Nadal FO win over Federer vital

Pantera

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the Roland Garros victory was significant as given that was fairly one sided albeit closer than scoreline suggested it is hard to see Federer beating Nadal outside Wimbledon especially if Federer suffers heartbreak on Sunday which i fear may see Federer fall away.

On grass Federer doesnt have the problems in his BH against Nadal he has elsewhere other than indoors
 
the Roland Garros victory was significant as given that was fairly one sided albeit closer than scoreline suggested it is hard to see Federer beating Nadal outside Wimbledon especially if Federer suffers heartbreak on Sunday which i fear may see Federer fall away.

On grass Federer doesnt have the problems in his BH against Nadal he has elsewhere other than indoors

Nadal has beaten Fed once in over 5 years. That one win was on clay with freak conditions. Nah Fed will be fine.

I genuinely cant remember when Nadal has won Djokovic on a hard court, grass or indoors. Has it been nearly 10 years? Nah Djokovic will be fine

Nadal has not won AO in over 10 years and hasn't even been in a wimbeldon final for what 10 years? He isn't a force at AO or wimbeldon. (has he won anything on grass in past 8 or so years? I dont know you tell me)
 

Brett UK

Semi-Pro
the Roland Garros victory was significant as given that was fairly one sided albeit closer than scoreline suggested it is hard to see Federer beating Nadal outside Wimbledon especially if Federer suffers heartbreak on Sunday which i fear may see Federer fall away.

On grass Federer doesnt have the problems in his BH against Nadal he has elsewhere other than indoors
Federer has had an easy time on hardcourts versus Rafa in recent years.
 

Pantera

Banned
Nadal has beaten Fed once in over 5 years. That one win was on clay with freak conditions. Nah Fed will be fine.

I genuinely cant remember when Nadal has won Djokovic on a hard court, grass or indoors. Has it been nearly 10 years? Nah Djokovic will be fine

Nadal has not won AO in over 10 years and hasn't even been in a wimbeldon final for what 10 years? He isn't a force at AO or wimbeldon. (has he won anything on grass in past 8 or so years? I dont know you tell me)
Nadals pet slams are USO and FO...and Nadal won USO 2017 beating Delpo on the way who beat Federer.

AO only djokovic beats Nadal now. Wimbledon Nadal is 3rd of this era. But thats grass.
 
Nadals pet slams are USO and FO...and Nadal won USO 2017 beating Delpo on the way who beat Federer.

AO only djokovic beats Nadal now. Wimbledon Nadal is 3rd of this era. But thats grass.

How is that a response to Nadal has not beaten Novak on a hardcourt in a decade or so. I think he has no sets on HC vs Djokovic for like 8 years?? He has beaten Fed ONCE in 5 years and never on grass or hard. He hasn't won AO and WIMB in like a decade?

What you mean to say is that he WAS a force at wimbeldon. He is now a non factor winning wimbeldon. Hasn't got a FINAL in like 10 years
 
Nadals pet slams are USO and FO...and Nadal won USO 2017 beating Delpo on the way who beat Federer.

That is a really weird way of saying Nadal won USO without facing a SINGLE top 25 player in one of the weakest slams of all time and one of the weakest slam finalists of all time too

I thought Fed's slams were weak cos he didn;t face Nadal or Djokovic? Well he typically beat the guy who beat Nadal or Djokovic... or of course beat Nadal and Djokovic directly. So you changed your tune? Now beating the guy who beat the guy is a thing??
 

Pantera

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How is that a response to Nadal has not beaten Novak on a hardcourt in a decade or so. I think he has no sets on HC vs Djokovic for like 8 years?? He has beaten Fed ONCE in 5 years and never on grass or hard. He hasn't won AO and WIMB in like a decade?

What you mean to say is that he WAS a force at wimbeldon. He is now a non factor winning wimbeldon. Hasn't got a FINAL in like 10 years
Federer never makes it far enough on hard to play Nadal. USO 2017 he lost before their SF as he did this year in australia.

Djokovic has Nadals number in australia like Nadal has Djokovics number at USO. You have to understand height of bounce is the key point.

And Federer is currently holding 0 Majors so according to your logic should Federer lose on Sunday he is a non factor anywhere. Thats what u r saying basically
 

Pantera

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That is a really weird way of saying Nadal won USO without facing a SINGLE top 25 player in one of the weakest slams of all time and one of the weakest slam finalists of all time too

I thought Fed's slams were weak cos he didn;t face Nadal or Djokovic? Well he typically beat the guy who beat Nadal or Djokovic... or of course beat Nadal and Djokovic directly. So you changed your tune
If it was that weak why didnt federer win?
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
Nadals pet slams are USO and FO...and Nadal won USO 2017 beating Delpo on the way who beat Federer.

AO only djokovic beats Nadal now. Wimbledon Nadal is 3rd of this era. But thats grass.

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JackGates

Legend
the Roland Garros victory was significant as given that was fairly one sided albeit closer than scoreline suggested it is hard to see Federer beating Nadal outside Wimbledon especially if Federer suffers heartbreak on Sunday which i fear may see Federer fall away.

On grass Federer doesnt have the problems in his BH against Nadal he has elsewhere other than indoors
It's not hard for me accepting Federer has beaten Nadal on grass.
 

Pantera

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That is a really weird way of saying Nadal won USO without facing a SINGLE top 25 player in one of the weakest slams of all time and one of the weakest slam finalists of all time too

I thought Fed's slams were weak cos he didn;t face Nadal or Djokovic? Well he typically beat the guy who beat Nadal or Djokovic... or of course beat Nadal and Djokovic directly. So you changed your tune? Now beating the guy who beat the guy is a thing??
Pre 2008 Nadal and Djokovic were teenagers...younger than Tsitispas!! Hardly prime.

Dude..enjoy today but accept its grass. Every Nadal fan accepted before today Federer better on grass.
 
Djokovic has Nadals number in australia like Nadal has Djokovics number at USO. You have to understand height of bounce is the key point.

Not "like" as Nadal has NEVER beaten Novak at AO. NEVER and has 7 times less titles then him lol.

Federer never makes it far enough on hard to play Nadal. USO 2017 he lost before their SF as he did this year in australia.

LOL Nadal typically never makes it far enough to face Federer or Djokovic outside of clay


And Federer is currently holding 0 Majors so according to your logic should Federer lose on Sunday he is a non factor anywhere. Thats what u r saying basically

You aren't good at comprehension are you? Nadal has ZERO wimbeldons and AO in like 10 years. He hasn't even got a final. Fed and Novak have won many AO and Wimbeldon's in that timeframe and both are actually making it to finals. Nadal has 0 wins in that time frame. And in AO he just lost to a 37 year old in one final and got blown off the court in straights at the other. But yes Nadal is a factor in AO to the extent that he can go to the finals and potentially win so lets make that clear. Wimbeldon he isn't.
 
Pre 2008 Nadal and Djokovic were teenagers...younger than Tsitispas!! Hardly prime.

Dude..enjoy today but accept its grass. Every Nadal fan accepted before today Federer better on grass.

Similarly, Nadal has NEVER beaten Novak on grass since Novak had a single day at world no 1. He has never beaten him at AO and Wimbeldon. Actually forget that Nadal has basically a 20-5 losing h2h since Novak became a world no 1. What the hell?? All his wins are before Novak was a no 1
 

Pantera

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Not "like" as Nadal has NEVER beaten Novak at AO. NEVER and has 7 times less titles then him lol.



LOL Nadal typically never makes it far enough to face Federer or Djokovic outside of clay




You aren't good at comprehension are you? Nadal has ZERO wimbeldons and AO in like 10 years. He hasn't even got a final. Fed and Novak have won many AO and Wimbeldon's in that timeframe and both are actually making it to finals. Nadal has 0 wins in that time frame. And in AO he just lost to a 37 year old in one final and got blown off the court in straights at the other. But yes Nadal is a factor in AO to the extent that he can go to the finals and potentially win so lets make that clear. Wimbeldon he isn't.
You seem to be getting upset...why? Im only stating facts. Nadal has the best USO record the last decade. FO he is unbeatable.

Djokovic owns AO and W..nadal of course was runner up in australia this year.

Djokovic and Nadal seem to win Majors...Federer if he loses sunday wont have won a Major in 2 years almost.
 
You seem to be getting upset...why? Im only stating facts. Nadal has the best USO record the last decade. FO he is unbeatable.

Past decade? OK past decade Nadal lost at FO in straight sets to his main rival (so unbeatbale lol what?). Has basically 0 AO and wimbeldons and few wins against his main rival Djokovic. I mean in past 10 years Nadal has beaten Novak how many times? Losing 5-20?
 

Pantera

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Past decade? OK past decade Nadal lost at FO in straight sets to his main rival. Has basically 0 AO and wimbeldons and few wins against his main rival Djokovic. I mean in past 10 years Nadal has beaten Novak how many times? Losing 5-20?
At the Majors its Nadal 4-2 djokovic i believe.
 
At the Majors its Nadal 4-2 djokovic i believe.

Youre getting confused. One minute talking about slams, the other about USO specfically and FO. Sticking to your original point, Nadal has 0 AO, 0 wimbeldons, 1 win on HC vs Djokovic (yes really 1 win in pretty much 10 years) and lost like 5-20 vs his main rival. He also got straight setted at FO
 
How is that a response to Nadal has not beaten Novak on a hardcourt in a decade or so. I think he has no sets on HC vs Djokovic for like 8 years?? He has beaten Fed ONCE in 5 years and never on grass or hard. He hasn't won AO and WIMB in like a decade?

What you mean to say is that he WAS a force at wimbeldon. He is now a non factor winning wimbeldon. Hasn't got a FINAL in like 10 years

Nadal's last hard-court victory over Djokovic was at the US Open 2013, so just under six years. That was his second win over Djokovic on hard courts in the space of a month, though, as he also beat him at the Canadian Open that year, 7-6 in the final set. Before that, he hadn't beaten Djokovic on hard courts since the Tour Finals in 2010. So, two wins in eight and a half years, and none in just under six.
 

Pantera

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Youre getting confused. One minute talking about slams, the other about USO specfically and FO. Sticking to your original point, Nadal has 0 AO, 0 wimbeldons, 1 win on HC vs Djokovic (yes really 1 win in pretty much 10 years) and lost like 5-20 vs his main rival. He also got straight setted at FO
You claiming djokovic better at FO than Nadal lol. Ok good luck with that.

Dude Nadal 2-1 djokovic at USO. Im sorry but Nadal leads all the stats against Novak. They the same age yet Nadal has the numbers .
 

Pantera

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Nadal's last hard-court victory over Djokovic was at the US Open 2013, so just under six years. That was his second win over Djokovic on hard courts in the space of a month, though, as he also beat him at the Canadian Open that year, 7-6 in the final set. Before that, he hadn't beaten Djokovic on hard courts since the Tour Finals in 2010. So, two wins in eight and a half years, and none in just under six.
American hard courts favour Nadal more than australasian ones.
 
You claiming djokovic better at FO than Nadal lol. Ok good luck with that.

Dude Nadal 2-1 djokovic at USO. Im sorry but Nadal leads all the stats against Novak. They the same age yet Nadal has the numbers .

Nadal is 1-2 vs Mueller at Wimbeldon lol

Glad you bring up h2h though, as Nadal has a losing h2h vs Novak lol. And what numbers? Nadal doesn't lead anyone in numbers? He doesn't have:

the slam count
the WTF count
the masters count (doesn't have all 9)
Olympics count
YE no 1
weeks no 1
Career titles

what numbers?? Lol
 

Pantera

Banned
Nadal is 1-2 vs Mueller at Wimbeldon lol

Glad you bring up h2h though, as Nadal has a losing h2h vs Novak lol. And what numbers? Nadal doesn't lead anyone in numbers? He doesn't have:

the slam count
the WTF count
the masters count (doesn't have all 9)
Olympics count
YE no 1
weeks no 1
Career titles

what numbers??
Nadal has the most Majors per Majors playes. He has the most masters . He has Olympic Gold.

As for wimbledon...its Nadals worse event lol. Im sure we have chatted before? U had another profile i think?
 
If federer loses its a disaster legacy wise at wimbledon as he clearly isnt undisputed King...not 0-3 in finals v his main grass court rival.

Wouldn't be worse than Nadal's 1-2 vs non atg, non anything/ mug Mueller at wimbeldon.

Nadal has already lost in his pet slam in straight sets to his main rival. There was a breadstick too no? Only Novak has never been defeated by his main rivals at his slam.... lol Rafa actually got striaght setted at FO LMAO
 
If federer loses its a disaster legacy wise at wimbledon as he clearly isnt undisputed King...not 0-3 in finals v his main grass court rival.

Wouldn't be worse than Nadal's 1-2 vs non atg, non anything/ mug Mueller at wimbeldon.

Nadal has already lost in his pet slam in straight sets to his main rival. There was a breadstick too no? Only Novak has never been defeated by his main rivals at his slam.... lol Rafa actually got striaght setted at FO LMAO.
 
Nadal has the most Majors per Majors playes. He has the most masters . He has Olympic Gold.

As for wimbledon...its Nadals worse event lol. Im sure we have chatted before? U had another profile i think?

In other words he doesn't have:

the slam count
the WTF count
the masters count (doesn't have all 9)
Olympics medal record
YE no 1
weeks no 1
Career titles

what numbers??
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
the Roland Garros victory was significant as given that was fairly one sided albeit closer than scoreline suggested it is hard to see Federer beating Nadal outside Wimbledon especially if Federer suffers heartbreak on Sunday which i fear may see Federer fall away.

On grass Federer doesnt have the problems in his BH against Nadal he has elsewhere other than indoors

He appears to only have that problem on clay (and I dont know if that is even the reason he lost at RG, Nadal is just a better player on clay so it's not like the backhand is the one issue, also was very windy so hard to k ow how solid Fed's shots could be on clay vs Nadal) fed beat Nadal the last 5 times they played on HC and 3 were outdoor matches

When have they played at USO? Nadal has won there 3 times since Federer did

They haven't, but they've played elsewhere on HC and Fed has won

Nadals pet slams are USO and FO...and Nadal won USO 2017 beating Delpo on the way who beat Federer.

AO only djokovic beats Nadal now. Wimbledon Nadal is 3rd of this era. But thats grass.

Sorry, USO is not Nadal's pet slam, hes won it 3 times in the 10 years, that's not owning it. Djokovic has also won it 3 times in one year less and 3 more have gone to one time winners. No one owns the USO in the last 10 years, Djokovic and Nadal share the most times in that time

Djokovic beat Nadal this year at the AO but does that mean only Djokovic beats him at the AO now? I think there should be at least 2 years in a row with one player being only stopped by the same one opponent before this can really be said. Last year Nadal lost to Cilic, the year before Federer, hes been stopped by a lot of players

Federer never makes it far enough on hard to play Nadal. USO 2017 he lost before their SF as he did this year in australia.

Djokovic has Nadals number in australia like Nadal has Djokovics number at USO. You have to understand height of bounce is the key point.

And Federer is currently holding 0 Majors so according to your logic should Federer lose on Sunday he is a non factor anywhere. Thats what u r saying basically

Djokovic has beaten Nadal at the USO though, it's only 2-1 to Nadal. On the other hand Djokovic is 2-0 vs Nadal at the AO. Both small sample sizes though

You seem to be getting upset...why? Im only stating facts. Nadal has the best USO record the last decade. FO he is unbeatable.

Djokovic owns AO and W..nadal of course was runner up in australia this year.

Djokovic and Nadal seem to win Majors...Federer if he loses sunday wont have won a Major in 2 years almost.

Djokovic has the best USO record of the past decade, 3 wins and 3 finals compared to 3 wins and 1 final from Nadal
 
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