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@Tommy Haas where in the OC are you located? Tried sending you a PM on the board but I think you’ve disabled this function.
Why the F do you need to avoid poly? And ATP FH with full multi? What?Would the PP100 with a leather grip and a full bed of multi be more or less powerful than a stock 93P? Believe it or not, I'm having some trouble keeping the ball in with the 93P. This thing shoots out rockets on some shots. I know it's all technique, but I hit with a SW FH and if I hit ATP style where the racquet head is dragged and then whipped through the strike zone, it's hard to keep in. I don't like the full western stroke because it's unnatural feeling to me. I can only keep the ball in using a WTA FH with a more circular stroke. I'm also using a full bed of multi, so that also aids in the power boost. The 93P is definitely a keeper, I'd need to change my technique or use lower powered strings, but still need to avoid poly. Any recommendations?
Would the PP100 with a leather grip and a full bed of multi be more or less powerful than a stock 93P? Believe it or not, I'm having some trouble keeping the ball in with the 93P. This thing shoots out rockets on some shots. I know it's all technique, but I hit with a SW FH and if I hit ATP style where the racquet head is dragged and then whipped through the strike zone, it's hard to keep in. I don't like the full western stroke because it's unnatural feeling to me. I can only keep the ball in using a WTA FH with a more circular stroke. I'm also using a full bed of multi, so that also aids in the power boost. The 93P is definitely a keeper, I'd need to change my technique or use lower powered strings, but still need to avoid poly. Any recommendations?
Unless your multi is just strung super low, this is all technique. The point of the frame is it gives back what you give it. That is the beauty of the racquet.
Talking about ATP and WTA style FHs is just telling me you need a coach and practice.
If you want a gear related response, I would say try full poly at 45#s, but that won't fix technique.
I string my Prestige MID (IG) at 57 and it is ok for me (Genesis Twisted Razor). By comparison, do you think I should go lower on my new Prince 93Z
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Stoked for you to try the 93p. I loved the power and spin of my Yonex EZONE DR 98, but I'm winning more points with the 93p. Consistent, plush, classic feel, strangely powerful on serve, slice/squash shots are a weapon, no more arm pain, etc.I’ve got a 93p and a POG 107 on the way. Always wanted the original Agassi racket but was too cheap back then. Decided while I’m ordering one of those I’d grab a 93P to add to my Prince collection.
Should be fun to try out these two different but classic style rackets and I feel good supporting Prince and TW in their efforts to keep classic feeling sticks in the mix. It’s been a joy to my arm to move away from light stiff frames to more solid thin beamed players frames. And my game has really developed too with more all court characteristics that I’d moved away from with Babolat rackets.
Does anyone know hoe to purchase this racket from Europe?
Or, does anyone wants to help me ordening in usa and ship (extra taxes by Arrival in Europe No problem and for me).
I am to trust and will pay in advance.
Unless a shop outside UDA sells these rackets by now.
Thanks!!
Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.
However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble..
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.
Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.
However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.
I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.
My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.
I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.
Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.
I am using Tour Bite 1.20 @ 40lbs. I’m also not facing the same pace as a D1 playerI play SW grip and don't S&V much, yet I still love the frame over my Babolat. Maybe that will change at some point, but for now I am actually playing better tennis. Pretty wild, because on paper I agree that this frame should be more for a S&V player, but it translates to my game.
Agree about the 4g. Thats not a great string for a low power racquet. I'd suggest something like Tour Bite at 40-45#s. I don't have the same issue with off center hits, but I wonder if it is due to my lower tension and string selection.
I am using Tour Bite 1.20 @ 40lbs. I’m also not facing the same pace as a D1 player
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.
Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.
However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.
I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.
My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.
I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.
Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.
Hey there forum...I'm a current Division 1 tennis player. I've been following the tennis talk forums for a while during the college season and was excited to try the new Phantoms. I just hit with the Phantom 93P earlier today. I'm looking to find a replacement for my Tour 100 18x20 that provides more stability and plow through while still being maneuverable. I'm a baseline grinder that likes to use touch, heavy spin, and angles to wear my opponent down.
Here are my thoughts:
The 93P packs a serious punch in a maneuverable racquet. Though the weight feels substantial when just holding the frame, once it gets moving through the air the racquet flies. Through a full practice session, I did not get tired from swinging the frame and did not feel a hint of wrist pain. Whenever I was able to lean into the ball, I got a good response with more heavy spin than I would have anticipated from the tight string pattern. Control was fantastic on full swings and I felt like I had pinpoint accuracy to put the ball just where I wanted to (even more so than my current Tour 100). It's an extremely classic feeling racquet in the sense that what you put into the ball is exactly what you will get back--no free power or bells and whistles here.
However, I didn't like how this racquet reacts defensively. When contacting the ball slightly off the center of the frame, the racquet let you know it immediately. On har-tru [clay] courts I had trouble getting a friendly response from balls that would be slightly out of my strike zone. On these mishit balls SLIGHTLY out of the center of the frame, the ball would drop short and I would be in serious trouble against the player waving the Babolat stick. I also wasn't the biggest fan of the defensive slice with this frame. Since the contact window is so small, it was tough for me to squash shot my way out of trouble.
I feel like players with eastern grip forehands and classic S&V games would absolutely love this frame. It's the epitome of a modern classic and would serve them well. As a standard college tennis player that needs to exchange quickly between defense and offense, however, this frame does not do the trick for me.
My favorite frame out of all the Phantoms was the Phantom 100 (as it most resembled the frames that I have used in the past in terms of feel and response) but I would need that stick in an 18x20 variant to be sold on it. In any case, here's my final order of Phantoms, by most favorite to least. P100 > 93P > PP100P > PP100.
I will next be trying a TT100P + leather + lead and seeing how that goes.
Phantoms in a line. L to R: P100, PP100, PP100P, 93P.
I am using Tour Bite 1.20 @ 40lbs. I’m also not facing the same pace as a D1 player
That's really nice. I play with the tour G 330, and I was wondering how the two compare. Did you ever hit with that racquet?Played a match today against a consistent spinner...on totally shot legs from playing a lot of tennis lately.
Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short and getting pummeled, the serves kept coming back, slices not helping me - 1-6 first set.
Time for a change - 93P with ngut hybrid comes out of the bag. With it big serves, penetrating pace/depth on groundies, good control, low slices. 6-2, 6-2 easy peasy.
Played a match today against a consistent spinner...on totally shot legs from playing a lot of tennis lately.
Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short and getting pummeled, the serves kept coming back, slices not helping me - 1-6 first set.
Time for a change - 93P with ngut hybrid comes out of the bag. With it big serves, penetrating pace/depth on groundies, good control, low slices. 6-2, 6-2 easy peasy.
That's really nice. I play with the tour G 330, and I was wondering how the two compare. Did you ever hit with that racquet?
That's really nice. I play with the tour G 330, and I was wondering how the two compare. Did you ever hit with that racquet?
Yeah exactly. The thing about the western game is it works, but most good players have seen it a million times now. What they haven't seen as much is really low slice and a more dynamic game that keeps the ball deep at times with top and then slips in drop shots and slice out of nowhere.
I played a 4.0 2 weeks ago and I just started slicing him a lot and it became an error festival. He was too concerned about my forehand and focused on adjusting to that. Reality was that my slice was doing all the dirty work and setting everything up.
I did. I loved that frame. Used it for half a year. The thing about the Tour G was that it was a bit of a log. Just a ton of weight in the throat. So what I did was develop a decent net game to take advantage of that trait.
The P93 imo is simply a better frame. It volleys just as well, if not better and it is so much easier to whip through contact and serve with. It also feels great. The 330 felt awesome as well, so you will not lose anything coming to the 93, except some real estate size. The Tour g played a little bigger than it's headsize and the P93 does as well.
I see, I'm tempted to try it but the international shipping thing is killing me.Sorry, did not try that one but from what I understand it’s a hammer, with solid mass in the middle, sorta like a softer version of RF97.
93P is more scalpel than a hammer - swifter, more precise, but not as rock solid as RF97/Tour 330.
I see, I'm tempted to try it but the international shipping thing is killing me.
Are they allowed to ship prince used racquets outside the US? I didn't know thatYou can get slightly used one to make up the difference.
Are they allowed to ship prince used racquets outside the US? I didn't know that
Started off hitting his no-pace spins right back with my DR98, but with crap foot work and no leg pump my western game was inconsistent or falling short
No. Ship via myus.comOhh, I guess that is the only option.
I heard people mention it, but Idk if it's trusted.No. Ship via myus.com
I did it 3 weeks ago. No problem. Felt very safe. That said i like the racket. But will probably not switch to it. Yes the specs are great. But the negative for me was: too round/wide headshape (lost some of the pinpoint precision there) a bit too sluggish and not great for my arm. To me the ps85 is still so much better in the feel/scalpel department.. But it is a top 5 racket for me still.. That said i have a pretty unusual game, sort og like a Santoro with a one handed backhand, and forehand lol.. and very picky as well..I heard people mention it, but Idk if it's trusted.
Where did you ship it to? were there additional taxes?I did it 3 weeks ago. No problem. Felt very safe
Scandinavia. Taxes were cheaper than if i would have ordered normal from TW..Where did you ship it to? were there additional taxes?
Yeah, thanks for your help.Scandinavia. Taxes were cheaper than if i would have ordered normal from TW..
Do you find the DR98 swings much slower than the PP93P?
I think that might be why you need better footwork. It has good spin when do have time, but I'm thinking of switching over to the PP93P too...though I'm not sure whether to take the PP100 and PP100P for a test drive first...
DR98 is more about hitting from the legs, angles and spins, 93P can flat drive and meet the ball on the rise better and it will let you get away with more “arming”
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.