Rogers Cup Final..... Nadal v Jesuipas

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mike danny said:
Yeah, after Wimb I never want to hear the tiredness excuse for Nadal at AO 2017 :)
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He wasn't tired. He was simply outplayed in that fifth set. Look how clutch he was on defending all those BPs in that fifth set, it was Federer's insane aggression and that beautiful shot angle backhand return that got the key break.
 
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Hitman said:
He wasn't tired. He was simply outplayed in that fifth set. Look how clutch he was on defending all those BPs in that fifth set, it was Federer's insane aggression and that beautiful shot angle backhand return that got the key break.
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Yeah, Rafa is a monster on BP. He has to be since on average he has to save more of them than Federer and Djokovic.
 
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Hitman said:
He wasn't tired. He was simply outplayed in that fifth set. Look how clutch he was on defending all those BPs in that fifth set, it was Federer's insane aggression and that beautiful shot angle backhand return that got the key break.
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Both Federer and Djokovic outclutched Nadal at AO 2017 and Wimb 2018 respectively. That's what prompted them to win the strongest slams of the last 7 :)
 
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mike danny said:
Yeah, Rafa is a monster on BP. He has to be since on average he has to save more of them than Federer and Djokovic.
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If I ever wanted someone to save BP for me, it would be Nadal. However at Wimbledon 2018, it was Djokovic who was the monster on saving BPs.


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Both Federer and Djokovic outclutched Nadal at AO 2017 and Wimb 2018 respectively. That's what prompted them to win the strongest slams of the last 7 :)
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Both times Nadal on the verge of being two slams away from equalling the slam record.

Federer getting back at Nadal for AO 2009, and Djokovic getting back at Nadal for RG 2013 in those five set epics.
 
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My prediction is Nadal will win easily, exposing Tsitsipas' 1HBH. I've seen players with stronger 1HBH players who couldn't handle Nadal's spin. But, I'm always open for a surprise close match from Tsitsipas.
 
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Hitman said:
If I ever wanted someone to save BP for me, it would be Nadal. However at Wimbledon 2018, it was Djokovic who was the monster on saving BPs.




Both times Nadal on the verge of being two slams away from equalling the slam record.

Federer getting back at Nadal for AO 2009, and Djokovic getting back at Nadal for RG 2013 in those five set epics.
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Nadal even in the Wimb 2018 semi had to save many more BP's than Djokovic.

But Djokovic was a monster too in BP's. That FH pass in the 5th on BP was insane.
 
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mike danny said:
Oh yeah. Djokovic stole that 3rd set. Like Nadal did with the 4th at 2012 AO.
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I have said Djokovic kind of got payback for USO 2013 and RG 2013 in one match.

Nadal out clutched Djokovic in that key third set in USO 2013, despite Djokovic being the better player. Djokovic returned the favor in the key third set of Wimbledon 2018, by out clutching Nadal who IMO was the better player in the third set.

And that fifth set, Nadal broke Djokovic at 7-7 in RG 2013, this time Djokovic hit that epic pass at 7-7 in the fifth to hold him off and then proceeded to take it 10-8.
 
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Towser83 said:
Play a few rounds and tank would usually be the strategy. The think is, if he wins 2 matches and faces Djokovic there's no way in hell he's going to lay down and give Nole another win ahead of the USO. I believe his win vs Nole in Canada 2013 in the rd set tie break had a massive impact on the USO final. If Nole had won that I think he'd have won the USO too. So Nadal would be looking at winning 1 match then tanking - is it worth it? Or tanking in the semis which seems a bit pointless if you just busted yourself up winning an epic match with your biggest rival
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I really dont see it this way. I think he'll go to Cinci and try to prepare as well as he can and try to go as deep as he can. That's it. Not think too much about it. He wants that YE1 and he will probably try to win as much as he can till the USO because he knows he wont be able to do much after the USO, and Fed plays really well during that swing.
The Djokovic thing is an issue. Losing to Djoko in the quarters will impact his preparation for the USO, so that's a tricky one. If i was him though, i would still go for it and see what happens.
Nadal is not one for tanking. VERY rarely has he tanked matches, even if he has been foolish not to do so
 
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Hitman said:
I have said Djokovic kind of got payback for USO 2013 and RG 2013 in one match.

Nadal out clutched Djokovic in that key third set in USO 2013, despite Djokovic being the better player. Djokovic returned the favor in the key third set of Wimbledon 2018, by out clutching Nadal who IMO was the better player in the third set.

And that fifth set, Nadal broke Djokovic at 7-7 in RG 2013, this time Djokovic hit that epic pass at 7-7 in the fifth to hold him off and then proceeded to take it 10-8.
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Yeah, true.

Although Nadal played a million times better at 2018 Wimb than Djokovic at 2013 USO.
 
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Apun94 said:
I really dont see it this way. I think he'll go to Cinci and try to prepare as well as he can and try to go as deep as he can. That's it. Not think too much about it. He wants that YE1 and he will probably try to win as much as he can till the USO because he knows he wont be able to do much after the USO, and Fed plays really well during that swing.
The Djokovic thing is an issue. Losing to Djoko in the quarters will impact his preparation for the USO, so that's a tricky one. If i was him though, i would still go for it and see what happens.
Nadal is not one for tanking. VERY rarely has he tanked matches, even if he has been foolish not to do so
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Yeah I see what you mean. I think winning the USO is most important, if he does that the number 1 ranking is his and it's likely his anyway. Thus it is down to him to judge is playing Cincy is too much. When I say tank it I don't mean actually lose on purpose but just if you're in that tough match you don't die out on court to win. But he may have to play his heart out if he meets Djokovic, because that's not a match he will want to give up
 
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Russeljones said:
Tennis wins in three.
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Meles said:
Mentioned up a few posts above as things against Nadal for this match and I'll add that he's not in full form like he was in Barcelona because of simply not enough hard court matches.

Things that might get Tsitsipas the win:
1. Has not been broken in 4 of his 5 matches at Rogers Cup.:eek:
2. Zverev broke five times a Tsitsipas who had a lackluster first serve and a low percentage to boot (47.5%). Redlining Zverev has a lot of reach on first serve and has been returning exceptionally well this Summer.
3. Very smart tennis player who will try to adapt to deal with Nadal changing tactics
4. Calm like a professional assassin who won't be phased by the Nadal celebrations
5. Incredibly sneaky forehand that should be able to hit through any short balls garnered from Nadal.
6. Great depth (a key to winning) that will be even more effective on hard courts
7. Nadals heavy shots actually get to the opponent slower which means Rafa will have trouble rushing Tsitsispa
8. Slow deep returns that will stop Nadal from mauling right after the serve
9. Nadal does not have a heater serve like Anderson, et al to expose the Tsitsipas first return
10. Nadal on worse surface for him than Barcelona
11. Tsitsipas playing a touch better than Barcelona (where he dismantled a lot of solid clay court players)
12. Khachanov gave Nadal a tremendous match until their first set tiebreaker which suggests Nadal can definitely be had.

Less obvious Nadal plus:
Tsitsipas is more of a clay court player than a hard court player. He's won a much lower percentage of points over the last two weeks than on clay in Barcelona, but this is tempered by the toughness of the field with Duckworth in Washington the only weak player faced over the last two weeks.

Predicting Nadal in 2 tight sets or possibly three. Hoping that Tsitsipas gets in a good set to set the stage for future clashes. Tsitsipas did this with Zverev in Washington with a near fifteen minute hold where he was ultimately broken for 5-4 in the 3rd. Amazingly he took the next step against a Zverev goating on return at Roger's Cup.:p Hopefully TsitsiFast throws down a gauntlet today having us wanting more matches between these two on all surfaces.:cool:
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Nadal plus: He will eat the kid's SHBH like Greek salad.
But seriously, I'm impressed by Tsitsipas this week. His win over Zverev could be a defining moment in ATP in the years to come.
 
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I'd be shocked if Tsitsipas won. He plays clay court tennis and has a one handed backhand. Nadal is better everywhere except serve.
 
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Big_Dangerous said:
Eh, his match against Khachanov was pretty straightforward. Although the two sets were tight, (7-6, 6-4) he was pretty much in control of that one. Tsitisipas is on an amazing run, but you feel like he'll come crashing back down to Earth at some point. He's already beaten 4 top ten players in succession, I just can't see him pulling this one off, as amazing of a story as it would be. It's already been a dream kind of run for him, especially escaping the last two matches. Down a set and 5-2, he comes back to beat Zverev. Today, he dropped the opening set and had a lot of tough service games in the third set, having to fight off break points, as well as a match point in the breaker.

I won't write him off like others have, because this won't be an easy match. However, I just think Rafa will be too tough, so I'm gonna say Rafa wins 7-6, 6-4 or something like that.
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Think of the way he won those matches though. They were all close and he didn't blink mentally. Rafa is used to breaking his opponents' spirits very early on, we'll see if he can do it again.

Hitman said:
True. True.

I have never seen so much adrenaline and energy pouring out of someone for so many days and he could have kept going several hours more.
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Did you watch the Khachanov match? He did something I've never seen before, which was giving up on a ball he very much had a play on. Fed does this all the time to conserve energy but I've never seen Rafa do it...It was jarring. Of course he ended up winning but Brad/Cliff noticed how strange it was too. He could be nursing a hidden injury.

Towser83 said:
Wonder how that single handed backhand is gonna hold up against Nadal... could be tough for him
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While watching the Rafa/Khachanov match, they discussed some stats.

Surprisingly, Tsits is hitting his FH bigger than Del Potro. We are underrating how hard he is hitting because he's so graceful and unforced, but there is a tremendous amount of pace/spin on his ball.

I think Rafa is gonna have his hands full. My head says he'll win, but my gut says that Tsits is just on an unstoppable run for the ages and will do the impossible.
 
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Rosstour said:
Think of the way he won those matches though. They were all close and he didn't blink mentally. Rafa is used to breaking his opponents' spirits very early on, we'll see if he can do it again.



Did you watch the Khachanov match? He did something I've never seen before, which was giving up on a ball he very much had a play on. Fed does this all the time to conserve energy but I've never seen Rafa do it...It was jarring. Of course he ended up winning but Brad/Cliff noticed how strange it was too. He could be nursing a hidden injury.



While watching the Rafa/Khachanov match, they discussed some stats.

Surprisingly, Tsits is hitting his FH bigger than Del Potro. We are underrating how hard he is hitting because he's so graceful and unforced, but there is a tremendous amount of pace/spin on his ball.

I think Rafa is gonna have his hands full. My head says he'll win, but my gut says that Tsits is just on an unstoppable run for the ages and will do the impossible.
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Nadal is not injured. He wouldn't jeopardize his USO chances by playing Toronto.
 
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Rosstour said:
Think of the way he won those matches though. They were all close and he didn't blink mentally. Rafa is used to breaking his opponents' spirits very early on, we'll see if he can do it again.



Did you watch the Khachanov match? He did something I've never seen before, which was giving up on a ball he very much had a play on. Fed does this all the time to conserve energy but I've never seen Rafa do it...It was jarring. Of course he ended up winning but Brad/Cliff noticed how strange it was too. He could be nursing a hidden injury.



While watching the Rafa/Khachanov match, they discussed some stats.

Surprisingly, Tsits is hitting his FH bigger than Del Potro. We are underrating how hard he is hitting because he's so graceful and unforced, but there is a tremendous amount of pace/spin on his ball.

I think Rafa is gonna have his hands full. My head says he'll win, but my gut says that Tsits is just on an unstoppable run for the ages and will do the impossible.
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He's going to try and go into the backhand so much though. Will be interesting to see anyway, I hope Tittypitas can give a good match at least
 
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Rosstour said:
Did you watch the Khachanov match? He did something I've never seen before, which was giving up on a ball he very much had a play on. Fed does this all the time to conserve energy but I've never seen Rafa do it...It was jarring. Of course he ended up winning but Brad/Cliff noticed how strange it was too. He could be nursing a hidden injury.
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I didn't see the full match. Only some highlights.
 
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Rosstour said:
Think of the way he won those matches though. They were all close and he didn't blink mentally. Rafa is used to breaking his opponents' spirits very early on, we'll see if he can do it again.



Did you watch the Khachanov match? He did something I've never seen before, which was giving up on a ball he very much had a play on. Fed does this all the time to conserve energy but I've never seen Rafa do it...It was jarring. Of course he ended up winning but Brad/Cliff noticed how strange it was too. He could be nursing a hidden injury.



While watching the Rafa/Khachanov match, they discussed some stats.

Surprisingly, Tsits is hitting his FH bigger than Del Potro. We are underrating how hard he is hitting because he's so graceful and unforced, but there is a tremendous amount of pace/spin on his ball.

I think Rafa is gonna have his hands full. My head says he'll win, but my gut says that Tsits is just on an unstoppable run for the ages and will do the impossible.
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lol. Those stats make no sense.

Both Anderson and Zverev were hitting their forehands harder than Tsitsipas.
 
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I think Tsitsipas is more hungry now. Back in March it was his first final - first time going deep even. Now he wants to finally win something.

Also I'm not sure why people think he's best on clay. Clay was when he broke through, but he did well on grass and now HC too.

Still have to favor Nadal.
 
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mike danny said:
Yeah, true.

Although Nadal played a million times better at 2018 Wimb than Djokovic at 2013 USO.
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Hmmm...I don’t agree with this, Nadal was quite flat in the first set of the Wimbledon 2018 semi I thought, though upped his level a lot after that. Watched the whole of the 2013 USO final again 2 days ago and it was also a really high level from both players overall and actually one of my favourite matches to watch of all time.
 
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EloQuent said:
I think Tsitsipas is more hungry now. Back in March it was his first final - first time going deep even. Now he wants to finally win something.

Also I'm not sure why people think he's best on clay. Clay was when he broke through, but he did well on grass and now HC too.

Still have to favor Nadal.
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His ground strokes are more suited to clay and he has had considerably more success on clay in challengers/futures.

On the other hand, he likes to play from inside the baseline and has a pretty good serve, which explains his hard court success.
 
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Incognito said:
This is so typical you. Nadal wins a match, the opponent sucked, and when Nadal loses a match he played amazingly well.:rolleyes:
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Not necessarily. I believe Djokovic did play very well at 2013 RG and only Nadal could have beaten him.

Conversely, I don't think Nadal played great in the 2011 Wimb final, so I'm not biased against Nadal.
 
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they should start the women at 1, a marathon match takes it right into or through a first set of the men's...hate the scheduling of this week
 
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Topspin Slice said:
Hmmm...I don’t agree with this, Nadal was quite flat in the first set of the Wimbledon 2018 semi I thought, though upped his level a lot after that. Watched the whole of the 2013 USO final again 2 days ago and it was also a really high level from both players overall and actually one of my favourite matches to watch of all time.
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Djokovic was flat in sets 1 and 4 of the 2013 USO final. Nadal was only flat in set 1 of the 2018 Wimb SF.

I give Nadal full credit for stealing that 3rd set of the 2013 USO final because Djokovic did indeed play well in sets 2 and 3.
 
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I hope yes PN doesn't do their stupid split screen if they have to start the men's match before the women's match is over
 
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AndyM said:
Is the start time contingent on when the women's match ends?
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I do not think so, beyond a few minutes/Rafa's dawdling (though he's been ready this week)... those folks in the stands don't really care what's happening in the other city too much...a major flaw of this tournament that can catch them in a bad situation if it plays out...did once earlier in the week when Tennis Channel or ESPN was trying to cover 3 matches at once, but that was more a fluke...finals can, and should, be more assured in their scheduling barring weather
 
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I find it odd that Nadal started losing his hair at such a young age I mean his dad has a full set of hair
 
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