Is 2017 going to be a weaker year than 2006 and 2015?

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

Sabratha said:
Yeah when Fed was in his 30s.

When did Hewitt/Roddick have the chance to take on Fed at the same junction at THEIR peaks?

Peak Federer would take a dump on Berdych so large it wouldn't be funny. He was a joke and when he beat Federer it was usually because he was playing like crap.

Next.

Mehh... Roddick/Hewitt wouldn't even of beaten Fed in his 30s in a best of 5. Berdych sure could though

Next..

DreddyTennis45 · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Good enough to beat Fed at 1-2 slams. They couldn't. Even at their PEAKS

Yeah that's because Fed was at his peak too, come on. He only really won those matches because Fed was playing absolute crap. When Fed actually plays well he destroys Berdych (see AO 2017)

killerboi2 · Mar 20, 2017

Could be. I mean 2015 was seriously bad though. Mauresmo's Murray finishing as no2 despite constantly losing to top players. 2006 - Fed's usual no mark lackeys and Nadal still too young to do anyting outside French Open. It's pretty close either way.

abmk · Mar 20, 2017

DreddyTennis45 said:
Yeah that's because Fed was at his peak too, come on. He only really won those matches because Fed was playing absolute crap. When Fed actually plays well he destroys Berdych (see AO 2017)

even RG 06, wim 06 ( AO 08 to a lesser extent, AO 16 as well ) ...all straight set wins for fed ...

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

Are people really trying to build up post 2003-2005 Roddick here? Good lord.

Look Roddick was good under the tutelage of Gilbert. But it pretty much all downhill from there outside his FLUKE Wimbledon run in '09

KINGROGER · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
I said post 03-05 Roddick who hit the downhill slide real quickly. Taking a set of Federer? Ohhh... Berdych has BEAT Fed twice at the slams I think (Without looking it up). Roddick couldn't beat Fed at a slam if you gave him 10 tries and a 2 set lead every time. He would have found a way to booger it up.

Not a chance in hell would Berdych beat peak Federer. And Roddick most certainly could've took post prime Fed at a slam. That's when he got most of his success.

abmk · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Mehh... Roddick/Hewitt wouldn't even of beaten Fed in his 30s in a best of 5. Berdych sure could though

Next..

Hewitt beat federer in DC 03 in Bo5 in late 2003 , when he was playing better than he was in wim 10/USO 12 vs berdych ..

roddick in 09 final nearly beat prime version of federer ..he can't beat clearly worse versions of federer ? LOL !

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

abmk said:
Hewitt beat federer in DC 03 in Bo5 in late 2003 , when he was playing better than he was in wim 10/USO 12 vs berdych ..

roddick in 09 final nearly beat prime version of federer ..he can't beat clearly worse versions of federer ? LOL !

Slams are different. Roddick had a gazzilion chances to get the job done. FAILED!!!!

Fact is. Berdych got it done twice

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Mehh... Roddick/Hewitt wouldn't even of beaten Fed in his 30s in a best of 5. Berdych sure could though

Oh yeah? Well Hewitt was taking dumps all over your boy before he even turned 30. Guy also beat Fed in B05 in Davis Cup (2003).

Give healthy Hewitt the chance and he'd probably have wins over Fed similar to Murray. Roddick had a worse matchup problem than Berdych and even still he's seen more success against Nadal/Djokovic than he could ever hope for.

90's Clay said:
Next..

Yeah, time for you to bring up the next mug. Tsonga this time? LOL.

timnz · Mar 20, 2017

KINGROGER said:
Nadal's clay peak is 05-09.
2006 Grassdal is superior to any of Djokovic's last 2 finalists there, or 2010 Murray/Berdych.

USO Fed had to beat Blake, Davydenko, Roddick. All tough quality opponents far above anything Nadal faced at 2010 USO.

ROFLmao 2006 is tougher than any of Pete's later years with virtually ZERO competition once Agassi went AWOL. Fed would be sweeping multiple CYGS in that pathetic era.

Nadal was amazing at Monte Carlo 2010. I think that tournament and Roland Garros 2008 were his absolute best on clay.

abmk · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Are people really trying to build up post 2003-2005 Roddick here? Good lord.

Look Roddick was good under the tutelage of Gilbert. But it pretty much all downhill from there outside his FLUKE Wimbledon run in '09

he was playing well in cincy 06, USO 06, USO 07, AO 07 ( before the SF vs fed), AO 09 ( beat djoko), miami 10 ( beat nadal), dubai 08 ( beat nadal/djoko back to back ) etc. ...and of course owned djoko in 09-10....

KINGROGER · Mar 20, 2017

killerboi2 said:
Could be. I mean 2015 was seriously bad though. Mauresmo's Murray finishing as no2 despite constantly losing to top players. 2006 - Fed's usual no mark lackeys and Nadal still too young to do anyting outside French Open. It's pretty close either way.

The only slam that was semi weak was 06 AO. And even then Fed had to beat davydenko, haas both quality proven opponents and bagdhatis was GOATing and superior to any version of 2010 Murray.

90's Clay said:
Are people really trying to build up post 2003-2005 Roddick here? Good lord.

Look Roddick was good under the tutelage of Gilbert. But it pretty much all downhill from there outside his FLUKE Wimbledon run in '09

Not building him up, just stating the obvious that he's superior to 2010 Berdych/Murray/ Djokovic ROFL

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

mike danny said:
We'll see. If the slam finals are underwhelming, it doesn't beat 2009.

2009 featured 3 five set GS finals and the one slam that didn't have such a final had 2 five set semifinals.

It'll be hard for 2017 to beat that.

Hehe. 2017 in lead with all 5 setters at Auz for SFs and F.

abmk · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Slams are different. Roddick had a gazzilion chances to get the job done. FAILED!!!!

Fact is. Berdych got it done twice

he had gazzlillion chances vs prime fed, not past his prime fed....

its like saying todd martin would have a good chance vs prime sampras just because he beat him in AO 01.

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

abmk said:
he was playing well in cincy 06, USO 06, USO 07, AO 07 ( before the SF vs fed), AO 09 ( beat djoko), miami 10 ( beat nadal), dubai 08 ( beat nadal/djoko back to back ) ...and of course owned djoko in 09-10....

That would be liking owning Djokovic now. Not a huge accomplishment under the circumstance.

Roddick had a few glimpses of his old self during that time. Not title worthy though. Obviously. No better than Peak Berdych

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

abmk said:
he had gazzlillion chances vs prime fed, not past his prime fed....

its like saying todd martin would have a good chance vs prime sampras just because he beat him in AO 01.

He couldn't even beat Fed at Wimbledon in 2009 when Fed wasn't even playing that well in the final. As always.. Found a way to booger it up. Classic Roddick

abmk · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
That would be liking owning Djokovic now. Not a huge accomplishment under the circumstance.

doesn't matter. Berdych wasn't capable of even that either.

90's Clay said:
Roddick had a few glimpses of his old self during that time. Not title worthy though. Obviously. No better than Peak Berdych

not when Roddick himslef was peaking in those times. He was clearly better.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Roddick had a few glimpses of his old self during that time. Not title worthy though. Obviously. No better than Peak Berdych

Made like 3 slam finals though, WAY more than Berdych could ever make.

Dude, Berdych is a class A coffee mug. Worse than Roddick, like WAY worse than Roddick.

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Good enough to beat Fed at 1-2 slams. They couldn't. Even at their PEAKS

That's really hitting below the belt on the Roddick fans saying he's worse than Berdych. Good drive by on Davydenko, the slam blunder.

abmk · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
He couldn't even beat Fed at Wimbledon in 2009 when Fed wasn't even playing that well in the final. As always.. Found a way to booger it up. Classic Roddick

he was playing about a gazziliion times better than he did in wim 10, USO 12 vs berdych ...

that federer would've wiped the best version of berdych off court in 4 sets tops.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

How many Masters titles did Roddick win in that timeframe? How many has Berdych won?

No "strongest era EVA" excuses either, 'cause Roddick beat guys like Nadal/Djokovic/Murray for his 5 titles.

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
That's really hitting below the belt on the Roddick fans saying he's worse than Berdych. Good drive by on Davydenko, the slam blunder.

I dont think Peak Berdych is better than peak Roddick but we're comparing Peak Berdych to post 03-05 Roddick (Who isn't as good)

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
That's really hitting below the belt on the Roddick fans saying he's worse than Berdych. Good drive by on Davydenko, the slam blunder.

Davydenko at least was a better player than Thiem though.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
I dont think Peak Berdych is better than peak Roddick but we're comparing Peak Berdych to post 03-05 Roddick (Who isn't as good)

Yeah but that same Roddick is still better. Berdych is a class A coffee mug, like I said. Like no talent, all big hitting.

90's Clay · Mar 20, 2017

Sabratha said:
Yeah but that same Roddick is still better. Berdych is a class A coffee mug, like I said. Like no talent, all big hitting.

Oh Roddick is some once in a lifetime talent or something?? Guy can't even approach the net without tripping over his own feet

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

psYcon said:
I think weaker than 2015 but definitely stronger year than say a 1998 which saw the advent of the faux world #1 Marcelo Rios and the likes of doper Petr Korda winning a grand-slam out of nowhere. Not to mention ascent of players like Alex Corretja who ended winning the YEC on hard-court as a clay court specialist that year.

Wow. That's weaker than weak.

killerboi2 · Mar 20, 2017

KINGROGER said:
The only slam that was semi weak was 06 AO. And even then Fed had to beat davydenko, haas both quality proven opponents and bagdhatis was GOATing and superior to any version of 2010 Murray.

Baghdatis? Lmao that guy is a mug. Can't take him remotely seriously as quality opposition. No chance the guy was better than Murray, who also mugged it up in 2010 final. Goating? Guy had 3 or something 5 set matches against to even scrape to the final. Maybe goating for his low standards yeah.

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
I dont think Peak Berdych is better than peak Roddick but we're comparing Peak Berdych to post 03-05 Roddick (Who isn't as good)

My two least favorite players of all time so I'm a bit of an expert.

Roddick still much better than Berdy simply because of his serve which is probably the best serve game we've seen in the game, though Kyrgios might eventually have a say in that.

Serves win slams as any Sampras fan should know.

Jonas78 · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Discuss

Its on the path already to the start of the year. Querrey winning a title... Querrey.

And the AO final/Indian Wells final with 30 plus year olds and no one new stepping up.. And Nole/Murray completely out of it. And Nadal who can barely clear a ball over the net and can't react and trace balls down the line anymore

As i have mentioned earlier, how could it be weak? Peak-Djoker and peak-Murray losing in the first rounds of big tournaments shows this is the strongest field ever.

mike danny · Mar 20, 2017

DreddyTennis45 said:
No what happened to your old profile pic. That was iconic

I'm glad you liked it. I decided to make a change since I have had it for a while

mike danny · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
Hehe. 2017 in lead with all 5 setters at Auz for SFs and F.

So far yes, but there are still 3 more GS tournaments to be played.

killerboi2 · Mar 20, 2017

Jonas78 said:
As i have mentioned earlier, how could it be weak? Peak-Djoker and peak-Murray losing in the first rounds of big tournaments shows this is the strongest field ever.

They lost more due to their decline rather than other players stepping up. The mugs that beat them were eliminated a round or 2 after right?

Jonas78 · Mar 20, 2017

killerboi2 said:
They lost more due to their decline rather than other players stepping up. The mugs that beat them were eliminated a round or 2 after right?

Of course im joking

. But its the kind of stupid statements Federer-Fans have listened to sinse 2010. Finally we can use them too, what goes around comes around

. But of course, Fed NEVER declines, decline is just for everyone else...

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
Oh Roddick is some once in a lifetime talent or something?? Guy can't even approach the net without tripping over his own feet

At least Roddick could make more than 1 slam final and at least he could take it to Nadal/Djokovic. Berdych crapped himself.

6-3 6-0 · Mar 20, 2017

It is as weak as one of the 90's years where you could win 1 GS without any masters and end up #1 comfortably

mike danny · Mar 20, 2017

90's Clay said:
That would be liking owning Djokovic now. Not a huge accomplishment under the circumstance.

Roddick had a few glimpses of his old self during that time. Not title worthy though. Obviously. No better than Peak Berdych

And yet you gloat over Berdych beating post 2009 Roger

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

Sabratha said:
Davydenko at least was a better player than Thiem though.

Really?

Davydenoko had won 5 events by end of 2005. Thiem is at 8 and counting.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
Really? Davydenoko had won 5 events by end of 2005. Thiem is at 8 and counting.

2005 was Davydenko's first season as a top player.

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

Sabratha said:
2005 was Davydenko's first season as a top player.

I'm just going by age.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
I'm just going by age.

Players mature at different rates. Look at Chang and look at Wawrinka.

tennisaddict · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
Really? Davydenoko had won 5 events by end of 2005. Thiem is at 8 and counting.

LOL. davydenko won YEC. Thiem will not win against such a competition in 1000 years even if all of his opponents agree to play with their non dominant hand

Djokovic2011 · Mar 20, 2017

Sabratha said:
He was still good from 2004-2005 at the USO. He was also good at Wimbledon. The only slam Hewitt was bad at really was AO, but Safin making it further and meeting Fed there sorta made up for it.

I don't remember him ever lighting up the courts at RG either.

mike danny · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
Really? Davydenoko had won 5 events by end of 2005. Thiem is at 8 and counting.

Thiem will be fortunate to have Davydenko's career by the time he retires.

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

Sabratha said:
Players mature at different rates. Look at Chang and look at Wawrinka.

tennisaddict said:
LOL. davydenko won YEC. Thiem will not win against such a competition in 1000 years even if all of his opponents agree to play with their non dominant hand

You guys love to prop up weak eras.

Now Chang, an American, winning French Open. Think about how unbelievablely weak that year was on clay. Underhanded serve beating Lendl.

Thiem will do much, much better than Davydenko in slams for his career. Book it TA.

killerboi2 · Mar 20, 2017

Djokovic2011 said:
I don't remember him ever lighting up the courts at RG either.

He was only really consistently good at USO. Won Wimbledon at a rather weak period, best player he played on paper was Henman then was just average there before his decline.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

Djokovic2011 said:
I don't remember him ever lighting up the courts at RG either.

Was better at Roland Garros than the AO.

Well, besides that one final.

Meles · Mar 20, 2017

mike danny said:
Thiem will be fortunate to have Davydenko's career by the time he retires.

You must be banking on Thiem retiring early like Borg.

Deleted member 307496 · Mar 20, 2017

killerboi2 said:
He was only really consistently good at USO. Won Wimbledon at a rather weak period, best player he played on paper was Henman then was just average there before his decline.

Beat Fed and your boy on grass though.

He'd have won Wimbledon with a stronger field.

Djokovic2011 · Mar 20, 2017

mike danny said:
And yet you gloat over Berdych beating post 2009 Roger

Post 2009 Roger was playing at a higher level than 2017ovic.

mike danny · Mar 20, 2017

Meles said:
You must be banking on Thiem retiring early like Borg.

He'll probably tire out early like Borg if he keeps playing the way he is.

Is 2017 going to be a weaker year than 2006 and 2015?

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