Federer fan: I finally managed to accept the idea that Djokovic may overtake Federer

mike danny · Jan 30, 2019

roysid said:
Once Federer came back and won those long due slams, I am happy.

I am not bothered if Nadal or Djokovic passes it. Someone will cross it eventually. It's ok.

Fed achieved everything. What more do anyone want. 100 titles will also come this year

Well, whoever breaks Fed's GS record (if he breaks it) deserves it.

I just want to throw my 2 cents:

It's one thing to be Sampras and your record to be surpassed by a youngster 10 years your junior after you have already retired and it's another to be Federer.

Why? Because Sampras had no control over what Federer was doing.

Federer, on the other hand, has had way more control over his destiny since Nadal and Djokovic have been his biggest rivals in his era, unlike Federer to Sampras. It would be a much bigger blow if one of Djokovic or Nadal surpassed Federer because Federer would be surpassed by a rival of his own era whom he had a chance to stop while he was still active, but failed.

Not that I'll lose too much sleep over it if it happens, just putting this out there.

Trust me, it's a much bigger blow for Fed's record to be surpassed by Nadal or Djokovic, especially Nadal, whom Fed really had several opportunities to stop while he was still in his prime.

mike danny · Jan 30, 2019

SeeingDusk said:
although federer is my favorite player, i must admit that djokovic is already the goat in my eyes. he has a winning h2h against the big 3, and is a man of all surfaces. yes, he doesn't have the grace and elegance that fed has, but numbers don't lie.

So how come Djoker is already the GOAT if that's the case?

Jonas78 · Jan 30, 2019

mike danny said:
Trust me, recency bias is a strong thing. There are people on the internet who actually believe Raonic is the same level as Roddick and Nishikori, Anderson, Raonic are on the same level as Nalbandian, Hewitt, Davydenko etc.

Yeah ive seen it

. There are really no excuses for Raonic, Nishi etc. Some are blaming Big4, then how did 21y old Zverev manage to win 3 Masters in the same "era"? Their stats support the eye test, Nishikori is too weak on serve and Raonic is too weak on return.

SeeingDusk · Jan 30, 2019

mike danny said:
So how come Djoker is already the GOAT if that's the case?

i should've been more clear. but i was referring to the winning h2h record against fedal and murray. furthermore, nole won most of his slams by beating fedal and murray, while fedal (mainly fed) had much weaker opponents in the finals. in short, nole won his slams the hard way - by beating arguably the two greatest players in history, along with muzz.

mike danny · Jan 30, 2019

Jonas78 said:
Yeah ive seen it. There are really no excuses for Raonic, Nishi etc. Some are blaming Big4, then how did 21y old Zverev manage to win 3 Masters in the same "era"? Their stats support the eye test, Nishikori is too weak on serve and Raonic is too weak on return.

People here on TTW are a lot more knowledgeable than many people on the internet. I stay away from youtube comments and from reddit commens regarding competition because those guys really don't know much if they make asinine comments like those.

mike danny · Jan 30, 2019

SeeingDusk said:
i should've been more clear. but i was referring to the winning h2h record against fedal and murray. furthermore, nole won most of his slams by beating fedal and murray, while fedal (mainly fed) had much weaker opponents in the finals. in short, nole won his slams the hard way - by beating arguably the two greatest players in history, along with muzz.

Ahhh, I see.

Beating old Fed => herculean task.

Beating young Djokodal => irrelevant, doesn't even matter.

Overhyping wins against Murray.

Basically every Fed agenda argument in a nutshell.

tennisaddict · Jan 30, 2019

Let Djoker get to 20. Then we will talk whether we have anything to worry. Too Premature to talk about Djoker getting slam record

SeeingDusk · Jan 30, 2019

mike danny said:
Ahhh, I see.

Beating old Fed => herculean task.

Beating young Djokodal => irrelevant, doesn't even matter.

Overhyping wins against Murray.

Basically every Fed agenda argument in a nutshell.

i guess it's hard to compare different generations.

but, nole is also the only player to have won all 9 masters, and the only guy since laver to hold all 4 slams at once! can't beat that!

EasyGoing · Jan 30, 2019

SeeingDusk said:
i guess it's hard to compare different generations.

but, nole is also the only player to have won all 9 masters, and the only guy since laver to hold all 4 slams at once! can't beat that!

Yes, this masters thing is what puts Nole over the top. You really can’t beat that! Poor Laver winning 200 tournaments but 0 masters has nothing on him. Borg was winning channel slams at an age Nole was a punching bag, with completely different gamestyles at that, but what has he done at the Masters? Rog might be some GS’s ahead, but he doesn’t have all the Masters the loser!

No, you can’t beat the Masters, you just can’t!

johnwah · Jan 30, 2019

Fed will always be goat to me... no matter the numbers...

but yes im in the same boat as far as denial... both joker and nadal will pass fed...

Eren · Jan 30, 2019

tennisaddict said:
Let Djoker get to 20. Then we will talk whether we have anything to worry. Too Premature to talk about Djoker getting slam record

Yes, in fact, Djokovic needs 5 to match Federer, that's still 25% of Fed's career total. Suddenly, it sounds like a lot to win. Then again, he did win three in a row for the third time and could make it 4 in a row for the second time.

wangs78 · Jan 30, 2019

With Fed and Rafa fading in 2018-2019, the big storyline in tennis for the next 3-5 years will be whether Djokovic will break the Slam record. Nadal will be part of the storyline too but if he does not win another Slam in 2019 (most likely RG), then I think he is effectively out of the picture. Everytime I see Rafa play I am concerned by how weathered he looks. The guy has given every ounce of physical resource to his career it is scary. I really cannot see him being a contender beyond 2019, but I could be very very wrong. Same for Fed, beyond 2019, I can't see him contending anymore.

So it will be whether Djokovic can hold off Zverev, Tsitsipas and others for a few more years so that he can score 6 more Slams to break Fed's record.

As a Fed fan, if Nole gets to 19, I would love for him to make it to several Slam finals and lose them all (sort of like how Serena has been losing finals lately) and fall just short. That would be pretty cool.

ghostofMecir · Jan 30, 2019

Spencer Gore said:
Imagine hating a human being just because he's better at tennis than your favourite player.

Get a grip.

Purplemonster · Jan 30, 2019

bounccer said:
I've been following tennis for a while, 1996 to be exact. I've become a fierce fan of Federer. I hated Nadal, his game tailor made to counter Federer, his multiple injuries that often turned out to be life-saving breaks rather than real mountains to climb.....

Then I hated Djokovic the same way, I couldn't find any genius in him, I didn't like his robotic game. For me, these two players won, apart from Nadal on clay, only won because Federer had declined. The very idea that they had more slams than Federer was unthinkable to me and would have really affected me, even in my real life, which is quite pathetic to be honest.

But my eyes have changed in the last few days. I still can't imagine that Nadal can surpass Federer, he is a unique warrior and an extraordinary player, I can only recognize him, and tennis owes him a lot. But I don't think he's "worthy" of overtaking Federer. Too intermittent, never really dominant over a long period, too clay specialist.....

But Djokovic seems to me to be worthy of becoming number one for the first time. Not yet, but if he can match Federer in number of grand slam, he will have earned it, and it cannot be denied that he is incredibly complete, ultra solid and has all the shots of tennis in his repertoire. He doesn't have the elegance and grace of Federer, but if he can win 5 grand slam from now on, he will have shown incredible strength and resilience and, we'll have to bow down.

To sum up, I feel much more comfortable with the idea that Djokovic slam number exceeds 20, although I still hope he fails.

I know, no one cares, but I needed to share that feeling.

He is already worthy. He has been number 1 before and deservedly so. He has beaten Federer on many occasions. He has beaten him in finals at Wimbledon and the US and let’s not forget how he embarrassed him in back to back US Open semifinals. You don’t get to semis and finals of majors when you are declining. Silly, illogical post.

DSH · Jan 30, 2019

Spencer Gore said:
Imagine hating a human being just because he's better at tennis than your favourite player.

Get a grip.

idiocy, idiocy everywhere.

DSH · Jan 30, 2019

Zardoz7/12 said:
Since 2011 Djokovic has basically dominated this decade barring his motivational/injury issues after the French Open 2016 till his loss to Marco Cecchinato at the French Open in 2018 where he was p*ssed off like hell at losing that match.

How long can Djokovic still go at a high level because what I saw vs Nadal last Sunday wasn't that good from Novak, I've seen better play from him yet he still decimated Nadal.

I don't believe Djokovic or Nadal will pass Federer's slam record, put it this way I'll believe it when I see it and the other factor is why are we again writing Federer off that he won't another slam? How many times has he defied the odds? Why can't he do it again? "He's getting on 38, he's passed it" that's what people said when he took that injury break in 2016, that he was finished at 35.

contradiction too much.
do not you think?

swordtennis · Jan 30, 2019

"Old fed".
Fed fans were just preaching 2017 AO fed wipes out djokovic. As fed nears the end so do his fans.
LMAO.

DSH · Jan 30, 2019

mike danny said:
Well, whoever breaks Fed's GS record (if he breaks it) deserves it.

I just want to throw my 2 cents:

It's one thing to be Sampras and your record to be surpassed by a youngster 10 years your junior after you have already retired and it's another to be Federer.

Why? Because Sampras had no control over what Federer was doing.

Federer, on the other hand, has had way more control over his destiny since Nadal and Djokovic have been his biggest rivals in his era, unlike Federer to Sampras. It would be a much bigger blow if one of Djokovic or Nadal surpassed Federer because Federer would be surpassed by a rival of his own era whom he had a chance to stop while he was still active, but failed.

Not that I'll lose too much sleep over it if it happens, just putting this out there.

Trust me, it's a much bigger blow for Fed's record to be surpassed by Nadal or Djokovic, especially Nadal, whom Fed really had several opportunities to stop while he was still in his prime.

why are you making a huge deal anyway?

do you known federer personally, his family and friends?
Are you going to receive a donation or something like that from the Swiss?

I still do not understand how someone can feel devotion or hate someone else because the other has simply achieved more sporting achievements than his "heroes", so to speak.

Tennis_Hands · Jan 30, 2019

swordtennis said:
"Old fed".
Fed fans were just preaching 2017 AO fed wipes out djokovic. As fed nears the end so do his fans.
LMAO.

jackson ville voting for 1 Major in Djokovic's career.

lol

Deleted member 688153 · Jan 30, 2019

roysid said:
Once Federer came back and won those long due slams, I am happy.

I am not bothered if Nadal or Djokovic passes it. Someone will cross it eventually. It's ok.

Fed achieved everything. What more do anyone want. 100 titles will also come this year

This. If one of them breaks the record all I could do is applaud.

Djokovic2011 · Jan 30, 2019

wangs78 said:
With Fed and Rafa fading in 2018-2019, the big storyline in tennis for the next 3-5 years will be whether Djokovic will break the Slam record. Nadal will be part of the storyline too but if he does not win another Slam in 2019 (most likely RG), then I think he is effectively out of the picture. Everytime I see Rafa play I am concerned by how weathered he looks. The guy has given every ounce of physical resource to his career it is scary. I really cannot see him being a contender beyond 2019, but I could be very very wrong. Same for Fed, beyond 2019, I can't see him contending anymore.

So it will be whether Djokovic can hold off Zverev, Tsitsipas and others for a few more years so that he can score 6 more Slams to break Fed's record.

As a Fed fan, if Nole gets to 19, I would love for him to make it to several Slam finals and lose them all (sort of like how Serena has been losing finals lately) and fall just short. That would be pretty cool.

Pretty cool? Hmm, if you don't want anyone to consider Djokovic greater than Federer you should be hoping he finishes on 17 at the most, not 19. Just sayin'.

NoleFam · Jan 30, 2019

EasyGoing said:
Yes, this masters thing is what puts Nole over the top. You really can’t beat that! Poor Laver winning 200 tournaments but 0 masters has nothing on him. Borg was winning channel slams at an age Nole was a punching bag, with completely different gamestyles at that, but what has he done at the Masters? Rog might be some GS’s ahead, but he doesn’t have all the Masters the loser!

No, you can’t beat the Masters, you just can’t!

Djokovic was a "punching bag" at 22-24 years old? I mean that was the age Borg won his channel Slams right? Didn't Djokovic win 4 Slams during that time? It's great to have the overinflated bragging rights of a channel Slam but a USO title is more important, which is something Djokovic did once at that age and something Borg never did.

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Eren said:
Yes, in fact, Djokovic needs 5 to match Federer, that's still 25% of Fed's career total. Suddenly, it sounds like a lot to win. Then again, he did win three in a row for the third time and could make it 4 in a row for the second time.

6.5 months ago it was 20-12. Djokovic is over 30. Insurmountable! That's 3 GS in 6.5 months. 20-15. Pshh. The fact that Djokovic is *only* 31 makes it a forgone conclusion that he'll exceed 20. Five does not seem like a lot at all no matter how you do your math.

Old Gregg · Jan 30, 2019

roysid said:
Hmm..he willl win one atleast.
Next is Dubai. Good chance there

As long as Djok doesn't make a late entry.

I think the 100 titles has played more heavily on Fed's mind than we think. It was hanging over him for a good part of 2018 and he came up short everytime.

True Fanerer · Jan 30, 2019

weakera said:
No one cares, most people have been respecting Novak's excellence for years, it's sad that your devotion to maestro has been so strong that it took you this long. You care more about maestro than tennis, which is sad.

LOL

True Fanerer · Jan 30, 2019

I'm not ok with it.

Screw acceptance.

Eren · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
6.5 months ago it was 20-12. Djokovic is over 30. Insurmountable! That's 3 GS in 6.5 months. 20-15. Pshh. The fact that Djokovic is *only* 31 makes it a forgone conclusion that he'll exceed 20. Five does not seem like a lot at all no matter how you do your math.

Second part of my post was a summary of what you said. I put things into perspective (5 is a lot), but given he won 3/3 it's possible but far from guaranteed.

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

I think it's a bit too early to say Djokovic is going to overtake Federer... 5 slams are 5 slams. That's one third of what Novak has won so far...

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

mike danny said:
Trust me, recency bias is a strong thing. There are people on the internet who actually believe Raonic is the same level as Roddick and Nishikori, Anderson, Raonic are on the same level as Nalbandian, Hewitt, Davydenko etc.

Anderson is on the same level as Schuttler.

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
I think it's a bit too early to say Djokovic is going to overtake Federer... 5 slams are 5 slams. That's one third of what Novak has won so far...

I love how people play with math. 6.5 months ago, 3 was 25% of what he had. So what?

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
I love how people play with math. 6.5 months ago, 3 was 25% of what he had. So what?

Because winning 5 majors isn't easy lmao? How long have you been following tennis and how old are you?

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
Because winning 5 majors isn't easy lmao? How long have you been following tennis and how old are you?

Is playing over age 30 the same now as it was 30 years ago? 20 years ago?

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
Is playing over age 30 the same now as it was 30 years ago? 20 years ago?

Has Djokovic dropped outside the top 20 recently? Has he had his poorest stretch since 2007 the last 2 years?

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
Because winning 5 majors isn't easy lmao? How long have you been following tennis and how old are you?

I like how this guy is trying to cite to authority. I'm 10 and I just started following tennis.

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
Has Djokovic dropped outside the top 20 recently? Has he had his poorest stretch since 2007 the last 2 years?

Did Djokovic heal from his injury?

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
I like how this guy is trying to cite to authority. I'm 10 and I just started following tennis.

With your logic I wonder...

1HBHNation · Jan 30, 2019

at this rate 5 is nothing for novak. who's gonna challenge him/???? ralphie hair do?

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
Did Djokovic heal from his injury?

Did Murray? How many injuries do you expect him to come back from?

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

1HBHNation said:
at this rate 5 is nothing for novak. who's gonna challenge him/???? ralphie hair do?

My man.

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
Did Murray? How many injuries do you expect him to come back from?

You got me there, Guru. Can't predict injuries.

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
You got me there, Guru. Can't predict injuries.

So you think Novak is invincible? That this guy is going to play until he's 50 and win 36 majors? What do you believe?

He has dropped below 20th in the rankings for the first time since 2006 only last year. He is in great form right now but Novak has shown he cannot maintain his monster level for long durations.

Djokodal Fan · Jan 30, 2019

I can't believe that people are so hung up on slam counts here. I was so happy that djokovic finally won his french open title in 2016. I also felt happy when he won the 'real slam' last year. TBH slam count never really bothered me. What is it going to do me as a fan whether djokovic has 6 slams or 20 slams? i'm here to enjoy his game and what he brings when playing his opponent.

Yes I felt dejected when he was off for almost 2 years due to injury because I felt every great champion should bow out with respect. But I really was never bothered by his 12 slams before his injury kicked in.

I would go to the extent of saying that Murray by himself is a legend with just 3 slams to his name. not many in the world can have a resume like him. So, it's kind of awkward seeing all these newbies and seasoned tennis aficionados crying and fighting over slam counts and GOAThood.

It's federer, Nadal or Djokovic who are marching down the history lane, not you or me

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
So you think Novak is invincible? That this guy is going to play until he's 50 and win 36 majors? What do you believe?

He has dropped below 20th in the rankings for the first time since 2006 only last year. He is in great form right now but Novak has shown he cannot maintain his monster level for long durations.

Was he injured last year?

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Djokodal Fan said:
I can't believe that people are so hung up on slam counts here. I was so happy that djokovic finally won his french open title in 2016. I also felt happy when he won the 'real slam' last year. TBH slam count never really bothered me. What is it going to do me as a fan whether djokovic has 6 slams or 20 slams? i'm here to enjoy his game and what he brings when playing his opponent.

Yes I felt dejected when he was off for almost 2 years due to injury because I felt every great champion should bow out with respect. But I really was never bothered by his 12 slams before his injury kicked in.

I would go to the extent of saying that Murray by himself is a legend with just 3 slams to his name. not many in the world can have a resume like him. So, it's kind of awkward seeing all these newbies and seasoned tennis aficionados crying and fighting over slam counts and GOAThood.

It's federer, Nadal or Djokovic who are marching down the history lane, not you or me

I asked a fan of Djokovic the other day if they were finally happy with what he achieved. He has a unique career and can't really be compared to anybody, much like Fedal. That should be enough surely...

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
Was he injured last year?

Does that showcase the fact he's carried injuries before and may do so again? Predicting the future in tennis isn't a wise move. I have no idea how much Novak could win. He could win 16 majors or he could win 22. Who knows?

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
Does that showcase the fact he's carried injuries before and may do so again? Predicting the future in tennis isn't a wise move. I have no idea how much Novak could win. He could win 16 majors or he could win 22. Who knows?

I thought I just conceded that I can't predict injuries. Got anything else?

Deleted member 307496 · Jan 30, 2019

Keystoner said:
I thought I just conceded that I can't predict injuries. Got anything else?

Someone stepping up? A drop in level?

Deleted member 762343 · Jan 30, 2019

Djokovic2011 said:
Pretty cool? Hmm, if you don't want anyone to consider Djokovic greater than Federer you should be hoping he finishes on 17 at the most, not 19. Just sayin'.

Personally I won't consider Djokovic greater than Federer if he ends up with 19 GS. He'd have to get 20 GS for me to consider him greater than Federer.

Keystoner · Jan 30, 2019

Sabratha said:
Someone stepping up? A drop in level?

Yeah, I hope that happens.

TheMaestro1990 · Jan 30, 2019

Djokovic is sensational. He can win five more slams and more, but take it one day at a time. Fed looked pretty invincible after AO 2010, yet it took him two and a half years to get the next slam.

But things are looking good for Djokovic. Next gen is still to step up in slams. Lost generation is still lost. Players like Delpo and Cilic won’t get any better as their movement never were that great to begin with. Unlikely that Fed will regain 2017 form, if so only for a short, short while. Nadal injury prone as ever, will still be the favorite on clay, but not elsewhere.

BUT: an injury, a player breaks through, motivional loss, sickness etc can effect Djokovic. Don’t look five slams ahead. That’s 1/3 of what he won from 2008 up til now.

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