The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Would the PP100 with a leather grip and a full bed of multi be more or less powerful than a stock 93P? Believe it or not, I'm having some trouble keeping the ball in with the 93P. This thing shoots out rockets on some shots. I know it's all technique, but I hit with a SW FH and if I hit ATP style where the racquet head is dragged and then whipped through the strike zone, it's hard to keep in. I don't like the full western stroke because it's unnatural feeling to me. I can only keep the ball in using a WTA FH with a more circular stroke. I'm also using a full bed of multi, so that also aids in the power boost. The 93P is definitely a keeper, I'd need to change my technique or use lower powered strings, but still need to avoid poly. Any recommendations?
Why the F do you need to avoid poly? And ATP FH with full multi? What?
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Would the PP100 with a leather grip and a full bed of multi be more or less powerful than a stock 93P? Believe it or not, I'm having some trouble keeping the ball in with the 93P. This thing shoots out rockets on some shots. I know it's all technique, but I hit with a SW FH and if I hit ATP style where the racquet head is dragged and then whipped through the strike zone, it's hard to keep in. I don't like the full western stroke because it's unnatural feeling to me. I can only keep the ball in using a WTA FH with a more circular stroke. I'm also using a full bed of multi, so that also aids in the power boost. The 93P is definitely a keeper, I'd need to change my technique or use lower powered strings, but still need to avoid poly. Any recommendations?

Unless your multi is just strung super low, this is all technique. The point of the frame is it gives back what you give it. That is the beauty of the racquet.

Talking about ATP and WTA style FHs is just telling me you need a coach and practice.

If you want a gear related response, I would say try full poly at 45#s, but that won't fix technique.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Unless your multi is just strung super low, this is all technique. The point of the frame is it gives back what you give it. That is the beauty of the racquet.

Talking about ATP and WTA style FHs is just telling me you need a coach and practice.

If you want a gear related response, I would say try full poly at 45#s, but that won't fix technique.

Xcel 17g @ 45# was fine freshly strung, after it broke in and lost some tension, I had to roll the ball over more than usual to compensate for the added power or to the technical crowd, increased launch angle. I'm also going to get a thinner OG, the one I have now is kind of thick and wrinkles at the buttcap area no matter how I wrap it. Grip feels a bit clunky and isn't allowing me to make fine tuned wrist adjustments, maybe I should have bought two sizes down. The leather doesn't compress much. TW 1.3mm leather is an option. Looks like Babolat VS Pro is the thinnest OG. @Power Player you're right, there's something about the small head and thin beam that makes RHS easy, I'm getting more spin with the 93P than my 100" 16x20. I'll definitely keep working on technique adjustments though.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Xcel 17g at 45 lbs. Holy cow. I don't think I could keep anything in the court with that setup. At least not any ball hit without perfect technique. That's as elastic a string bed as you can likely create.

I'm sure Velocity at 52 lbs would make a lot of it better.
 
I string my Prestige MID (IG) at 57 and it is ok for me (Genesis Twisted Razor). By comparison, do you think I should go lower on my new Prince 93Z

BT
 

stephenclown

Professional
I string my Prestige MID (IG) at 57 and it is ok for me (Genesis Twisted Razor). By comparison, do you think I should go lower on my new Prince 93Z

BT

Try not to change too many variables, you may go down in tension but at least you can feel the difference between racquets at that tension if you use it.

On another note, was looking at 95s and below with dense patterns and ports and the 95 tour seems interesting. Wonder how a 93 ported version would go... Open up the dense pattern and make it more plush? 95 tour was mid 50s ra so quite low!

Funds clearing in next week or so and probably going to sell some other random **** too and avoid paypals ludicrous exchange rate fees.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I’ve got a 93p and a POG 107 on the way. Always wanted the original Agassi racket but was too cheap back then. Decided while I’m ordering one of those I’d grab a 93P to add to my Prince collection.

Should be fun to try out these two different but classic style rackets and I feel good supporting Prince and TW in their efforts to keep classic feeling sticks in the mix. It’s been a joy to my arm to move away from light stiff frames to more solid thin beamed players frames. And my game has really developed too with more all court characteristics that I’d moved away from with Babolat rackets.
 
I’ve got a 93p and a POG 107 on the way. Always wanted the original Agassi racket but was too cheap back then. Decided while I’m ordering one of those I’d grab a 93P to add to my Prince collection.

Should be fun to try out these two different but classic style rackets and I feel good supporting Prince and TW in their efforts to keep classic feeling sticks in the mix. It’s been a joy to my arm to move away from light stiff frames to more solid thin beamed players frames. And my game has really developed too with more all court characteristics that I’d moved away from with Babolat rackets.
Stoked for you to try the 93p. I loved the power and spin of my Yonex EZONE DR 98, but I'm winning more points with the 93p. Consistent, plush, classic feel, strangely powerful on serve, slice/squash shots are a weapon, no more arm pain, etc.
 

tomato123

Professional
So far on my 93P I've tried:

Tour Bite Soft 17 @45/45 lbs - setup that I asked to be strung with my racquet purchase. All around solid, can swing out confidently and had good feel. Cut it out after ~7 hours when it started getting too mushy for my liking.

Cyclone 18L @45/45 - performed slightly better in all aspects compared to the Tour Bite Soft, but turns out I'm pretty picky about feel and I prefer a softer feeling off my stringbed, so Tour Bite Soft would probably be my poly of choice for full bed. Also cut out after about 7 hours of play, so I think I've gotten a sense of how long I can play with full poly on this racquet.

Right now I'm about 3 hours in with Klip Legend 18 and Black Magic 18 @50/47 - first hour was a little discouraging because I struggled with controlling my shots, but I made a few adjustments to my swing and this is quickly becoming my favorite setup. I think it was the launch angle that was giving me trouble, so it took a little bit of time to get used to closing the racquet face more, and now I'm able to produce just as much spin, if not more spin, than I did with the full poly setup, along with the added power and amazing pocketing and plushness from the gut. The racquet regardless has ridiculous control. Still getting used to the adjustments, but I don't mind, I think my game can only get better this way. I will play this out until it breaks, but I honestly don't know how long it will last. I think I'm more or less in the middle of the road when it comes to being a string breaker/non string breaker, so I'm hoping this can last me for a good 8-10 hours or more, and if it does, it will be my permanent setup.
 

Anton

Legend
For my next string job I'll do 18g Cyclone with 48lb proportional stringing...It's going to be some work to measure everything out but if it comes out great I'll post the mapping.
 
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borgpro

Semi-Pro
Does anyone know hoe to purchase this racket from Europe?
Or, does anyone wants to help me ordening in usa and ship (extra taxes by Arrival in Europe No problem and for me).
I am to trust and will pay in advance.
Unless a shop outside UDA sells these rackets by now.
Thanks!!
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
Does anyone know hoe to purchase this racket from Europe?
Or, does anyone wants to help me ordening in usa and ship (extra taxes by Arrival in Europe No problem and for me).
I am to trust and will pay in advance.
Unless a shop outside UDA sells these rackets by now.
Thanks!!

If you keep an eye on the TW used section ( https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/usedcatpage.html?ccode=PRINCERACS ) you MAY see one come up. TW can sell used racquets without the restrictions.
 

cyanide43

Rookie
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.

Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.

However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.

I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.

My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.

I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.

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Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.
 
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jonestim

Hall of Fame
Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.

However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble..

What tension did you put the 4G at? Having used 4G in the past, I don't think I would care for it in the 93P. Do you have something else you can put in before you write it off? And string in the 40-45 lb range.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I play SW grip and don't S&V much, yet I still love the frame over my Babolat. Maybe that will change at some point, but for now I am actually playing better tennis. Pretty wild, because on paper I agree that this frame should be more for a S&V player, but it translates to my game.


Agree about the 4g. Thats not a great string for a low power racquet. I'd suggest something like Tour Bite at 40-45#s. I don't have the same issue with off center hits, but I wonder if it is due to my lower tension and string selection.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.

Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.

However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.

I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.

My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.

I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.

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Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.

What tensions were you using in your 93? Did lowering open the sweetspot for you?

How do you find the feel of these ported versions? I know you have a history with them but are they that much better for you that you will continue playing with them in the future? I always stayed away in the past but now I am really intrigued and the feedback seems to make it be the only real innovation in 30 years to racquets. Just wish there was a 93-95 ported 18x20 like the old tour 95...

I play clay a lot but have always gravitated towards 95" or so frames for all surfaces, just love the touch and slice out of these smaller heads. I was using PSL @56 with alu power for a while but sweet spot was tight... Made it an extremely unforgiving swing so this 93P seems like it will be the perfect blend. Only thing is that these setups are 100% based on footwork so I will need to get fit again, usually stuffed after 2 sets atm.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
I play SW grip and don't S&V much, yet I still love the frame over my Babolat. Maybe that will change at some point, but for now I am actually playing better tennis. Pretty wild, because on paper I agree that this frame should be more for a S&V player, but it translates to my game.


Agree about the 4g. Thats not a great string for a low power racquet. I'd suggest something like Tour Bite at 40-45#s. I don't have the same issue with off center hits, but I wonder if it is due to my lower tension and string selection.
I am using Tour Bite 1.20 @ 40lbs. I’m also not facing the same pace as a D1 player
 

stephenclown

Professional
I am using Tour Bite 1.20 @ 40lbs. I’m also not facing the same pace as a D1 player

Also worth noting that if a D1 player is not used to a smaller frame this can create a few issues and not necessarily a knock on 90-96" frames. Dimitrov, Federer and Djokovic all did fine with 90-95" frames (heads 98 was 95 for djok) and they are facing balls much harder than Div1 players. Safin did great with his 89.5 and he had a modern 2hbh. Difference is the skill level and commitment of these players, I still don't think 93-97 makes much difference to the average player if they are used to it however.
 

Zlatni

Rookie
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.

Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.

However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.

I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.

My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.

I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.

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Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.

I’ve had a fairly similar experience - Babolat on the other side and all

I’ve added lead at 10,2,5 and 7. Will see how it plays tomorrow.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

DJ-

Hall of Fame
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.

Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.

However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.

I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.

My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.

I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.

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Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.

What a collection!
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I am using Tour Bite 1.20 @ 40lbs. I’m also not facing the same pace as a D1 player

Yeah, I agree that is a tough switch in the middle of D1 tennis.

For rec play, even at 4.0/4.5 level I have not had issue with Bab wielders on the other end, but it's not really the racquet that wins the matches in these situations.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Interestingly I was worried that a 93P might be a bit small for my doubles play. Well I went out today and warmed up and played a couple games with an old Don Budge Wilson woodie. I had watched Borg vs McEnroe last night and was feeling retro lol.

Surprisingly I had very little problem playing with the small head. Maybe framed a couple volleys but I always frame a couple volleys. I never tried serving with it but for returns, groundstrokes and volleys it was fine.

So now I'm even more stoked for the mid 18x20 frame as I did notice the woodie was incredibly nice on touch shots.
 

Anton

Legend
Played a match today against a consistent spinner...on totally shot legs from playing a lot of tennis lately.

Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short and getting pummeled, the serves kept coming back, slices not helping me - 1-6 first set.

Time for a change - 93P with ngut hybrid comes out of the bag. With it big serves, penetrating pace/depth on groundies, good control, low slices. 6-2, 6-2 easy peasy.
 

EKTiger

Rookie
Played a match today against a consistent spinner...on totally shot legs from playing a lot of tennis lately.

Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short and getting pummeled, the serves kept coming back, slices not helping me - 1-6 first set.

Time for a change - 93P with ngut hybrid comes out of the bag. With it big serves, penetrating pace/depth on groundies, good control, low slices. 6-2, 6-2 easy peasy.
That's really nice. I play with the tour G 330, and I was wondering how the two compare. Did you ever hit with that racquet?
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Played a match today against a consistent spinner...on totally shot legs from playing a lot of tennis lately.

Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short and getting pummeled, the serves kept coming back, slices not helping me - 1-6 first set.

Time for a change - 93P with ngut hybrid comes out of the bag. With it big serves, penetrating pace/depth on groundies, good control, low slices. 6-2, 6-2 easy peasy.

Yeah exactly. The thing about the western game is it works, but most good players have seen it a million times now. What they haven't seen as much is really low slice and a more dynamic game that keeps the ball deep at times with top and then slips in drop shots and slice out of nowhere.

I played a 4.0 2 weeks ago and I just started slicing him a lot and it became an error festival. He was too concerned about my forehand and focused on adjusting to that. Reality was that my slice was doing all the dirty work and setting everything up.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
That's really nice. I play with the tour G 330, and I was wondering how the two compare. Did you ever hit with that racquet?

I did. I loved that frame. Used it for half a year. The thing about the Tour G was that it was a bit of a log. Just a ton of weight in the throat. So what I did was develop a decent net game to take advantage of that trait.

The P93 imo is simply a better frame. It volleys just as well, if not better and it is so much easier to whip through contact and serve with. It also feels great. The 330 felt awesome as well, so you will not lose anything coming to the 93, except some real estate size. The Tour g played a little bigger than it's headsize and the P93 does as well.
 

Anton

Legend
That's really nice. I play with the tour G 330, and I was wondering how the two compare. Did you ever hit with that racquet?

Sorry, did not try that one but from what I understand it’s a hammer, with solid mass in the middle, sorta like a softer version of RF97.

93P is more scalpel than a hammer - swifter, more precise, but not as rock solid as RF97/Tour 330.
 
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Anton

Legend
Yeah exactly. The thing about the western game is it works, but most good players have seen it a million times now. What they haven't seen as much is really low slice and a more dynamic game that keeps the ball deep at times with top and then slips in drop shots and slice out of nowhere.

I played a 4.0 2 weeks ago and I just started slicing him a lot and it became an error festival. He was too concerned about my forehand and focused on adjusting to that. Reality was that my slice was doing all the dirty work and setting everything up.

Well the big thing was that I didn't have to create the power from legs as much to create good pace and depth from P93 - I had easier time driving the ball from more upright stance.

Though I do think that if my legs are there I'm more dangerous with DR98's loop game.
 
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EKTiger

Rookie
I did. I loved that frame. Used it for half a year. The thing about the Tour G was that it was a bit of a log. Just a ton of weight in the throat. So what I did was develop a decent net game to take advantage of that trait.

The P93 imo is simply a better frame. It volleys just as well, if not better and it is so much easier to whip through contact and serve with. It also feels great. The 330 felt awesome as well, so you will not lose anything coming to the 93, except some real estate size. The Tour g played a little bigger than it's headsize and the P93 does as well.
Sorry, did not try that one but from what I understand it’s a hammer, with solid mass in the middle, sorta like a softer version of RF97.

93P is more scalpel than a hammer - swifter, more precise, but not as rock solid as RF97/Tour 330.
I see, I'm tempted to try it but the international shipping thing is killing me.
 

kenyee

Semi-Pro
Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short

Do you find the DR98 swings much slower than the PP93P?
I think that might be why you need better footwork. It has good spin when do have time, but I'm thinking of switching over to the PP93P too...though I'm not sure whether to take the PP100 and PP100P for a test drive first...
 

morten

Hall of Fame
I heard people mention it, but Idk if it's trusted.
I did it 3 weeks ago. No problem. Felt very safe. That said i like the racket. But will probably not switch to it. Yes the specs are great. But the negative for me was: too round/wide headshape (lost some of the pinpoint precision there) a bit too sluggish and not great for my arm. To me the ps85 is still so much better in the feel/scalpel department.. But it is a top 5 racket for me still.. That said i have a pretty unusual game, sort og like a Santoro with a one handed backhand, and forehand lol.. and very picky as well..
 
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Anton

Legend
Do you find the DR98 swings much slower than the PP93P?
I think that might be why you need better footwork. It has good spin when do have time, but I'm thinking of switching over to the PP93P too...though I'm not sure whether to take the PP100 and PP100P for a test drive first...

...my 11.6oz 3hL 345SW DR98 doesn’t swing slower than my 12.3oz 7hl 350SW 93P. They just need to be swung differently to be effective. DR98 is more about hitting from the legs, angles and spins, 93P can flat drive and meet the ball on the rise better and it will let you get away with more “arming”
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I swing the same with everything, leg drive and core is key. Same grip, same style of heavy topspin for me - its just how i play.

But you can definitely meet the ball early with this frame and drive it for sure.
 

kenyee

Semi-Pro
DR98 is more about hitting from the legs, angles and spins, 93P can flat drive and meet the ball on the rise better and it will let you get away with more “arming”

I think this is the perfect description of what I feel. Despite the very close SW to other racquets I've tried, the DR98 needs better preparation because you can't swing at the end, which I think is sadly what I do despite using other 12oz racquets :-(
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.
 

Anton

Legend
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.

Cringe - where's poly at?

String savers a-la Fed:

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tomato123

Professional
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.

Are you exclusively sticking to multifilaments? Of those choices Head Velocity might be something worth looking at as it is probably one of the more well-rounded multis at great price point. I tried a full bed of Velocity on my Yonex SV 95 once and it was pretty good as it is a lower powered and spin friendly multi. There's multiple threads dedicated to Velocity and Velocity related hybrids and it's one of the more popular multi's here. I'm sure you will get some good recommendations from them if you decide to try it out.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/head-velocity.586942/page-27#post-12223857
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.


Dude - poly. You cant string multis at low tensions.

Or just go for classic prince synthetic gut. Sounds like you are still a bit new to the gear game, you could string the syn gut at 52#s and be fine. It is inexpensive and will allow you to figure out what traits you need in a string. I am sure the shop will have a decent selection of syn gut. Its the go to standard.
 
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