mike danny
Bionic Poster
Likewise if Fed had been in 2006 form in 2008, that year would have also been labeled as a weak year.
Final Slam count of Novak?
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mike danny
Bionic Poster
If they had played in the second half with little to no competition then yes, possibly.
2001-2003 wasn't worse than the second half of 2016.
DerekNoleFam1
Hall of Fame
I'd say 15-16.
But it is the makeup of this that will be interesting, I really would like to see him get the DCGS and become the AO standalone goat.
The USO he has underachieved as well, so another there would be fantastic.
But it is the makeup of this that will be interesting, I really would like to see him get the DCGS and become the AO standalone goat.
The USO he has underachieved as well, so another there would be fantastic.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I would like to see Murray do that to Federer.
abmk
Bionic Poster
yes, prime Hewitt would've beat a struggling in the wind Djoker at the USO in 12 and a zombie Djokovic in Wim 13 final.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Kyrgios is a complete joke, I wouldn't even consider him a contender.
He gets destroyed in straights by Nishikori on grass ROFLMAO.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Peak Fed in 2008? ROFLMAO.
2010 stronger than 2004, 2005 and 2007? ROFLMAO. 2010 was incredibly weak.
Nadal was pretty much prime on clay and grass in 2006 and 2007 so you are completely wrong.
Just because today's youngsters suck, it doesn't mean Nadal easn't serious competition in 2004-2007.
And I see you excluded Djokovic too.
Jontyg
Rookie
I think everyone thought that after 2011 he was going to crush Roger's record of GS wins. Nothing has changed with the field to make be belive that this can't happen. If Murray comes back and wins one more slam no one is going to proclaim that he will win 10 more.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
LOL I never believed even after FO 2016 that Novak was going to smash Roger's GS record. Only a small group of Djoker fans really considered that possibility after 2011, certainly not everyone.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
I remember many years back when I joined this place that I always said Djokovic was atleast a double digit slam calibre of player. Even when he had ''only'' 5-6 slams and was losing finals I had no doubt that he would reach ATG status and even out those lost slam finals, and for sure he can win more slams. He is healthy, he is motivated again. People counted him out not long ago but he proved that it was the wrong decision. He will compete for many more, and who knows what new elements to his game he will bring as he ages to be able to compete at the highest level.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Let's analyze the 2010 Nadal's season with empirical facts:
Roland Garros: strong competition. He defeated 25-year-old Soderling in the final, the only man in the history of humankind who has beated peak Nadal at Roland Garros. Soderling also had defeated Federer at RG 2010, so he was in form.
Soderling was diagnosed with Mononucelosis in August 2011, not in 2010. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/24/robin-soderling-retires-tennis-glandular-fever.
Wimbledon: weak but in form opponent in the final (Berdych). Berdych had destroyed both Federer and Djokovic at Wimbledon 2010. If Federer and Djokovic couldn't defeat Berdych, let alone Nadal. Nadal dominated Federer and Djokovic those days on grass.
US Open: strong competition. Nadal faced Djokovic in the final and defeated him. Now, some people put the excuse that Djokovic was not peak at the US Open 2010. I disagree. He started his peak the last months of 2010, he even beated Federer at the SF of the US Open. It's not like he was non-peak the 31th of December of 2010 and suddenly became a peak player the 1st of January of 2011.
T
Tiki-Taka
Guest
No idea but I hope he gets to 15 at least.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic became a peak player after winning the 2010 Davis Cup.
You're not fooling anyone by saying 2010 USO was peak Djokovic. 2010 was the only season between 2007 and 2016 when Djokovic did not win a big title. Novak was also very close to losing in the 1st round of the USO in 2010.
The only reason he even beat Federer in the 2010 USO semis was because Fed too had a bad season after the AO.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
It's insane isn't it? Assuming for simplicity he doesn't win US Open that would mean he has to win 2 slams per year for the next four years. That is a better rate than he was achieving them in his peak years. (his best period was seven between 13 and 16) And whilst players are doing better in their thirties the only reference point we really have is Federer who achieved three post 31. Even assuming Djoko hadn't been in the picture that would only have meant a possible six. Saying that players are achieving more successes in their early thirties is not the same as expecting them to do that consistently right up till 35.
Nothing is entirely impossible. But at the moment to talk about it as even a serious possibility is ludicrously optimistic.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Probably 16, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
At this point I think these forecasts are simply for fun or to support your favorite player. I think I voted for 17 but have no clue what will happen. I think Nole can win a few more, and maybe he could go on a rampage again. But it’s also perfectly possible this Wimbledon was his last slam.
We place way too much importance on the Slam count and race. I think there’s a lot more to tennis.
MatsPhilander
Legend
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
I didn't vote but I think 17 falls into the category of "reasonable optimism".
Frankly if Fed retires soon I might just take a break from tennis fandom for a couple of years! I can see it becoming very trying on the nerves!
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't believe they would be able to do what Murray had to do in order to get the #1. He won title after title and it took alot of physicality to do it.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
People went nuts because of the 4 in a row. If by some miracle Nole wins the USO everyone will think him the favorite for the AO19 (and probably rightly so in that scenario) and then start talking of Nole Slam 2. We can’t help ourselves.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, full credit to him as becoming no.1 is not easy.
But the second half of 2016 with no Big 3 and not many top 10 players in his way did help him.
Hewitt and Roddick would have their chances in such circumstances. It's not like the second half of 2016 was stronger than 2001-2003. Not at all actually.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
It's ok to get excited. We got too last year
But he just won his first slam in 2 years. Predicting another 8 all of a sudden is classic TTW hype.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
He won five titles in a row to finish the year.
1 YECs
2 Masters
2 ATP 500
The competition to those titles weren't the best for sure except beating Djokovic in that deciding match for YE#1 but still it is physically and mentally very tough. although there were no really big names but these are professional top players, it's not as easy as people think to just walsh through draws.
I doubt Hewitt or Roddick could do this to clinch YE#1 in this manner.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
You doubt because you underestimate them.
You are entitled to your opinion. I don't think Murray's feat would be insurmountable for Hewitt and Roddick.
Eren
Professional
Fair enough, but that's not how tennis works unfortunately. Djokovic was peak in 2015-2016RG. But he was not peak at Wimbledon 2016 anymore all of a sudden where he lost to Querrey. I don't believe Peakovic would lose against a player of that caliber.
I think 2010 USO Djokovic was very good. He beat decent Federer and survived those match points (even if they were on his own serve). That semi-final did exhaust him a little physically and perhaps mentally as well. Not much, but even a slight decrease in anything can make you lose against an in-form Nadal.
For me, Djokovic was a player that just came on the scene suddenly. In 2010, even December 2010, I never thought Djokovic would go on to win the next 4 out of 5 majors.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
In fact if you knew for certain that the 14th would be the last one that would be a sensible choice. Having something unique is more valuable than equalling Sampras. With that most people would put him ahead of Sampras anyway given his FO record.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe a healthy Hewitt could but Roddick is doubtful.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Roddick did win the Canada-Cincy-USO triple in 2003, something Murray alao was never close to achieving. So maybe in a not so competitive environment like the second half of 2016 he could.
Edgecrusher
Professional
I´m going with 16.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic was an ATG already after winning AO 2013.
Also, Djoko's serve is already fabulous. He needs a better FH and vetter BH DTL right now.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
He was in ATG territory with 6 majors but not firmly.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nah, nothing beats a slam.
A 3rd USO should a goal for him right now. It doesn't look good that Nadal has more USO titles than him.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I would say he was firmly. You don't need 10+ slams to be an ATG. That's a different tier altogether.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
10-11 is legend status IMO. 6-9 ATG
uscwang
Hall of Fame
2 AO
1 FO
1 WB
1 USO
are possible if Novak stays healthy and keeps improving his weapons. Who knew Rafa can still play this well on grass before this WB? The most diehard Rafa fans have probably written him off for WB after the 2012-17 draught. Fed, Nadal, Djokovic are the three best players in the open era. Any order among them stays possible until they all call it a career.
1 FO
1 WB
1 USO
are possible if Novak stays healthy and keeps improving his weapons. Who knew Rafa can still play this well on grass before this WB? The most diehard Rafa fans have probably written him off for WB after the 2012-17 draught. Fed, Nadal, Djokovic are the three best players in the open era. Any order among them stays possible until they all call it a career.
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BlueB
Legend
I like that plan a lot
It would make him undisputed AO goat, achieve double career slam, equalize Borg at W and Nadal at USO and get past Nadal in total. (The last 2, only if Nadal doesn't win more, of course...)
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GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Miracles do happen!
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
vex
Legend
Said 15 for the longest time but looking at his current health, level of play and his competition is looking more likely he’ll go for 16+
However, If Zev gets past puberty and mans up he could block a lotta slams in djoker’s post prime era. Same for a handful of young guns we seen flashes of talent from
However, If Zev gets past puberty and mans up he could block a lotta slams in djoker’s post prime era. Same for a handful of young guns we seen flashes of talent from
Peters
Professional
17-20.
He's hot favourite for winning in Australia, so early next year he'll probably be on 15 already. If he stays fit, and I think he has the type of body which can stay fit, I fully expect to see him get at least another 2 after that. So that's 17 minimum. Federer will be gone by then, and even Rafa's knees might be troubling him too much to continue for much longer - so the FO might become viable again.
He's just too much of a machine at full strength for any of the young'uns to really get on top of him in a slam for the foreseeable future, unless we get a breakout star develop over the next couple of years. (Or Novak indeed does develop more injury problems, but I have a feeling that will be unlikely).
Compared to Murray, Novak's body is much more lithe and flexible, he's been able to click back into shape very quickly.
He's hot favourite for winning in Australia, so early next year he'll probably be on 15 already. If he stays fit, and I think he has the type of body which can stay fit, I fully expect to see him get at least another 2 after that. So that's 17 minimum. Federer will be gone by then, and even Rafa's knees might be troubling him too much to continue for much longer - so the FO might become viable again.
He's just too much of a machine at full strength for any of the young'uns to really get on top of him in a slam for the foreseeable future, unless we get a breakout star develop over the next couple of years. (Or Novak indeed does develop more injury problems, but I have a feeling that will be unlikely).
Compared to Murray, Novak's body is much more lithe and flexible, he's been able to click back into shape very quickly.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
17.
Rumors has it, Pepe is coming back.
Rumors has it, Pepe is coming back.
Sosuke Aizen
Rookie
16-17
