Is there a poly that can maintain playability for 15-16 hours?

CiscoPC600

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I know the answer is likely no... But I'm tired of playing with dead polys. I usually snap them around the 20 hour mark (1.25mm), but by then I've been miserable for the last 3-4 sessions and my level of play drops significantly.. it's probably affecting my mechanics now that I type this out. I can't play with multis because they snap in less than 5 hours. And I don't want to re-string every week.

Am I just being unrealistic? I'm starting to think some hybrid of 4G and gut or multi would be my best bet.
 

TagUrIt

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I started using hybrids poly and gut. Really enjoying this setup. I’d also recommend going with the next gauge up, slightly thicker string could help as well.
 

ARaj

Rookie
Great question, I snap my hybrids in 3-4hours in my RF97, which is a joke. I've tried both smooth and rough polys, various multis/synthetics at the the thickest possible gauge and my best duration was 7 hours!

I can keep hyper G in my RF97 for 20hours but as OP said, the last few hours are definitely not as crisp as earlier and almost starts to cause some arm/elbow pain if I don't re-string early enough

RPM blast is the longest lasting poly i've tried playability wise but its too stiff for me
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
gut/poly, 18x20 control frames and doubles play are a boon to durability.

Baseline ball bashing, open string beds and stiff rackets, and high friction setups are a string snappers nightmare.

I'd look at pre stretched polys like 4G, Max power and Proline 2. Throw them in a hybrid if too stiff for you.
 
Yonex poly tour pro and 4G (warning, stiff as ...) come to mind. I actually use YPTP as a cross in a multi/poly hybrid since it holds tension better than most polys.
 

TW Staff

Administrator
@CiscoPC600,
I love the feel of a gut hybrid with Luxilon 4G in the crosses. That may be a good choice for you, but you will have to give it a try to see how long it lasts you before you snap it. Try to use 16 or 15L natural gut if you decide to go the hybrid route.

Most of the co-polys on this thread are good options, and as mentioned you might want to try going up in gauge to 1.30mm. My favorite co-polys for tension maintenance are Luxilon 4G, Solinco Hyper-G, and Signum Pro Poly Plasma.

Troy, TW
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
You guessed the right answer, which is NO. You really do not want polyester strings to last more than 12-16 hours. Even 4G should be replaced by hour 16 if it hasn't broken. The string's elasticity is gone by then [polyester does not have much to start with] and the string no longer performs like new. Only difference I have found is that the performance drop off is not cliff-like with pre stretched polyesters. They start off deadish and get deader.
 

CiscoPC600

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I figured. It seems like even a full bed of thicker polys would also eventually go dead or trampoline after the 10-12 hour mark.

I'll try a gut hybrid then with 4G soft. Let's see if the extended playability of gut keeps the dead poly afloat for a few more sessions. Send prayers for durability haha.
 
@CiscoPC600,
I love the feel of a gut hybrid with Luxilon 4G in the crosses. That may be a good choice for you, but you will have to give it a try to see how long it lasts you before you snap it. Try to use 16 or 15L natural gut if you decide to go the hybrid route.

Most of the co-polys on this thread are good options, and as mentioned you might want to try going up in gauge to 1.30mm. My favorite co-polys for tension maintenance are Luxilon 4G, Solinco Hyper-G, and Signum Pro Poly Plasma.

Troy, TW
I figured. It seems like even a full bed of thicker polys would also eventually go dead or trampoline after the 10-12 hour mark.

I'll try a gut hybrid then with 4G soft. Let's see if the extended playability of gut keeps the dead poly afloat for a few more sessions. Send prayers for durability haha.

You could try string savers with the hybrid. I use them and I get significantly more string durability for multi mains. Of course, the more you use the longer they'll last at the cost of a slightly stiffer bed.

I use 3 rows of 5 savers in a zig zag pattern on the spot where they fray first, a bit above sweetspot (kind of like Federer's set up, with an extra row below)

The added stiffness is barely noticeable to me (YMMV). I'd use more for gut since they should still feel good even with lots of string savers (to a point), and gut never dies: make them last as long as possible before breaking.

EDIT: question: Gut or poly mains?
 
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lucieisland

Semi-Pro
using gut/poly, with gut on main, trying yonex poly tour fire, pro, strike and tought.. (cream and plasma too), for me, the best for the moment is poly tour pro, (for tension stability over 14h and the price), plasma (ofr me it's just less than YPTP), i love too yonex poly tour fire, but the price..., i play with poly tour tought now, it's over 8h, i'm waiting to see when it going to loose tension..

poly tour pro: 16h...with elastocross tourna..
 

CiscoPC600

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using gut/poly, with gut on main, trying yonex poly tour fire, pro, strike and tought.. (cream and plasma too), for me, the best for the moment is poly tour pro, (for tension stability over 14h and the price), plasma (ofr me it's just less than YPTP), i love too yonex poly tour fire, but the price..., i play with poly tour tought now, it's over 8h, i'm waiting to see when it going to loose tension..

poly tour pro: 16h...with elastocross tourna..

Which gauge are you using for poly tour pro? the 17g (1.20) has a 33% tension loss according to TW's tool but obviously I understand this isn't exactly undisputed but their tool says tension loss gets worse with the thicker pro versions. I've seen many posts about pro that contradict the tool, so I'm curious what you use. Thanks!
 
Which gauge are you using for poly tour pro? the 17g (1.20) has a 33% tension loss according to TW's tool but obviously I understand this isn't exactly undisputed but their tool says tension loss gets worse with the thicker pro versions. I've seen many posts about pro that contradict the tool, so I'm curious what you use. Thanks!
I was under the impression that thicker strings meant less tension loss (both strung at the same tension) :confused:
I know you didn't ask me but FWIW I use 16L and never had any real problems. The nice thing with gut or multi mains/poly cross is that you don't feel the poly nearly as much, and therefore don't feel the loses as much either.
 

blai212

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signum pro poly plasma 18g is my go to cross string, soft smooth round copoly that maintains tension well. I also like yonex poly tour pro 17g but 18g SPPP jus feels better for me.


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Sander001

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Low tensions help a lot with longevity(along with spin and feel). Takes some getting use to but after stringing full poly in the 60's for years, I now use it in the 30's and would never go back :D

*I use full polyester in back up racquets
 

Injured Again

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How long did TB last for you? And compared to what other strings?

I think I got about 15 hours out of it before I cut it out. It was the 1.30 gauge and I was (and am) trying to find my go-to string for my SW104. It did lose some tension but I really didn't feel a lot of loss of control or spin. The playability was good so I kept it in to see how long I could go and will feel satisfied with it.

I've tested a whole host of strings in the last three months. Besides Tour Bite, I also tried:

Hyper-G: A bit more muted and a hair less power, but tension loss affected playability more than Tour Bite. Good for maybe 10 hours - possibly more if I strung it up tighter initially.

Revolution: In between Hyper-G and Tour Bite. Loses a bit more tension than Tour Bite and a bit more affected by tension loss as well, but still good for 10-12 hours.

Revolve Spin: An absolute middle of the road string in all respects.

RPM Blast Rough: Tension loss killed this string in just a few hours.

Element Rough: The rough version didn't seem to have much more grip than regular Element, and both were too springy for me. They lose tension pretty quickly and I think I cut it out after about eight hours due to loss of playability.

Cyclone: My son's go to string for the last few years, but just a bit too springy for me and not as much grip on the ball as the Solinco strings. Seems to lose tension around the 6-8 hour mark and becomes a rocket launcher.

V-Torque: Absolute magic for the first hour - most bite of any string I've tried, but huge tension loss made it unplayable after three hours.

Cube: Great bite on the ball, more than the Solinco strings, and slightly below average power levels. Playability changed after about six hours and then lost that firm bite on the ball, and flatter shots felt dead and rebounded inconsistently. Very sensitive to incoming spin which was a problem volleying heavy underspin shots.

Neon Dust: The cross string is too soft and loses too much tension, and this became uncontrollable in about eight hours. Might be better with a firmer cross.

Solstice Power: This was my go-to string for the past couple of years. It worked great in my Overdrive 110, a 16X19 racquet in which I used the 1.35 gauge. Great spin, good comfort, a nice pocketing feel, and not too affected by tension loss, which it loses probably a bit more than average for poly strings. However, it doesn't seem to work as well in my SW104, where it feels harsher and without that good ball bite. I'm going to retry this string in different gauges but in my Overdrive 110, it was good for a solid 12 hours before it wore smooth and notched to the point where spin noticeably went down.

Quadro Twist: Despite the excellent TW review, this string had minimal ball bite and a low launch angle, like it just had no grip. It was powerful and comfortable, but no better spin than a round poly string. I cut this out before it really lost much tension.

Tour Sniper: I tested this Grapplesnake string when it was still known as the "prototype". Round poly that is very low in power and very control oriented. Good for about ten hours and then got very harsh on mis-hits.

Explosive Red: I tested this as part of a TW review. Good, round string for the first four or so hours, then really changes as the outer coating is worn through. It loses spin and becomes an inert, control oriented string.

Flash: I also tested this as part of a TW review. Very nice round string with excellent control. I think this one broke on me at about the eight hour mark on a bad mis-hit near the tip of the frame, but was still pretty playable at that time.

I've got V-Square and V-Torque Tour coming in the next few days, along with 1.20 gauges of Hyper-G, Tour Bite, and Revolution. I think I'm going to pass on Cyclone Tour based on my experience with Cyclone. Ultra Cable is on my list somewhere down the road. I had previous experience with 4G, Alu Power, and a couple of other Luxilon strings in other racquets and while those are nice, they are really pricey whereas a lot of the strings I've tested are 60% of the cost but the better ones provide 95% of the playability.

When I started testing strings, I initially went with thicker gauges because I wanted to string at a bit lower tension and also to get a bit higher swingweight. I've come to realize that with the 18X19 pattern in a smaller headsize, that I need a thinner gauge to get the launch angle I prefer, and that durability isn't as much of an issue. I also have come to prefer having a lighter stringbed but more added weight at 3 and 9 o'clock to give me a bit more stability when I mis-hit. So I'm kind of at point where I'm re-testing some of these strings in a thinner gauge, and hoping that tension loss and playability loss aren't going to become an issue after fewer hours.

Any suggestions for other strings to try? It's a fun process, but I'm starting to miss having that go-to string where I know how it will respond under almost every condition.

Have any recommendations for other strings to try? I prefer shaped, low to medium powered, and highly spin capable. Of all of these, I think I'm leaning towards either Tour Bite or Revolution as my go-to string so far, with very little to decide between these two.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
@Injured Again

15 hours is great. I’m the wrong person to ask for recs on strings that last longer than 15 hours. I wish I could get that.

I was getting 8-10 hours max from 1.25 poly in my Ultra Tour (dense 18/20 pattern) before it either snapped or the crosses had been completely flattened so the string bed was no longer gripping the ball.

Now with my VCP97 (310), I’m getting 3-5 hours at best from 1.25 poly. I was able to get 7 hours out of Prince Tour xp 16g crossed with 4g.

I’m basically restringing every 2-3 times I play.
 

Kevo

Legend
Just learn to like dead polys. :)

I actually prefer them a little bit muted or dead feeling and string them at lowish tension. I'm probably at about 15-16 hours now on my current set of Ultra Cable. It's got some decent notching so I don't know how much longer it will last, but I used to get 20+ hours out of Spiky Shark and I think the Ultra Cable is going to be similar. The nice thing about these polys for me is you can string them up and let them sit around for a couple of weeks, or go hit the ball machine or wall for half an hour to get the initial tension drop out of the way, and then they tend to play the same way until just before they break. I really dislike the string feeling different every time I play. I can deal with a reasonable break in period.

One of the reasons I didn't like Head Rip Control was it felt different almost every time out it seemed. If you strung it where you liked it, in a match or two it would be totally different. That's really annoying. I like something consistent.
 

Injured Again

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@Injured Again

15 hours is great. I’m the wrong person to ask for recs on strings that last longer than 15 hours. I wish I could get that.

I was getting 8-10 hours max from 1.25 poly in my Ultra Tour (dense 18/20 pattern) before it either snapped or the crosses had been completely flattened so the string bed was no longer gripping the ball.

Now with my VCP97 (310), I’m getting 3-5 hours at best from 1.25 poly. I was able to get 7 hours out of Prince Tour xp 16g crossed with 4g.

I’m basically restringing every 2-3 times I play.

Ouch! I'm hoping not to get there. The 15 hours was with 1.30 Tour Bite in an 18X19 SW104, which is pretty dense in the middle of the stringbed. I'm now trying gauges around 1.20 so fingers crossed I get at least 10 good, solid hours before it's notched badly or broken.
 

Injured Again

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Ashaway Kevlar/Zx hybrid for > 15hr playability and durability. You can get a taster with the Crossfire ZX pack that TW sells.

I had a conversation with travlrajm about that when I first returned to this forum late last year. Basically, he said my racquet, the Blade SW104, wasn't stiff enough to retain the kind of tension differential that he says works best with kevlar/zx. And, the kevlar/zx hybrid has a low launch angle which he likes, but I've been trying to get a high launch angle from my strings.
 

CiscoPC600

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I think I got about 15 hours out of it before I cut it out. It was the 1.30 gauge and I was (and am) trying to find my go-to string for my SW104. It did lose some tension but I really didn't feel a lot of loss of control or spin. The playability was good so I kept it in to see how long I could go and will feel satisfied with it.

I've tested a whole host of strings in the last three months. Besides Tour Bite, I also tried:

Hyper-G: A bit more muted and a hair less power, but tension loss affected playability more than Tour Bite. Good for maybe 10 hours - possibly more if I strung it up tighter initially.

Revolution: In between Hyper-G and Tour Bite. Loses a bit more tension than Tour Bite and a bit more affected by tension loss as well, but still good for 10-12 hours.

Revolve Spin: An absolute middle of the road string in all respects.

RPM Blast Rough: Tension loss killed this string in just a few hours.

Element Rough: The rough version didn't seem to have much more grip than regular Element, and both were too springy for me. They lose tension pretty quickly and I think I cut it out after about eight hours due to loss of playability.

Cyclone: My son's go to string for the last few years, but just a bit too springy for me and not as much grip on the ball as the Solinco strings. Seems to lose tension around the 6-8 hour mark and becomes a rocket launcher.

V-Torque: Absolute magic for the first hour - most bite of any string I've tried, but huge tension loss made it unplayable after three hours.

Cube: Great bite on the ball, more than the Solinco strings, and slightly below average power levels. Playability changed after about six hours and then lost that firm bite on the ball, and flatter shots felt dead and rebounded inconsistently. Very sensitive to incoming spin which was a problem volleying heavy underspin shots.

Neon Dust: The cross string is too soft and loses too much tension, and this became uncontrollable in about eight hours. Might be better with a firmer cross.

Solstice Power: This was my go-to string for the past couple of years. It worked great in my Overdrive 110, a 16X19 racquet in which I used the 1.35 gauge. Great spin, good comfort, a nice pocketing feel, and not too affected by tension loss, which it loses probably a bit more than average for poly strings. However, it doesn't seem to work as well in my SW104, where it feels harsher and without that good ball bite. I'm going to retry this string in different gauges but in my Overdrive 110, it was good for a solid 12 hours before it wore smooth and notched to the point where spin noticeably went down.

Quadro Twist: Despite the excellent TW review, this string had minimal ball bite and a low launch angle, like it just had no grip. It was powerful and comfortable, but no better spin than a round poly string. I cut this out before it really lost much tension.

Tour Sniper: I tested this Grapplesnake string when it was still known as the "prototype". Round poly that is very low in power and very control oriented. Good for about ten hours and then got very harsh on mis-hits.

Explosive Red: I tested this as part of a TW review. Good, round string for the first four or so hours, then really changes as the outer coating is worn through. It loses spin and becomes an inert, control oriented string.

Flash: I also tested this as part of a TW review. Very nice round string with excellent control. I think this one broke on me at about the eight hour mark on a bad mis-hit near the tip of the frame, but was still pretty playable at that time.

I've got V-Square and V-Torque Tour coming in the next few days, along with 1.20 gauges of Hyper-G, Tour Bite, and Revolution. I think I'm going to pass on Cyclone Tour based on my experience with Cyclone. Ultra Cable is on my list somewhere down the road. I had previous experience with 4G, Alu Power, and a couple of other Luxilon strings in other racquets and while those are nice, they are really pricey whereas a lot of the strings I've tested are 60% of the cost but the better ones provide 95% of the playability.

When I started testing strings, I initially went with thicker gauges because I wanted to string at a bit lower tension and also to get a bit higher swingweight. I've come to realize that with the 18X19 pattern in a smaller headsize, that I need a thinner gauge to get the launch angle I prefer, and that durability isn't as much of an issue. I also have come to prefer having a lighter stringbed but more added weight at 3 and 9 o'clock to give me a bit more stability when I mis-hit. So I'm kind of at point where I'm re-testing some of these strings in a thinner gauge, and hoping that tension loss and playability loss aren't going to become an issue after fewer hours.

Any suggestions for other strings to try? It's a fun process, but I'm starting to miss having that go-to string where I know how it will respond under almost every condition.

Have any recommendations for other strings to try? I prefer shaped, low to medium powered, and highly spin capable. Of all of these, I think I'm leaning towards either Tour Bite or Revolution as my go-to string so far, with very little to decide between these two.


Thinner strings will give you durability issues AND playability issues. ALU power (1.25 and 1.20) is amazing for the first few hours then becomes dead, and the thinner one snaps after 8+ hours.

Your tour bite recommendation has peaked my interest though. I'm debating it at very low tension for my 16x20 VCORE 95. The TW Compare Strings Tool gives it a better tension maintenance score than even 4g Soft, which is impressive.
 

Injured Again

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Just learn to like dead polys. :)

I actually prefer them a little bit muted or dead feeling and string them at lowish tension. I'm probably at about 15-16 hours now on my current set of Ultra Cable. It's got some decent notching so I don't know how much longer it will last, but I used to get 20+ hours out of Spiky Shark and I think the Ultra Cable is going to be similar. The nice thing about these polys for me is you can string them up and let them sit around for a couple of weeks, or go hit the ball machine or wall for half an hour to get the initial tension drop out of the way, and then they tend to play the same way until just before they break. I really dislike the string feeling different every time I play. I can deal with a reasonable break in period.

One of the reasons I didn't like Head Rip Control was it felt different almost every time out it seemed. If you strung it where you liked it, in a match or two it would be totally different. That's really annoying. I like something consistent.

This is how I was with my previous racquet, which had a much more open string pattern and was strung about 20% tighter than I'm currently using. The strings would stretch and lose some elasticity pretty quickly, and I got used to play with them in that middle ten hour period.

With a much denser pattern now and only using tensions in the upper 40's and then only in the center mains and crosses, strings don't die as quickly and I'm getting used to playing with them when they are fresh and elastic. The same string going dead in the same way seems to behave differently in the larger, more open pattern versus my current smaller, denser pattern. I don't know that I really get that same consistent middle 10 hour period of play any more. It seems that strings now lose elasticity and playability gradually throughout the entire time. And like you, I don't like strings that play differently every time out.
 

Injured Again

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Thinner strings will give you durability issues AND playability issues. ALU power (1.25 and 1.20) is amazing for the first few hours then becomes dead, and the thinner one snaps after 8+ hours.

Your tour bite recommendation has peaked my interest though. I'm debating it at very low tension for my 16x20 VCORE 95. The TW Compare Strings Tool gives it a better tension maintenance score than even 4g Soft, which is impressive.

I'm thinking you're spot on and I'm going to run into issues as I'm now trying the thinner gauges. But in my specific racquet, I really do prefer exchanging weight in the stringbed for lead tape at 3 and 9 o'clock. The swingweight is already pretty high at 345-350 so I don't have a lot of leeway in customizing it further.

Tour Bite seems to be one of those strings that is playable over a fairly wide range of tensions. I think its inherent stiffness helps, but it is better at remaining consistent over that wider range of tensions compared to most other strings of the same measured stiffness. If you do give it a try, let me know what you think. By the way, what do you mean by "very low tension"? I strung up my set of 1.30 Tour Bite with 36 pounds in the outer mains, increasing to 48 pounds in the center mains, and 32 pounds in the outer crosses increasing to 46 pounds in the center crosses. I suspect the lower tensions in the outer strings helped them to retain their elasticity and help provide elastic support to the center mains and crosses after they died.
 

CiscoPC600

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I'm thinking you're spot on and I'm going to run into issues as I'm now trying the thinner gauges. But in my specific racquet, I really do prefer exchanging weight in the stringbed for lead tape at 3 and 9 o'clock. The swingweight is already pretty high at 345-350 so I don't have a lot of leeway in customizing it further.

Tour Bite seems to be one of those strings that is playable over a fairly wide range of tensions. I think its inherent stiffness helps, but it is better at remaining consistent over that wider range of tensions compared to most other strings of the same measured stiffness. If you do give it a try, let me know what you think. By the way, what do you mean by "very low tension"? I strung up my set of 1.30 Tour Bite with 36 pounds in the outer mains, increasing to 48 pounds in the center mains, and 32 pounds in the outer crosses increasing to 46 pounds in the center crosses. I suspect the lower tensions in the outer strings helped them to retain their elasticity and help provide elastic support to the center mains and crosses after they died.

I usually string at 45-48 lbs, which stuns most people around my club, but I realize many here on TW are more open minded. What I meant by "very low" was trying 40lbs. I know Sock uses 40 or lower for his 16x20 frame (although that's a much bigger head size), I figured why not try it.
 

hurworld

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I had a conversation with travlrajm about that when I first returned to this forum late last year. Basically, he said my racquet, the Blade SW104, wasn't stiff enough to retain the kind of tension differential that he says works best with kevlar/zx. And, the kevlar/zx hybrid has a low launch angle which he likes, but I've been trying to get a high launch angle from my strings.
Hmm, was @travlerajm saying the high tension differential Kve/ZN treatment only works for stiff frames? Dang I was hoping to put that combo in for my next Phatom 93P 18x20 string job.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Hmm, was @travlerajm saying the high tension differential Kve/ZN treatment only works for stiff frames? Dang I was hoping to put that combo in for my next Phatom 93P 18x20 string job.
No. I was saying that the full benefit of a high tension differential requires a frame that is stiff enough within the plane of the stringbed to be somewhat resistant to squashing. In-plane stiffness is mostly a function of head shape and size rather than layup. That’s because the stiffness of a cylinder to resist buckling when a compressive load is applied to the curved surface is inversely proportional to the cube of its diameter. And narrower oval heads are stiffer than rounder wider heads. So an oval midsize frame is nearly twice as stiff against squashing as a round OS.

The advantage of increased resistance to squashing is that a lot more of the residual tension differential remains after you pop the racquet from the stringer. In contrast, with a round OS, the tensions will be almost equalized already immediately after popping it off the stringer.

Of course, launch angle is something that can be easily varied simply by adjusting the cross tension. A cross tension too low will give a high launch angle. A higher (residual) differential allows you to go tighter overall to have a stiffer stringbed and lower launch angle (better launch angle control) while still getting excellent snapback effect and comfort.

I think the 93 18x20 phantom is a perfect frame to take advantage of high differential kevlar/zx.
It works best in dense patterns and smaller head size. Once you dial in the right cross tension I think you will be pleased with results.
 

hurworld

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No. I was saying that the full benefit of a high tension differential requires a frame that is stiff enough within the plane of the stringbed to be somewhat resistant to squashing. In-plane stiffness is mostly a function of head shape and size rather than layup. That’s because the stiffness of a cylinder to resist buckling when a compressive load is applied to the curved surface is inversely proportional to the cube of its diameter. And narrower oval heads are stiffer than rounder wider heads. So an oval midsize frame is nearly twice as stiff against squashing as a round OS.

The advantage of increased resistance to squashing is that a lot more of the residual tension differential remains after you pop the racquet from the stringer. In contrast, with a round OS, the tensions will be almost equalized already immediately after popping it off the stringer.

Of course, launch angle is something that can be easily varied simply by adjusting the cross tension. A cross tension too low will give a high launch angle. A higher (residual) differential allows you to go tighter overall to have a stiffer stringbed and lower launch angle (better launch angle control) while still getting excellent snapback effect and comfort.

I think the 93 18x20 phantom is a perfect frame to take advantage of high differential kevlar/zx.
It works best in dense patterns and smaller head size. Once you dial in the right cross tension I think you will be pleased with results.
The only small reserve I have is the 93P is of the fatter / rounder head shape as opposed to say the IG Prestige Mid's narrower oval head shape, which may mean less resistance to hoop squashing.

Regardless, that ain't gonna stop me from trying. Any suggestion for tension(s)?
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I would start with something like 75/40 both thoroughly prestretched. The most similar frame I tried kev/zx on was my diablo mid. It is also 93 but 16 x 20. It felt perfect at 75/45. 90/35 was too loose and too high launch angle, even after trying to salvage job by adding string savers.
 

hurworld

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I would start with something like 75/40 both thoroughly prestretched. The most similar frame I tried kev/zx on was my diablo mid. It is also 93 but 16 x 20. It felt perfect at 75/45. 90/35 was too loose and too high launch angle, even after trying to salvage job by adding string savers.
Thanks! 75/40 would come to something like 45lbs string bed tension?
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks! 75/40 would come to something like 45lbs string bed tension?
I usually assume formula that effective tension will be roughly the cross tension plus 20% of differential. So 75/40 should feel similar to 47.

This math formula is based on fact that kevlar is roughly 4x stiffer than zx, so the 7 lbs increase in crosses is 1/4 the 28 decrease in mains.
 

Injured Again

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I usually string at 45-48 lbs, which stuns most people around my club, but I realize many here on TW are more open minded. What I meant by "very low" was trying 40lbs. I know Sock uses 40 or lower for his 16x20 frame (although that's a much bigger head size), I figured why not try it.

I think you could easily do 40 pounds with a stiff string like Tour Bite and still have very good control. I don't know what the equivalent average tension would be for the way I string, but on my 18X19, 104 square inch racquet, my center mains are tensioned at 48 pounds while the outer main is at 36 pounds, and my center crosses are usually at 46 pounds with the top and bottom crosses at 32 and 33 pounds, respectively. Probably averaged together, it would have the equivalent stiffness of being strung at 42-44 pounds on every string, but being strung this way I feel I have a bit more leeway when I miss the sweetspot.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I think you could easily do 40 pounds with a stiff string like Tour Bite and still have very good control. I don't know what the equivalent average tension would be for the way I string, but on my 18X19, 104 square inch racquet, my center mains are tensioned at 48 pounds while the outer main is at 36 pounds, and my center crosses are usually at 46 pounds with the top and bottom crosses at 32 and 33 pounds, respectively. Probably averaged together, it would have the equivalent stiffness of being strung at 42-44 pounds on every string, but being strung this way I feel I have a bit more leeway when I miss the sweetspot.
Ah. But the tour bite will die after a few hours, while the kev/zx will be playing great 100h+ later. :)
 

Injured Again

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Ah. But the tour bite will die after a few hours, while the kev/zx will be playing great 100h+ later. :)

I'm definitely game to give this a try, even if my racquet isn't going to be ideal. Someone willing to sell me a prestretched set of kev/zx for $20? The problem is I need 21 feet ( possibly can do with 20 feet 6 inches depending on how much the kevlar stretches) to do the mains.
 

travlerajm

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I'm definitely game to give this a try, even if my racquet isn't going to be ideal. Someone willing to sell me a prestretched set of kev/zx for $20? The problem is I need 21 feet ( possibly can do with 20 feet 6 inches depending on how much the kevlar stretches) to do the mains.
Yeah will need almost 21 feet of kevlar, but only 16 or 17 feet of zx, since you gain 2 feet in the prestretch plus another foot of elastic stretch. I’d give you some string for free if I was home but I’m currently living in a developing country where they play tennis on red clay but have not heard of zx.
 

hurworld

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I usually assume formula that effective tension will be roughly the cross tension plus 20% of differential. So 75/40 should feel similar to 47.

This math formula is based on fact that kevlar is roughly 4x stiffer than zx, so the 7 lbs increase in crosses is 1/4 the 28 decrease in mains.
I think my ballpark string bed tension is around 43lbs - 45lbs on the 93P. By that calculation, I guess 75/35 would be best?
 

CiscoPC600

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@lucieisland @blai212 @TW Staff (troy)

Have you compared 4g soft vs signum pro poly plasma, and which would you say has better playability over time? Surprisingly they have near the same ratings on the compare strings tool, which is rare. Usually anecdotal evidence is disputed by the compare strings tool.
 

esgee48

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@lucieisland @blai212 @TW Staff (troy)

Have you compared 4g soft vs signum pro poly plasma, and which would you say has better playability over time? Surprisingly they have near the same ratings on the compare strings tool, which is rare. Usually anecdotal evidence is disputed by the compare strings tool.

I have played/experimented reg 4G and SPPP, both in 16 Ga in Instinct Tour XL at 48#. Sample of one! The SPPP was more lively and loss tension more quickly. Cut it out around 12 hours. The reg 4G was more muted and had less power to start with, but tension/control only started to suffer after 12 hours. It was discarded after 16 hours. By then it was notched more than 50%. I can't use 17 Ga polyesters because they are broken by the 8th hour. I always envied people who could use the same strings for an entire season [sarcasm alert here.]
 

blai212

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@lucieisland @blai212 @TW Staff (troy)

Have you compared 4g soft vs signum pro poly plasma, and which would you say has better playability over time? Surprisingly they have near the same ratings on the compare strings tool, which is rare. Usually anecdotal evidence is disputed by the compare strings tool.

sorry never tried 4g, lux is jus not worth it for me at their price point


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Injured Again

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Yeah will need almost 21 feet of kevlar, but only 16 or 17 feet of zx, since you gain 2 feet in the prestretch plus another foot of elastic stretch. I’d give you some string for free if I was home but I’m currently living in a developing country where they play tennis on red clay but have not heard of zx.

I've never played on red clay, but I'm planning a trip up to Canada with my son to give it a try. There are apparently a couple of clay courts we can play on somewhere near Surrey, BC.

How long are you down there? We never got to hit this second go-around on the forum. . .
 
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