Rogers Cup Final..... Nadal v Jesuipas

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  • Nadal in 2

  • Nadal in 3

  • Pas in 2

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Druss

Hall of Fame
I know Tsitsipas has only a 10% chance of winning, but I can’t help thinking that if by some miracle he did win on his 20th birthday....wouldn’t that be one of the most impressive wins in the OE, beating 5 top 10 opponents along the way?

Thiem, Djoker, Zverev, Anderson, Nadal. Wow! Anyone who thinks this guy is flukeing some tournament, has got to be kidding me.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Rogers Cup‏Verified account @rogerscup 4h4 hours ago
Nadal into press quick after his match. “I’m happy about everything. Of course, I can play a little bit better. I believe I can do it.” On Tsitsipas: “He’s a complete player. He has passion for the game. He’s not just one thing, he’s got everything.” #RogersCup

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Apun94

Hall of Fame
hopefully Nadal wins, takes Cincy off, and gets his body rest and game together!

Because honestly, he's playing rather raggedly.
The problem is if he wants to get his game together, he needs to play more matches. That is only going to happen by playing Cinci. Unfortunately it he plays Cinci, he is going to tire himself out for the USO
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
I am afraid Nadal might tire himself out here winning it, and then again tire himself out winning Cincy and be so tired he will lose the USO fifth set tie break in 99-97 to Isner.
Don't see him winning Cinci, with the draw that he has. And I'm sure he isn't looking forward to a QF date with Djokovic on a fast HC
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
And Rafa was playing until after midnight and still has to do press and recuperation. He has to play a big match in less than 13 hours. He's the one whose tank will probably be empty.

Eh, his match against Khachanov was pretty straightforward. Although the two sets were tight, (7-6, 6-4) he was pretty much in control of that one. Tsitisipas is on an amazing run, but you feel like he'll come crashing back down to Earth at some point. He's already beaten 4 top ten players in succession, I just can't see him pulling this one off, as amazing of a story as it would be. It's already been a dream kind of run for him, especially escaping the last two matches. Down a set and 5-2, he comes back to beat Zverev. Today, he dropped the opening set and had a lot of tough service games in the third set, having to fight off break points, as well as a match point in the breaker.

I won't write him off like others have, because this won't be an easy match. However, I just think Rafa will be too tough, so I'm gonna say Rafa wins 7-6, 6-4 or something like that.
 

Enceladus

Legend
Interestingly before the match is that Tsitsipas knocked out the winner and runner-up of this year's Wimbledon and the French Open runner-up, today will face the winner of the French Open, so at this year's Rogers Cup he will play against all four finalists of the European Majors. It would be stylish to bring this path to a successful finish and defeat the RG champion.
 

ADuck

Legend
I know Tsitsipas has only a 10% chance of winning, but I can’t help thinking that if by some miracle he did win on his 20th birthday....wouldn’t that be one of the most impressive wins in the OE, beating 5 top 10 opponents along the way?

Thiem, Djoker, Zverev, Anderson, Nadal. Wow! Anyone who thinks this guy is flukeing some tournament, has got to be kidding me.
It's actually NEVER been done at any ATP tournament besides the WTF. So yes, this would be a record-breaking and historic win if Tsitsipas wins.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
Could really be easier than it looks.

But then I had hope he pull out regardless of draw.
I mean he will probably face Raonic, Djokovic and Federer. You can bet on these players to make it through. Not sure about Cilic or Edmund
 

malbaker86

Hall of Fame
The problem is if he wants to get his game together, he needs to play more matches. That is only going to happen by playing Cinci. Unfortunately it he plays Cinci, he is going to tire himself out for the USO

He's past that "needing to play himself into form" stage. He didn't have a tune up on grass the past two years and did relatively well on that surface
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Don't see him winning Cinci, with the draw that he has. And I'm sure he isn't looking forward to a QF date with Djokovic on a fast HC

Play a few rounds and tank would usually be the strategy. The think is, if he wins 2 matches and faces Djokovic there's no way in hell he's going to lay down and give Nole another win ahead of the USO. I believe his win vs Nole in Canada 2013 in the rd set tie break had a massive impact on the USO final. If Nole had won that I think he'd have won the USO too. So Nadal would be looking at winning 1 match then tanking - is it worth it? Or tanking in the semis which seems a bit pointless if you just busted yourself up winning an epic match with your biggest rival
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
And Rafa was playing until after midnight and still has to do press and recuperation. He has to play a big match in less than 13 hours. He's the one whose tank will probably be empty.
This and Nadal playing all night matches this week are two pluses for TsitsiFast.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Hoping this match is closer than we all think it will be given the Barcelona final. Both are really smart players and we won't have a battle of wits and adapting if Nadal blows out Tsitsi once again.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Mentioned up a few posts above as things against Nadal for this match and I'll add that he's not in full form like he was in Barcelona because of simply not enough hard court matches.

Things that might get Tsitsipas the win:
1. Has not been broken in 4 of his 5 matches at Rogers Cup.:eek:
2. Zverev broke five times a Tsitsipas who had a lackluster first serve and a low percentage to boot (47.5%). Redlining Zverev has a lot of reach on first serve and has been returning exceptionally well this Summer.
3. Very smart tennis player who will try to adapt to deal with Nadal changing tactics
4. Calm like a professional assassin who won't be phased by the Nadal celebrations
5. Incredibly sneaky forehand that should be able to hit through any short balls garnered from Nadal.
6. Great depth (a key to winning) that will be even more effective on hard courts
7. Nadals heavy shots actually get to the opponent slower which means Rafa will have trouble rushing Tsitsispa
8. Slow deep returns that will stop Nadal from mauling right after the serve
9. Nadal does not have a heater serve like Anderson, et al to expose the Tsitsipas first return
10. Nadal on worse surface for him than Barcelona
11. Tsitsipas playing a touch better than Barcelona (where he dismantled a lot of solid clay court players)
12. Khachanov gave Nadal a tremendous match until their first set tiebreaker which suggests Nadal can definitely be had.

Less obvious Nadal plus:
Tsitsipas is more of a clay court player than a hard court player. He's won a much lower percentage of points over the last two weeks than on clay in Barcelona, but this is tempered by the toughness of the field with Duckworth in Washington the only weak player faced over the last two weeks.

Predicting Nadal in 2 tight sets or possibly three. Hoping that Tsitsipas gets in a good set to set the stage for future clashes. Tsitsipas did this with Zverev in Washington with a near fifteen minute hold where he was ultimately broken for 5-4 in the 3rd. Amazingly he took the next step against a Zverev goating on return at Roger's Cup.:p Hopefully TsitsiFast throws down a gauntlet today having us wanting more matches between these two on all surfaces.:cool:
 
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