Didn’t they hit only two shots back then?
Sorry forgot the 3rd. Return of serve
Serve volley ros.
1 feet, 2 feet and 4 feet
Yeah they were a bit different weren’t they? Anyway my guess is 2 feet for rally ball.
6 feet sounds like joke. 1 inch shorter than Federer’s height!
10 feet is like hitting topspin lob everytime......lol
I have that book, but I never thought those numbers were correct and still don't.
So you think Borg’s average groundstrokes were at 6 feet over the net? That’s again like Federer standing on the net cord and Borg’s shots just clear his head!!
Maybe because your shots are not fast enough.
Or he just hits more “arc” and “loop” as opposed to “drives”.
But a groundstroke hit 2 feet behind the baseline isn't going to be your average shot. By comparison, they calculated the average net clearances at the 2013 World Tour Finals and got:
Those numbers sound about right to me. I will shoot some video soon at the AO standing just behind the player and exactly at the same level with him and post it here.
There were only 2 shots there about 2 net heights above the net and the discussion is about average height over the net.
This is from 7:40 in the video I posted above.
Each of these red lines represents the height of the net in the middle (3 feet). You can see the ball is two net heights above the net. This isn’t a moonball. It’s a routine groundstroke that all good players use to push their opponents back while using topspin to keep the net out of play.
If you watch the whole point, which starts at 7:30, you can see both players hit between 1 foot and 6 feet over the net depending upon the situation.
There were dozens throughout the match. I’m disputing your claim that a ball that clears the net by more than 6 feet is a “moonball” by showing you it’s a shot all pros use in nearly every point.
Borg lost that moonball point at 1:20, somewhat used strategy
Yeah Borg was terrible on the clay...
I think the problem is that a lot of these guys believe they are hitting “good” shots because they look fast and don’t clear the net by much. When in reality, a low fast ball will usually land short and still get eaten up by any decent player. If it even clears the net to begin with.
you are obviously a physicist.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
Go look up the meaning of average.
I’m not disputing the average, professor. I’m saying your claim that a ball that clears the net by 6 feet is a “moonball” is pure 3.5 delusion.
Moonball was a little exaggeration to emphasize my point. Besides if a rec player hits the ball 6 feet over the net and it lands on the baseline it could well be a moonball whereas Nadal's 6 feet above the net ball is a different story. Anyway does it mean you agree now that Borg's average groundies were not really 6 feet above the net?
i've played like that before... but the the string was set at 4-5ft over the net...I've recently been doing drills with the juniors over at my old academy and one day they had this setup. Hit above the tape for neutral balls, below it for attacking flat balls. Of course, none of these kids are Federer or Nadal (yet), but they'll be D1 players or above.
I think this is the “bread and butter” rally ball. What Brett Hobden calls the “arc ball”.
since us rec folks spend most of our time practicing the rally ball (ie. from the baseline, 1ft either side of the center hash), figure it would be useful knowledge that the good rally ball is probably an arc ball, vs. a hit-as-hard-as-you-can-laser-beam-1ft-above-the-net
