Russia Banned From Winter Olympics

Status
Not open for further replies.

marc45

G.O.A.T.
NYT:

I.O.C. Gives Russia Major Punishment for Winter Olympics


By REBECCA R. RUIZ and TARIQ PANJA

DEC. 5, 2017

LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Russia’s Olympic team has been barred from the 2018 Winter Games in Pyeongchang, South Korea. The country’s government officials are forbidden to attend, its flag will not be displayed at the opening ceremony and its anthem will not sound. Any athletes from Russia who receive special dispensation to compete will do so as individuals wearing a neutral uniform, and the official record books will forever show that Russia won zero medals.

That was the punishment issued Tuesday to the proud sports juggernaut that has long used the Olympics as a show of global force but was exposed for systematic doping in previously unfathomable ways. The International Olympic Committee, after completing its own prolonged investigations that reiterated what had been known for more than a year, handed Russia penalties for doping so severe they were without precedent in Olympics history.

The ruling cemented that the nation was guilty of executing an extensive state-backed doping program. The scheme was rivaled perhaps only by the notorious program conducted by East Germany throughout the 1960s, ’70s and ’80s.

Now the sports world will wait to see how Russia responds. Some Russian officials have threatened to boycott if the I.O.C. delivered such a severe punishment.

President Vladimir V. Putin seemed to be predicting a boycott of the Pyeongchang Games, since his foreign policy in recent years has been based on the premise that he has rescued Russia from the humiliation inflicted on it by the West after the collapse of the Soviet Union. His spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, has said no boycott was under discussion before the announcement, however, and the news broke late in the evening in Moscow when an immediate official reaction was unlikely.


  • In barring Russia’s team, Olympic officials left the door open for some Russian athletes. Those with histories of rigorous drug testing may petition for permission to compete in neutral uniforms. Although it is unknown exactly how many will clear that bar, it is certain that the contingent from Russia will be depleted significantly. Entire sports — such as biathlon and cross-country skiing, in which Russia has excelled and in which its drug violations have been many — could be wiped out completely.

    Thomas Bach, president of I.O.C., has said he was perturbed not only by Russia’s widespread cheating but by how it had been accomplished: by corrupting the Olympic laboratory that handled drug testing at the Games, and on orders from Russia’s own Olympic officials.

    In an elaborate overnight operation at the 2014 Sochi Games, a team assembled by Russia’s sports ministry tampered with more than 100 urine samples to conceal evidence of top athletes’ steroid use throughout the course of competition. More than two dozen Russian athletes have been disqualified from the Sochi standings as a result, and Olympic officials are still sorting through the tainted results and rescinding medals.

    At the coming Games, Mr. Bach said Tuesday, a special medal ceremony will reassign medals to retroactive winners from Sochi. But, in light of legal appeals from many of the Russian athletes who have been disqualified by the I.O.C., it is uncertain if all results from Sochi will be finalized in time.

    The punishment announced Tuesday resembles what antidoping regulators had lobbied for leading up to the 2016 Summer Games, where Russia was allowed to participate but in restricted numbers. It is likely to face a legal appeal from Russia’s Olympic Committee.

    The decision was announced after top International Olympic Committee officials had met privately with Alexander Zhukov, the president of Russia’s Olympic Committee; Vitaly Smirnov, Russia’s former sports minister who was last year appointed Mr. Putin to lead a national antidoping commission to redeem Russia’s standing in global sports; and Evgenia Medvedeva, a two-time world skating champion.

    “Everyone is talking about how to punish Russia, but no one is talking about how to help Russia,” Mr. Smirnov said, sipping a hot beverage in the lobby of the Lausanne Palace Hotel before delivering his final appeal to officials that afternoon. “Of course we want our athletes there, and we want the Russian flag and anthem,” he said.

    But that appeal was rejected in light of the conclusions of Samuel Schmid, a former president of Switzerland whom the Olympic committee appointed last year to review the findings of a scathing investigation commissioned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

    Tuesday’s penalty was in line with what had been advocatedby two key whistle-blowers whose accounts upended Russia’s standing in global sports over the last several years: Grigory Rodchenkov, the chemist who spent 10 years as Russia’s antidoping lab chief and was key to carrying out the cheating schemes in Sochi; and Vitaly Stepanov, a former employee of Russia’s antidoping agency who married a runner for Russia’s national team and was the first to speak publicly about the nation’s institutionalized cheating.

    “The world knows that hundreds of Olympic dreams have been stolen by the doping system in the country where I was born,” Mr. Stepanov wrote in an affidavit submitted to the International Olympic Committee this fall. He had suggested banning Russia’s Olympic Committee for two years, or until the nation’s antidoping operations are recertified by regulators. Russia and its individual athletes are all but certain to miss the 2018 Paralympics given regulators’ refusal to recertify the nation last month.

    “The evidence is clear, that the doping system in Russia has not yet been truly reformed,” Mr. Stepanov wrote.

    Tuesday’s decision may have major consequences for another major sports event, next year’s $11 billion soccer World Cup in Russia. The nation’s deputy prime minister, Vitaly Mutko, was Russia’s top sports official during the 2014 Sochi Games and was directly implicated by Dr. Rodchenkov.
 

Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Sucks for the suspense in the XC skiing for one. The collective punishment must also suck for any Russian athletes who happen to not be involved. Tough case.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Clean athletes can still compete though, but not under the Russian flag.

I have followed this case closely as Im into skiing where there have been severe doping going on. Im glad they get punished.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
I wonder what Trump thinks of this...LOL

Really though something needed to be done about the issue. However what really stinks is there are athletes I am sure who are clean and now won't get the chance to compete.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
I do feel bad for the clean Russian athletes who will suffer but as long as the IOC has conclusive evidence of systemic doping for a very high percentage of the athletes, I think this is fair.

Seems like all sports could do a better job of policing and punishing dopers. But, I know practically nothing about the techniques to avoid getting caught. Sad, that governments and individuals will stoop to doping.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
I wonder what Trump thinks of this...LOL

Really though something needed to be done about the issue. However what really stinks is there are athletes I am sure who are clean and now won't get the chance to compete.
yea, the clean ones will suffer but I hope the evidence showed rampant usage that was endorsed by the government and coaches. As long as the evidence is there, I think this is fair and will maybe change behavior.

On the other hand, it isn't fair to the clean athletes from other countries to compete against dopers who are sponsored by their state.
 

TennisCJC

Legend
I wonder what Trump thinks of this...LOL

Really though something needed to be done about the issue. However what really stinks is there are athletes I am sure who are clean and now won't get the chance to compete.

I am sure Trump and Putin will collude on their response too.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
I do feel bad for the clean Russian athletes who will suffer but as long as the IOC has conclusive evidence of systemic doping for a very high percentage of the athletes, I think this is fair.

Seems like all sports could do a better job of policing and punishing dopers. But, I know practically nothing about the techniques to avoid getting caught. Sad, that governments and individuals will stoop to doping.

I agree. Something needs to be done. I am sure the IOC didn't make this decision lightly.

What stinks is Putin will in no way allow any clean athletes to participate in the games under the special dispensation clause noted in the OP, he'll say its a boycott and no you can't go and probably revoke travel privileges.
 

ojo rojo

Legend
weird-russians-11.jpg
 

TennisCJC

Legend
I agree. Something needs to be done. I am sure the IOC didn't make this decision lightly.

What stinks is Putin will in no way allow any clean athletes to participate in the games under the special dispensation clause noted in the OP, he'll say its a boycott and no you can't go and probably revoke travel privileges.

Yea, I don't think we'll see any Russians at the games.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I wonder what Trump thinks of this...LOL

Really though something needed to be done about the issue. However what really stinks is there are athletes I am sure who are clean and now won't get the chance to compete.
Clean athletes are allowed to compete, but not under the Russian flag.

Edit- I think Putin will allow them to compete.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
Putin seem like a pretty good leader to me?
Think he will let them compete.

Putin was hinting at a boycott of the games before the ruling even came down, now that the ruling has come down and there is clearly evidence of state sponsored doping, I seriously question whether he will let any clean athletes go, especially if Russia will not get credit for the gold and if the Russian flag and anthem will not be flown.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I like him more and more. Watching the western leaders ramble around, Putin doing many things right for his country and people. He is an angel compared to Trump f.ex.
Really hope he will let the clean athletes compete if they want to.
Russia good in skiing and we have many Russian rivals. Norway Russia big competitors there. And I want the competition from the Russian bears! Im glad the dopers not allowed though. They now will also get stripped for some gold medals, meaning little Norway will get even more medals from last Olympics.
 
C

Chadillac

Guest
When wada gives american athletes TUE's, wouldnt that also be state sponsored doping since they work for the usa?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
The athletes will be re-assigned to make Facebook and Twitter posts in the US promoting hate by alternately pretending to be one side or the other
 

FD3S

Hall of Fame
TEAM CANADA STANDS A CHANCE

GILBERT BRULE AND MASON RAYMOND MAY BE OLYMPIC MEDALLISTS YET
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I like him more and more. Watching the western leaders ramble around, Putin doing many things right for his country and people. He is an angel compared to Trump f.ex.
Really hope he will let the clean athletes compete if they want to.
Russia good in skiing and we have many Russian rivals. Norway Russia big competitors there. And I want the competition from the Russian bears! Im glad the dopers not allowed though. They now will also get stripped for some gold medals, meaning little Norway will get even more medals from last Olympics.
Angel of death for Alexander Litvinenko. Former KGB agents don't change their ways.
 
Last edited:

donquijote

G.O.A.T.
I like him more and more. Watching the western leaders ramble around, Putin doing many things right for his country and people. He is an angel compared to Trump f.ex.
Really hope he will let the clean athletes compete if they want to.
Russia good in skiing and we have many Russian rivals. Norway Russia big competitors there. And I want the competition from the Russian bears! Im glad the dopers not allowed though. They now will also get stripped for some gold medals, meaning little Norway will get even more medals from last Olympics.
Lol ask suffering decent people of Russia.
Good leader? Roflol
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol ask suffering decent people of Russia.
Good leader? Roflol
Its very interesting whats happening in the east these days financially. Russia been under a lot of sanctions and found other solutions which seem to just go better and better. Putin done a lot of things right. I have some Russian friends living in Russia. They are decent people and not suffering under Putin at all. Some maybe do. I don't know, its mostly finance and investing Im into.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Its very interesting whats happening in the east these days financially. Russia been under a lot of sanctions and found other solutions which seem to just go better and better. Putin done a lot of things right. I have some Russian friends living in Russia. They are decent people and not suffering under Putin at all. Some maybe do. I don't know, its mostly finance and investing Im into.
Many people are suffering in Russia under Putin's economic policies, but most are outside of the glossy parts of the major cities. Russia is very different than Norway in terms of free speech and human rights. Journalists are repressed and some die. Trump has expressed an admiration for Putin. Do you prefer Putin and Trump to post-WWII Norway?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Another American state-sponsored ban on Russia, which merely adds to all the other illegal bans and sanctions America throws on countries which challenge its hegemony.

With the exception of China, of course, which is already too powerful to touch.

Like the WMD in Iraq, sport is just another fiction (remember Meldonium) with which to attack Russia and, of course, the fictional attack on Trump as Putin's field agent in North America will continue.
 
Last edited:

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Many people are suffering in America under Obama and now Trump's economic policies and most are outside of th glossy parts of the major cities.

Trump basically won the election because he talked about this fact whereas Hillary did not - MAGA and all that jazz.

The Russian economy under Yeltsin was a complete American-sponsored catastrophe that led to a huge lowering of the life-expectancy rate.
Many people are suffering in Russia under Putin's economic policies, but most are outside of the glossy parts of the major cities. Russia is very different than Norway in terms of free speech and human rights. Journalists are repressed and some die. Trump has expressed an admiration for Putin. Do you prefer Putin and Trump to post-WWII Norway?
 
Last edited:

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Many people are suffering in Russia under Putin's economic policies, but most are outside of the glossy parts of the major cities. Russia is very different than Norway in terms of free speech and human rights. Journalists are repressed and some die. Trump has expressed an admiration for Putin. Do you prefer Putin and Trump to post-WWII Norway?
I think Russia/Putin wanted Trump to be next US president as they knew Trump would f things up internationally for USA and Russia building stronger bonds with Europe and rest of the world, which seem to happen.
The whole Trump Putin thing never happened, in fact USA is less close to Russia than before. China is now the biggest oil buyer in the world, not long time ago it was USA. Russias new pipe lines to China and lots of other trading deals which USA is left behind. Europe is in luckily and of course Iran. Its very clever all this by Putin. Russian oil will be traded in Yen, more and more gets traded in other currencies than dollar. All the trade in dollars made the dollar strong and safe for investments. This is now falling apart.

When it comes to free speech and all this, its pretty similar in China as it is in Russia. Honestly I don't think a huge country like China and Russia had the chance to grow like they do now with all the extra costs we have here in the west. In the west we have been sailing on our strong currencies and trading deals. But we have a lot of expenses living in the democracy we live in. Its not enough money to live like we do high spending and our social structure, and what our tax money is used for. Our high salaries with using other countries outside the west like we have done for decades. I think the east is now sicking tired of the west dominating everything.
They have to keep their country together, with not much interruptions while they are growing. Its a part of leadership to bring the country further. Keep the country in one direction.

Putin and China doesn't seem so interesting in starting any wars. So Im not sure what kind of a war you are referring to will happen. Europe for sure will not support Trump in his tirades about North Korea.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Russia used MAGIC to cheat at Sochi, according to McLaren, whereas no one else can replicate this magical tampering of the tamper-proof bottles McLaren thinks he knows the answer - black magic!:

The Canadian law professor also said that he had also been able to confirm that urine samples, which had been taken from Russian athletes at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi and at other major championships, had been swapped for their clean urine by using small metal rods to prise open the supposedly tamper-proof bottles. They were carried out by the state security service, the FSB, with McLaren describing them as “magicians”.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
Putin and China doesn't seem so interesting in starting any wars. So Im not sure what kind of a war you are referring to will happen. Europe for sure will not support Trump in his tirades about North Korea.
I am referring to post-WWII democracies, which I hope you realize was a war in the past, and made no reference to any future war. That being said, I don't think you understand the dynamic between North Korea and China, nor the rift between the U.S. State Department and the small Trump inner circle.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I am in shock and awe, baby.

The idea that Putin alone practices Staatsraison, what an absolute shocker!

Especially whe we all know that Western countries and their governments follow strict moral injunctions stemming from their attachment to Judeo-Christian teaching.

I'm shocked. :D
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So by WWII you mean the German war, I presume?

The one that followed WWI and by that we mean the German war, I presume?

You know, the country that put Lenin in a sealed railway carriage in the hope that he would take Russia out of that war and, thereby, defined most of the twentieth century.

I am referring to post-WWII democracies, which I hope you realize was a war in the past, and made no reference to any future war. That being said, I don't think you understand the dynamic between North Korea and China, nor the rift between the U.S. State Department and the small Trump inner circle.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I am referring to post-WWII democracies, which I hope you realize was a war in the past, and made no reference to any future war. That being said, I don't think you understand the dynamic between North Korea and China, nor the rift between the U.S. State Department and the small Trump inner circle.
I thought you were referring to a WW3. Took it for granted that you werent one of those types that had to drag up the WW2 to prove some point for current conditions. Every war is different, and its many years since 1940, things has changed.

I know very well about the China, USA North Korea situation. But I don't think USA will be able to inflict other countries than themselves in this. USA will need support to be able to survive a war. And I don't think they will get any support. Which is incredible, since N Korea such a crazy country. But now everybody can see what USA are doing. Its just too obvious. China and Russia not interested in using money on war while they are building up. Trump is trying hard to irritate and create conflicts, but no one else but N Korea falling for it.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
I am in shock and awe, baby.

The idea that Putin alone practices Staatsraison, what an absolute shocker!

Especially whe we all know that Western countries and their governments follow strict moral injunctions stemming from their attachment to Judeo-Christian teaching.
Every president of a country would somehow try to deny doping and other scandals to the press. If the systematic doping were happening in USA or f.ex France, respective presidents would try to deny that as well.
And I don't think Putin was involved in the doping at all. But I do believe doping happened in Russia, I dont believe this is a conspiracy against Russia.
 

meltphace 6

Hall of Fame
Its very interesting whats happening in the east these days financially. Russia been under a lot of sanctions and found other solutions which seem to just go better and better. Putin done a lot of things right. I have some Russian friends living in Russia. They are decent people and not suffering under Putin at all. Some maybe do. I don't know, its mostly finance and investing Im into.
I also have Russian friends but they're suffering. I'm not in finance and investing. So, who is right?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
So the whole decision revolves around the fact that new evidence has 'magically' appeared and been 'magically' analysed in only a month or two:

Rodchenkov’s lawyer, Jim Walden, said a new database, obtained by Wada last month, showed that “thousands and thousands and thousands” of Russian athletes were implicated in a “secret folder” which outlined all the times samples with performance-enhancing drugs in them had been switched for clean ones.
 

Mike Bulgakov

G.O.A.T.
I thought you were referring to a WW3. Took it for granted that you werent one of those types that had to drag up the WW2 to prove some point for current conditions. Every war is different, and its many years since 1940, things has changed.

I know very well about the China, USA North Korea situation. But I don't think USA will be able to inflict other countries than themselves in this. USA will need support to be able to survive a war. And I don't think they will get any support. Which is incredible, since N Korea such a crazy country. But now everybody can see what USA are doing. Its just too obvious. China and Russia not interested in using money on war while they are building up. Trump is trying hard to irritate and create conflicts, but no one else but N Korea falling for it.
The Scandinavian countries had been great democracies for many years before WWII, including being very progressive regarding women's rights. For many years after the war, the United States helped rebuild Western Europe and build their modern intelligence agencies.

North Korea is essentially a guard dog on China's leash, traditionally just barking, but in danger of breaking away from the leash.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Putin has actually admitted to the existence of Russian doping, and taken measures to stop it which are persuasive.

So Russia has not denied it, or specific parts of it, has engaged in doping.

The main evidence the West has against Russia comes from its former Doper-In-Chief turned well-paid whistle-blower so they could hardly deny it.

Every president of a country would somehow try to deny doping and other scandals to the press. If the systematic doping were happening in USA or f.ex France, respective presidents would try to deny that as well.
And I don't think Putin was involved in the doping at all. But I do believe doping happened in Russia, I dont believe this is a conspiracy against Russia.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
What the history of North Korea/American relations shows is that Republicans are inept at dealing with them due to their more bellicose posturing, which now extends to Twitter.

The Scandinavian countries had been great democracies for many years before WWII, including being very progressive regarding women's rights. For many years after the war, the United States helped rebuild Western Europe and build their modern intelligence agencies.

North Korea is essentially a guard dog on China's leash, traditionally just barking, but in danger of breaking away from the leash.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top