and of course Nadul. And he did - in 2007-2010 these guys owned him even though he was an early bloomer (Nadul won multiple slams in the same period). Wouldn't win 1 AO with the old fast green surface.

Won most of his slams in this weak pusher era of mugs and pigeons. 03-09 GOATerer would win every slam going from 14 Wimby - 16 Wimby without dropping a set to give you an idea of how weak today's era is compared to the golden age of 03-10.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

He'd get destroyed by the likes of Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Davydenko and of course Nadul. And he did - in 2007-2010 these guys owned him even though he was an early bloomer (Nadul won multiple slams in the same period). Wouldn't win 1 AO with the old fast green surface.

Won most of his slams in this weak pusher era of mugs and pigeons. 03-09 GOATerer would win every slam going from 14 Wimby - 16 Wimby without dropping a set to give you an idea of how weak today's era is compared to the golden age of 03-10.

Djokovic is a different player today. I don't think he'd get destroyed by any of those guys, not even Roger at his peak. But he'd have the most trouble with Fed IMO, although I think they'd split the H2H.

 

[NoleFam]

The actual fact is Djokovic was an early bloomer , just like Rafa, reaching SF-SF-F-W in 4 majors starting FO 2007.

But Fed and Rafa were simply way better than him EVERY single time till AO 2010.

Hence the 13-6 beating both laid on Novak.

Fed's decline coincided with Djok raising his level . However this 2.0 is all media hype. In reality , it is more like a 1.1 version.

You try so hard to solve the Djoker riddle but just cannot quite figure it out. Djokovic's peak levels have come in waves. In some ways, it reminds me of Serena's trajectory. Beats a formidable field to win their 1st Slam and then hover in the top 5 for 3 years, beating top players and getting to the latter stages of Slams but not quite hitting their full potential yet. Then out of nowhere...Bang! Takes over the sport in two of the most dominant runs ever seen. Their level drops a bit, for different reasons, and struggle with their premier rival but still are able to bag a few Slams. Then take over and start dominating again. It remains to be seen if he can dominate well into his 30's like she did. You need to stop living in 2010 because that was 6 years ago. You are holding on to this unrealistic fantasy that Federer would dominant Djokovic at his top level and you are delusional. Thinking that two players who had a 6 year and 2 year headstart would be winning against him all the time just because they once had a 13-6 advantage is beyond wishful thinking.

 

[KINGROGER]

It's a simple riddle really. Gramperer got injured and declined, Nadul also got injured and declined. Then bam Borovic wins half his slams in the weakest era in tennis history, beating a field that includes Gramperer, his pigeons berdych, Murray, nishikori and dimitrov and washed up Nadul.

14/15 GOATerer / Old Gramperer is outclassing prime Borovic in those finals but losing because of a poor break point conversion stat and lack of stamina. Peak 03-09 GOATerer smashes peak Djokovic and it isn't pretty either it's straight sets.

It's delusional and wishful thinking to actually believe that peak Djokovic is anywhere near 04-07 GOATerer. Especially when Gramperer is outplaying him but throwing the match away with UFE and not converting easy BP chances.

 

[AngryBirds]

If Federer had retired like most players at around age 31, after Wimbledon 2012, he'd have a decent 6-5 slam record against Djoker.

The fact that Fed loves the game too much and wanted to hang around post his prime irrespective of results is now a blemish against him ?

He risks his own legacy by continuing to play. That's why many people said he should have retired after Wimbledon 2012.

 

[mika1979]

Sure everything's open to discussion, but when have you ever discussed something positive about Fed? Every thread I've seen you make about Fed has been about his supposed weak competition, his failure to beat his rivals, his missing parts of his résumé, or something else. I have never once seen you say something positive about Fed, yet you still call yourself a fan. And when it comes to Djokovic "discussions", all of a sudden you're saying "when will people respect him", "he is the undisputed GOAT", all the time. You so obviously have an agenda, so don't even try to brand this as "discussion".

Positive discussions are a lot less interesting than negative ones.

 

[jm1980]

@KINGROGER is an Arabic commentator:

 

[Tony48]

It's a simple riddle really. Gramperer got injured and declined, Nadul also got injured and declined. Then bam Borovic wins half his slams in the weakest era in tennis history, beating a field that includes Gramperer, his pigeons berdych, Murray, nishikori and dimitrov and washed up Nadul.

14/15 GOATerer / Old Gramperer is outclassing prime Borovic in those finals but losing because of a poor break point conversion stat and lack of stamina. Peak 03-09 GOATerer smashes peak Djokovic and it isn't pretty either it's straight sets.

It's delusional and wishful thinking to actually believe that peak Djokovic is anywhere near 04-07 GOATerer. Especially when Gramperer is outplaying him but throwing the match away with UFE and not converting easy BP chances.

Whose double account is this?

 

[swordtennis]

@KIN
[MEDIA=youtube]9nTsaoYGlqY[/MEDIA]

"I have always wanted to sneak into the locker room and look at Federer."
omg total FedFans.
This is priceless lmao!

 

[mike danny]

Remind me what Federer was doing at 19/20

The fact that a pre-prime Djokovic was able to reach 2 SF and 1 F speaks volumes about the strength of that era

The fact that Becker won a slam at 17 and defended it at 18 speaks volumes of that era.

The fact that Mac won a slam at 20 speaks volumes of that era.

The fact that Fed reached back to back slam finals at 34 speaks volumes of this era. The fact that he hasn't lost before the semis in the last 4 majors he's played speaks volumes of this era.

The fact that Rafa is still in the top 4, despite not reaching a slam semi for 2 years speaks volumes of this era.

The fact that Rafa is still in the top 4 with his last 4 slam results being 2nd round, 3rd round, 1st round and 3rd round speaks volumes of this era

 

[mike danny]

This thread is such a fail. Not Roger's fault him and Djokovic played only one slam final before 2014.

 

[tennis_pro]

This thread is too good... @KINGROGER , @tennisaddict , @tennis_pro all showing how classy Fed fans can be, just like their idol

what? :/

what boo boo did I do to you?

 

[tennis_pro]

This thread is such a fail. Not Roger's fault him and Djokovic played only one slam final before 2014.

Djokovic beats old Federer - legit.
Federer beats a young Djokovic - weak era.

 

[Tenisfan3]

A post that has nothing to do with the threadnor something that is pointed at by me
. And look who liked the post. Lmao.

Brother, your OP has everything to do with the post you quoted. Don't let these Federer fans change your opinion. You support arguably the most honest sportsman of all time just like I do : Novak Djokovic. Let's fight the good fight! One day these Federer fans will realise that Djokovic is the BOAT and that he has no weakness whatsoever. Peak Federer lost in Wimbledon 2014 and 2015, that much is clear....just like peak Djokovic lost to Peak Querry at Wimbledon 2016.

 

[moonballs]

Djokovic had to wait until Federer was a Grandfather before he could beat him in Wimbledon finals.

Damn...

 

[Tenisfan3]

This thread is too good... @KINGROGER , @tennisaddict , @tennis_pro all showing how classy Fed fans can be, just like their idol

As Djokovic fans, we should not talk about class and idols. I am a bigger Novak fan than you and it hurts me to say it but it is the truth. Novak is a known:

1)Time violator who intimidates officials when they enforce the rule 1 in every 100 times.
2)Fake MTO taker
3)Ball boy abuser
4)Abuses crowds in languages they don't understand
5)Fake personality

Etc. victor brother, I think you have a lot to learn from @RF-18 when it comes to learning how to be objective.

 

[Noleberic123]

Damn...

Djokovic has beaten Federer every year starting 2007. Damn....

 

[Noleberic123]

As Djokovic fans, we should not talk about class and idols. I am a bigger Novak fan than you and it hurts me to say it but it is the truth. Novak is a known:

1)Time violator who intimidates officials when they enforce the rule 1 in every 100 times.
2)Fake MTO taker
3)Ball boy abuser
4)Abuses crowds in languages they don't understand
5)Fake personality

Etc. victor brother, I think you have a lot to learn from @RF-18 when it comes to learning how to be objective.

But your not a bigger Novak fan than me

 

[Tenisfan3]

But your not a bigger Novak fan than me

I doubt it. I don't think it is possible for anyone to be a bigger Novak fan than I am.

 

[Noleberic123]

I doubt it. I don't think it is possible for anyone to be a bigger Novak fan than I am.

It is. Because I am

 

[Tenisfan3]

It is. Because I am

I am a bigger Novak fan than even Jelena and Boris.

 

[Noleberic123]

I am a bigger Novak fan than even Jelena and Boris.

So am I.

 

[uliks]

Thanks OP once again for the objective analysis and all the data in this thread. I always sense something is wrong with Fed's slam count, but I never thought someone's slam numbers can be skewed by this magnitude before. So the guy is basically 7-8 slam winner at best, if not for the pis poor competition from 2003-2007. And he is overrated as hell by the media. Damn.

 

[RF-18]

Brother, your OP has everything to do with the post you quoted. Don't let these Federer fans change your opinion. You support arguably the most honest sportsman of all time just like I do : Novak Djokovic. Let's fight the good fight! One day these Federer fans will realise that Djokovic is the BOAT and that he has no weakness whatsoever. Peak Federer lost in Wimbledon 2014 and 2015, that much is clear....just like peak Djokovic lost to Peak Querry at Wimbledon 2016.

No, where does it indicate in my op that Novak is a better grass courter than roger cause of the h2h between them on grass?

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

I have not read any comment , will going to say one thing defeating anybody counts in slam final. If any opponent has reached slam final , he was playing well, you should see Bag in 2006 AO, He took a set and was a break up before loosing.
His draw in 2004 AO, Us open and then in 2005 AO, us open was tough. Hell even in weak competition year of 2007 , he went through goating Roddick and Novak in us open.

 

[Tony48]

Novak reached 2 SF and 1 Final in the year 2007. He is in pre-prime for 4 years ? What is he ? A "tank" engine that needed primed for ever ?

You are now on the record as suggesting that reaching 2 SF and a final = someone's prime

2015/beginning of 2016 is Federer's prime. (F, F, SF)

 

[tennisaddict]

You are now on the record as suggesting that reaching 2 SF and a final = someone's prime

2015/beginning of 2016 is Federer's prime. (F, F, SF)

No, it has been established by ********* that Fed's stats showed that he was at his peak in 2015. Not prime.

 

[jm1980]

No, it has been established by ********* that Fed's stats showed that he was at his peak in 2015. Not prime.

No Djokovic fan would seriously believe Fed was at his peak or even prime in 2015

Some may do it to get a rise out of you though

 

[Tony48]

No, it has been established by ********* that Fed's stats showed that he was at his peak in 2015. Not prime.

The subject is your logic, not someone else's. And according to your logic, reaching those rounds in slams indicates that someone is in their prime.

 

[tennisaddict]

No Djokovic fan would seriously believe Fed was at his peak or even prime in 2015

Some may do it to get a rise out of you though

I guess you are selectively blind. Ask you friend ND-13