RS
Bionic Poster
Not in that post but generally. Read some of your above posts on Nadal above.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I credit him for his achievements especially on clay. I see pure determination amazing physical abilities. I am impressed with his winning spirit etc etc but i am not impressed in his tennis skills. Let's put it this way. I am not a fan of high top spin shots from the back getting the ball back in play extending the rallies until no end etc etc.
I truly think that Fed and Novak are much better tennis players. That's probably why they have dominated more the game and got less injured.
I really dislike his attitude as well. Blaming injuries for his losses or demanding ban against a referee like Carlos Benardes. That just says a lot on the guy. Not my thing sorry.
The kind of tennis i want to pay for:
I truly think that Fed and Novak are much better tennis players. That's probably why they have dominated more the game and got less injured.
I really dislike his attitude as well. Blaming injuries for his losses or demanding ban against a referee like Carlos Benardes. That just says a lot on the guy. Not my thing sorry.
The kind of tennis i want to pay for:
RS
Bionic Poster
That ball popping has lots of skill,talent and strength in it. You clearly are against Nadal big time. Nadal is no worse of a sportsman than his rivals.
Just because you pay to see a certain style of tennis that does not mean you have to degrade Nadal.
Nadal has a top 2 FH of the modern era and he has a great BH,very good netplay and smashes and can be very aggressive when he is in the zone.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Fed and Novak are not known to have asked for a referee to get a ban. That's putting pressure on the referees.
Nadal's style of plays requires talent and skill. That would be crazy to think otherwise. In my opinion being able to outclass your opponents by taking time away and hitting winners all over the place returning a drop shot on a first serve winning 6/0 6/0 in the semi finals of a YEC that's just another class.
I really think that Novak Fed and other players have always felt they were better tennis players than Nadal that's why they really got upset when they lost.
RS
Bionic Poster
Djokovic and Federer have had other unsportsmanlike moments though.
Nadal is not as good as Federer at making the game look easy. But my point was sometimes your to against him.
Preference is fine.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Every player have had unsportsmanlike. Tennis players are known for having big ego's.
But getting a referee banned is bad.
RS
Bionic Poster
He said it in the heat of the moment. Sure it is bad but is it worse than hitting balls in the crowd out of frustration or calling Djokovic a joke in DC 2006?
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I am not here to judge everyone's behaviour.
Back in the day Novak was always pretending to be injured retiring and being a joke at times. To be fair he has improved a lot and he's now really nice guy close to his fans. Much more genuine than he used to. And i really enjoy Novak's tennis. Not as easy as fed but still amazing. His 2015 and 2011 season's are amazing. Winning the WTF 4 times in a row. Getting back from world number 22 in the world to world number 1 outstanding.
Throwing a ball in the ground smashing a racket etc etc is not cheating.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
So only hard court matches count?. Lets just forget that grass or clay exists, cos the argument only suits HC eh
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Benjamin Rio
Professional
So only hard court matches count?. Lets just forget that grass or clay exists, cos the argument only suits HC eh
I talked about clay.
"Last time Nadal had beaten Novak before Madrid 2017 was in the FO final 2014."
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I hope so. The French Open will be massive in that regard. Nadal is favorite but Novak will have his chances.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn...-rafael-nadal-nor-novak-djokovic?platform=amp
I kind of agree with this article.
RS
Bionic Poster
Hitting a ball into the crowd could have hurt people. Calling somebody a joke can be seen as disrespectful no matter if you consider it true. Or calling Djokovic lucky after USO 2011.
The point is Nadal sportsmanship is no where near as bad as you are claiming.
Novak 2011/2015 was amazing yes.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Nadal is not bad but super bad. Banning a referee (that's cheating and says a lot about the guy) always blaming injuries for his losses.
Why do you think does he get more injured than Fed and Novak?
Because he has to push his own limits to keep in touch with Fed and Novak standards. That's what happened against Cilic last year at the AO. Nadal was not unlucky. He paid the price for overplaying and his style of play.
Djokovic was a joke at the time and he's come out as a really good guy. Down to earth close to his fans and not pretentious.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
The first set of examples are heat of the moment stuff and while they do not cover Fedovic in glory, they are still nowhere as bad as wanting an umpire removed from your matches just because he gets tough with you. The latter is basically throwing your weight around to get what you want. Only one player out of the three keeps constantly complaining about the conditions either himself or through his self anointed spokesperson Toni. So as far as sportsmanship goes, no, Nadal is a long way behind Fedovic. Which is not a big deal in the larger scheme of things if you compare it to Connors wiping off a mark so that the point would be ruled in his favour. Largely the big three conduct themselves well.
RS
Bionic Poster
Nadal does not always blame injury for losing and he often has them.
In that video Roddick was making fun of Novak and rumors said they had a little locker room spat.
I already agree Nadal is not as good as Fed or Novak at finishing points earlier. But he has proven he can play aggressive and finish points ala Wimbeldon 2018.
RS
Bionic Poster
Carlos has done Nadal matches since has he not? I agree it was not the most sportsmanlike thing but Feds statement was in the heat of the moment too.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
He's always complaining about having more injuries than Fed and Novak. Implying he would have achieved more than them if injury free.
He got injured not because he was unlucky but because he had to push his own limits to reach Fed and Novaks standarts.
When Djokovic got fitter his level of tennis was out of reach for Nadal.
RS
Bionic Poster
Did he mention it in Wimbeldon 2018 or after his 5 losses in a row to Fed in 2015/2017? Or his 7 losses in a row to Nole in 2011-12?
Nadal injury problems have also been down to bad luck as well as his game to a extent. Nadal has a congenital bone disorder. That is clearly some bad luck.
When Djokovic got fitter he controlled both Federer and Nadal.
Anyway Djokovic did not have to many issues from 2007 to 2009 it effected him a lot more in 2010 and he seeked help big time and made a transformation.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
He was complaining about the roof at Wimbledon.
YEC on clay being more injured than the others banning a referee taking too much time between points ....not my thing.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
RS
Bionic Poster
Did he not say after the match he did not want to talk about it and downplay it?No, he didn't:
RS
Bionic Poster
Federer has asked for faster courts to aid more attacking in 2012 and mentioned slower courts too. Nadal has only mentioned that a few times. Does not mean much. Your proving even more you are a hater.
He mentioned the roof briefly. Nadal does take time between points yes he should be faster on points sometimes.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Come on, this is nothing but Nadal being coy. The way to kill injury talks is to say outright, "I'm not injured." Anything else is beating around the bush and implicitly admitting the injury.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
That's implying it....a way or another.
That's basically saying "Without my injuries i would be the GOAT the best tennis player ever" which is not really the case.
The Fedfather
Legend
I loved Rafa's response here so much! It was lighthearted yet had a better effect of showing how BS Novak's comments than if he went into explaining why Djokovic's wrong, referring to the score or something like that. Just how smoothly he reacts, I broke into laughter like the people in the presser when watching it the first time.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I mean courts are slow nowadays. That's a fact and that's why records are being achieved.
http://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/25973071/tennis-roger-federer-goat-rafael-nadal-novak-djokovic
I think Fed is right. Hard courts even at the YEC are slow.
The final between Nadal and Novak at the AO in 2012 is a perfect example. Their match was similar to a clay court game.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
LOL
He never in recent times had that before or after that match.
Just like his "injury" at the AO this year, where he "didn't want to talk about it", but made sure to walk the entire walk in the corridors after the match with Djokovic in front of every camera with his shirt off, so that noone missed it.
Yep, that guy.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I loved Rafa's response here so much! It was lighthearted yet had a better effect of showing how BS Novak's comments than if he went into explaining why Djokovic's wrong, referring to the score or something like that. Just how smoothly he reacts, I broke into laughter like the people in the presser when watching it the first time.
That was really funny and pretentious from Novak.
Even if Novak was really pushing it way too far, i think he had the feeling that he was a better tennis player but lacked mental and physical strength to play with Nadal.
The Fedfather
Legend
Which means he really wasn't the better player, doesn't it?
Benjamin Rio
Professional
https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/08/rafa...als-roger-federer-and-novak-djokovic-7925415/
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‘Sorry, but is not fair to compare myself with them,’ he said in his post match press conference. ‘They didn’t have a – Novak had something last year. Roger have couple of ones. But at the age of 36 is not the same.
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‘Sorry, but is not fair to compare myself with them,’ he said in his post match press conference. ‘They didn’t have a – Novak had something last year. Roger have couple of ones. But at the age of 36 is not the same.
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/08/rafa...derer-and-novak-djokovic-7925415/?ito=cbshare
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Benjamin Rio
Professional
Which means he really wasn't the better player, doesn't it?
Nadal was the much better player that day. No question about that.
Was Novak impressed by Nadal's skills? Don't think so.
Was Novak being pretentious? Absolutely.
But in a way he was not that wrong in his statement.
The Fedfather
Legend
"I realized today that I don't need to play anything special..."
He was clearly not impressed.Benjamin Rio
Professional
"I realized today that I don't need to play anything special..."
He was not impressed. He didn't measure how strong mentally and physically you need to be in order to compete with Nadal.
RS
Bionic Poster
A slower HC like AO 2011-12 cannot be the exact same as clay still.
And it balances out your claim. If Federer is right then it balances it out.
YEC was slower from 2012 to 2015 not now it has played faster in the last 3 additions.
RS
Bionic Poster
Is that one example you have of him pointing out his worse luck with injury? Did you not say all the time?
Benjamin Rio
Professional
It's not out of luck. It's because of his style of play.
Each time he blames injury for his lack of results (implying that without injuries he would be better than fed and novak), my ears are bleeding.
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Yes but y'all love to talk about the last time he won a set on hard courts, yet he took 2 off of him on grass not long ago
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Hard courts are too slow.
Novak vs Nadal in 2012 at the australian open lasted 6 hours. Both of them played a clay court game.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Yes but y'all love to talk about the last time he won a set on hard courts, yet he took 2 off of him on grass not long ago
Djokovic was not at his top and was actually lucky to win with tbe roof.
Grass is not hard court. Check out Beijing 2013 2015 Doha 2016 Ao 2019 London 2013 2015
Obviously it still wasnt clay since Novak won. Had it been clay he never wins in 2012. The French Open final was a relative drubbing despite going 4 sets. Novak got only 1 of 8 sets vs Nadal on clay this year. Novak's form in 2012 was not good enough and Nadal's too good for Novak to make any impact on clay. So the fact Novak won the Australian Open final at all already disproves this logic.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
I said they played a style of tennis similar to clay. That's why experts are saying there's been an homogenization of the surfaces allowing players to break records.
Nadal is obviously the king of clay in 2012. Djokovic was closer in 2011 (Madrid and Roma) 2013 (MC) 2014 (Roma) and better in 2015 ( MC FO) 2016.
RS
Bionic Poster
That is a opinion. Their could be a case for more faster courts but the same could be said about tennis having a 2nd clay slam as well.
AO 2012 would still bounce lower than a clay court. The physics of the surfaces are not the same.
RS
Bionic Poster
I gave a lot of examples he did not. It is a mixture but luck comes into it. Ferrer has a style as hard or harder on the body as Nadal and has not got injuried as much. Boris Becker has even said himself it can be down to luck.
Nadal was born with a bone disorder genetically that is bad luck too.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Clay has got 1 slam and 3 MS that's more than enough. Grass 1 GS that's all.
We need more diversity more attacking players than retrievers so that's why i think courts should be faster. If not it's same style of tennis all year round.
Benjamin Rio
Professional
Nadal pushed his body to the limits. He went even further than Ferrer. Nadal not injured is a beast. He gets every ball back in play outlast his opponents until there's no solution.
He played loads of tournaments in a small amount of time. MC Barcelone Madrid Roma FO Queens Wimbledon.
Djokovic2015
Semi-Pro
Do you believe slam titles are the only measure of greatness?
Hitman is just clever. He supports narrative "number of slams is the major criteria for GOAT" knowing that Djokovic will overtake Federer in this category. Then, he will have moral right to claim that Djokovic is the GOAT and no one can say anything about it. Hitman has a long term strategy.
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