stringertom
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Are you sure? I think @BeatlesFan here at about 2:30 might disagree:Ferris Bueller owns that song.
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The genius of the Beatles
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Raul_SJ
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When you went to the record store in 1970 to buy Let it Be werent people generally thinking that this was their most recent album, the follow up to Abbey Road?
When you went to the record store in 1970 to buy Let it Be werent people generally thinking that this was their most recent album, the follow up to Abbey Road?
stringertom
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No, it was known to be recorded prior to Abbey Road as a “soundtrack” to the rooftop concert documentary. Let It Be was released a month after the breakup announcement and nine months after Abbey Road but most of it was recorded another nine months before the latter album was released.
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BeatlesFan
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And their non-singles are infinity superior to many (not all!) of their singles.
Proof?
I will add that the amount of mis-information on this thread about the lads is beyond belief. Not you, @stringertom
BeatlesFan
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Raul_SJ
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Yes, the film and album was released a year and a half after the rooftop concert...
Were songs that were performed at the rooftop concert, such as "I dig a pony", already known by the time the album finally came out over a year later? There was no internet but bootlegs might have been going around.
The rooftop concert consisted of nine takes of five Beatles songs: three takes of "Get Back"; two takes each of "Don't Let Me Down" and "I've Got a Feeling"; and one take each of "One After 909" and "Dig a Pony". The set was performed in the following order:[15]
- "Get Back" (take one)
- "Get Back" (take two)
- "Don't Let Me Down" (take one)
- "I've Got a Feeling" (take one)
- "One After 909"
- "Dig a Pony"
- "I've Got a Feeling" (take two)
- "Don't Let Me Down" (take two)
- "Get Back" (take three)
Bartelby
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The thing about the Beatles, and Dylan of course, is that they were also 'cultural events'.
The most we get these days are 'celebrity events' like Madonna or Taylor Swift.
If Lennon had lived it would have been intellectually interesting to hear what he had to say about cultural and political developments.
You can't say that about Taylor Swift or Dylan for that matter. Roger Waters still has something to say, as dgold44 keeps reminding us.
The most we get these days are 'celebrity events' like Madonna or Taylor Swift.
If Lennon had lived it would have been intellectually interesting to hear what he had to say about cultural and political developments.
You can't say that about Taylor Swift or Dylan for that matter. Roger Waters still has something to say, as dgold44 keeps reminding us.
stringertom
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All 3 tunes you listed have roots to pre-fame Beatles days in style. In particular, and probably as a catalyst for the other tunes, The One After 909 was created in the 50’s by MacLenn in their skiffle-to-blues transition era and resurrected as John and Paul separately scoured the bottom of their collective collaborative barrel. I’m sure John came across this one and then he resurrected strands that became I’ve Got A Feeling.Yes, the film and album was released a year and a half after the rooftop concert...
Were songs that were performed at the rooftop concert, such as "I dig a pony", already known by the time the album finally came out over a year later? There was no internet but bootlegs might have been going around.
The rooftop concert consisted of nine takes of five Beatles songs: three takes of "Get Back"; two takes each of "Don't Let Me Down" and "I've Got a Feeling"; and one take each of "One After 909" and "Dig a Pony". The set was performed in the following order:[15]
The first performance of "I've Got a Feeling" and the recordings of "One After 909" and "Dig a Pony" were later used for the album Let It Be.[16]
- "Get Back" (take one)
- "Get Back" (take two)
- "Don't Let Me Down" (take one)
- "I've Got a Feeling" (take one)
- "One After 909"
- "Dig a Pony"
- "I've Got a Feeling" (take two)
- "Don't Let Me Down" (take two)
- "Get Back" (take three)
In the styles exhibited by separate tracks on this album any ear can hear the dissonance of the directions the band was taking both musically and personally. I view Paul let out all his optimism in the eponymous track while John, being the ever glass-half-empty partner, wrote the sadder take on life with “everybody’s had a hard year.” lyrics in I’ve Got A Feeling.
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Dylan didn't say it in his songwriting?
Bartelby
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Maybe. Except that he reserved his right to change things endlessly in his songwriting and music.
You are never too sure therefore whether he cared too much for anything long enough to have a position.
You are never too sure therefore whether he cared too much for anything long enough to have a position.
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I don't completely understand the bolded qualifier.
Holding a consistent position on an issue isn't even a prerequisite for politicians.
But what puzzles me even more than that is: What figures in the public eye do not have the luxury of "changing things endlessly" as they wish?
Bartelby
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From a musical point of view, Dylan's duty was to experiment. But his experiments seem confined either to his music or private life.
Lennon experimented within public life, as well as in his music, so he was interesting at both levels. At one point Lennon had turned political statements into performance art, although he too semi-retired into private life.
Lennon experimented within public life, as well as in his music, so he was interesting at both levels. At one point Lennon had turned political statements into performance art, although he too semi-retired into private life.
TimeToPlaySets
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LOL, guess why those guys picked up instruments in 1963.
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Alot of their songs sound the same
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Chuck Berry? Muddy Waters? Robert Johnson? Howlin' Wolf? Freddie/Albert/BB King?
Like they played the same type of music at all lol.
TimeToPlaySets
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Beatles influenced every single classic rock band that came out after 1965 all the way into the 1980s
SystemicAnomaly
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SystemicAnomaly
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Should we take this seriously? Difficult to think of any group or musical artist who had more variety in their music than the Fab Four.
SystemicAnomaly
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Ringo is generally regarded as The Beatles "weak link". But yeah, Ringo was under underrated. Can't say that I agree with anything else you say here. George Martin, an idiot! Lost all credibility there.
None of The Beatles where virtuosos but to call any of them BAD musicians, is just crazy talk. They were all competent musicians. McCartney is generally regarded as one of the most melodic and influential bass players in rock. He might not have been a Chris Squire or a Geddy Lee but his melodic style of bass playing has influenced many rock and pop bass players who followed. You'll usually find his name listed in the top 20 bass players in rock history and top 10 for most influential.
PM was a very competent multi-instrumentalist... often playing piano / keyboards, guitar, drums / percussion. and other instruments. I believe that at least half dozen of the Beatles most popular songs had Paul on drums rather than Ringo.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...nt-swaps-65353/maxwells-silver-hammer-170980/
https://www.quora.com/What-songs-was-Paul-McCartney-heard-playing-three-or-more-instruments-on
SystemicAnomaly
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From Rolling Stone magazine (Top bass players in rock):
Paul McCartney gets so much attention for his brilliant songwriting in The Beatles that his stunning bass playing abilities are often overlooked. But listen to any Beatles songs and focus on his deeply melodic, flawless bass parts. He took on the role reluctantly after original bassist Stuart Sutcliffe left the group and nobody else wanted to take over his instrument. He soon mastered it, but also proved adept at guitar and drums – as he proved when Ringo Starr briefly quit during the making of 1968's The White Album and Paul took his place behind the kit in the studio with great ease.
Paul McCartney gets so much attention for his brilliant songwriting in The Beatles that his stunning bass playing abilities are often overlooked. But listen to any Beatles songs and focus on his deeply melodic, flawless bass parts. He took on the role reluctantly after original bassist Stuart Sutcliffe left the group and nobody else wanted to take over his instrument. He soon mastered it, but also proved adept at guitar and drums – as he proved when Ringo Starr briefly quit during the making of 1968's The White Album and Paul took his place behind the kit in the studio with great ease.
stringertom
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His first solo album was 100% on instruments with only minor backing vocals from wife Linda.
ACE of Hearts
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Like the stones a lot more. Not from my generation but i like them as a band.
SystemicAnomaly
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@Lleytonstation
Love the comment about Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds... "that's so Auto-Tuned". Amusing that this kid assumes that AutoTune has always been around.
Love the comment about Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds... "that's so Auto-Tuned". Amusing that this kid assumes that AutoTune has always been around.
stringertom
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What is it, 53 years since SPLHCB was released? I dare those throwing shade at the Fab Four as being as only “right place right time” to pick a song, let alone a whole album, from the last decade that anybody will be talking about in the 2060’s.
Mainad
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The Beatles had an other worldly quality about them especially in their later years. The Stones were and are very much grounded in the here and now. The two bands are like chalk and cheese but they complement each other.
max
Legend
I used to play in a classic rock band. The Beatles were everyone's favorites.
George Martin really WAS the fifth Beatle: his musical influence really helped to shape the sounds the Beatles were making. Should be considered #5. The compositions are very good, a step ahead of basic rock pop. One cannot discount the cultural shock of the Beatles: it was the Beatles that moved nations from crew cuts to the shaggy long hippy hair. . . really pushed forth the Youth Movement idea in a broader way than Elvis.
George Martin really WAS the fifth Beatle: his musical influence really helped to shape the sounds the Beatles were making. Should be considered #5. The compositions are very good, a step ahead of basic rock pop. One cannot discount the cultural shock of the Beatles: it was the Beatles that moved nations from crew cuts to the shaggy long hippy hair. . . really pushed forth the Youth Movement idea in a broader way than Elvis.
max
Legend
Exactly. And the whole thing was more than the sum of the individual parts. I think that was demonstrated by the end of the 1970s for all to see/hear.
Stretchy Man
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Anthology showed how good tracks like Day Tripper and Dr Roberts should have been. Day Tripper had a killer riff, great melody, and very good rhythm guitar that held it all together. Unfortunately on the tinny sounding final version, the rhythm guitar was MIA and the irritating tambourine overpowered the snare drum. Many other tracks were mixed terribly.
George Martin's ignorance of stereo recording techniques was shocking. He was still putting instruments in a single channel right up to Rubber Soul!
Just because the sycophantic media praises him and makes fun of Ringo is not a good reason to go along with it. Use your own ears. Yes, mixing classical arrangements with rock songs was ground breaking but John was driving this from what I have read. I actually think a lot of Beatles tracks were ruined by the classical arrangements but that is just my personal opinion. Criticizing The Beatles is blasphemy for many. They weren't Gods - just very naughty boys.
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SystemicAnomaly
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A bit of perspective:
As I remember it, stereophonic and binaural recording in cinema and vinyl recordings was still in its infancy in the 1950s and early 60s. In the early & mid-1960s, stereo recordings were still something of a novelty. Monaural recordings were still very common back then and were not completely replaced by stero until the late 60s. Rock and pop music was listened to on crude transistor radios, in mono, on AM radio. And 45 RPM singles. TVs were mono, grainy and often B&W (color TVs left something to be desired about then). Recorded music was often mixed with all this mind. It wasn't until the late 1960s that FM rock radio, in stereo, started to become popular.
Sure, it's easy to look back and say they could've done this or they could've done that. Hindsight is great, ain't it? George Martin was actually a pioneer in use of magnetic tape and the field of multitrack recordings. He is credited with a number of recording innovations. Known, not only as a producer and recording engineer, but highly regarded as an orchestrator and arranger.
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1051-the-5-techniques-that-made-george-martin-the-og-super-producer/
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...beatles-changed-pop-music-20160309-story.html
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SystemicAnomaly
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max
Legend
I've read that at least a portion of that crazy stereo arrangement had to do with dictates of the American branch. They, too, butchered up albums like "Revolver" in order to have more Product to Sell.
BeatlesFan
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It's actually Dr. Robert (no plural) and the Anthology (CD or video version) didn't include alternative takes or demos of either Day Tripper or Dr. Robert. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
Stretchy Man
Professional
No it's actually called Doctor Robert if you want to be clever.
Anthology Disk 5:
08 Doctor Robert [Recorded 17 April 1966 – Take 7]
09 Day Tripper (Recorded on 16 October 1965 – Take 3)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_Anthology_(TV_series)
I would have thought someone called BeatlesFan would know all this.
Stretchy Man
Professional
Stereo recording using two microphones to achieve surround sound was invented in 1930s and was used as early as 1950s for commercial recording - mainly but not limited to classical music. George Martin was using 4-track recorders from 1963. All he had to do was use an extra mike. Martin should have known all this. I've done it myself by double tracking using a couple of tape decks and two mikes - far lower tech than a 4-track recorder. Sounded better than early 'stereo' Beatles recordings.
Look all I'm saying is that maybe the myth that Lennon, McCartney, Harrison & Martin are musical gods and that Ringo is a gormless hack needs reassessing. Probably my fault for calling Paul and George bad musicians, and Martin an idiot, but come on, this is a @dgold44 thread. I thought trolling is what you're meant to do.
Don't mind me. I'll see myself out.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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It’s because some Beatles easy to play and often in typical guitar lesson courses.My guitar playing daughter, 14, knows just about every Beatles song by heart.
Beatles, Pixies and Nirvana. Those are her favourite bands. There's hope
I did those courses too, but quit that and hired a private one that would teach me songs of my own choice instead. I wanted to learn John Mayer who I think is the greatest guitarist of them all. Clapton says it too!!
MichaelNadal
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Poisoned Slice
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Madonna is most overrated artist we've seen.
junior74
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John Mayer is good taste. I am not a huge fan of his music overall, but his playing is top notch. My daughter takes classes with me btw. I have been teaching professionally a lot. She is going through a phase where she takes interest in rougher expressions in all forms of art
stringertom
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It’s a shame another idol of Clapton let his pop image and composition skills overshadow his talent on the axe, the level of which inspired Slowhand to respond to a critic’s question as to how it felt to be the greatest living guitarist by saying, “I don’t know. You should ask my friend Prince.”John Mayer is good taste. I am not a huge fan of his music overall, but his playing is top notch. My daughter takes classes with me btw. I have been teaching professionally a lot. She is going through a phase where she takes interest in rougher expressions in all forms of art
Yeah,it's pretty hard to deny the impact the Beatles made. The same way they talk about a big 3 in tennis,I always thought about a 'big 5' groups in the 60s as being The Beatles,Stones,Kinks,Byrds and Beach Boys (OK,you could make a case for The Who) - 5 bands who all came to popularity around the same time and pumped out an incredible amount of great work in a short amount of time and made radical transformations from the start of the decade to the end. I sort of switch around on which of those bands is my favourite but for sure I'm in awe of what The Beatles achieved...
stringertom
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A few other favorites for me from Great Britain back then were The Zombies, The Animals and The Yardbirds.
robbo1970
Hall of Fame
Just jumping on this thread as an overall big fan of 60's music.
One thing that always astounds me with a lot of the bands, were the members' ages. Paul was only 25 when he came up with and wrote most of Sgt Pepper. That's insane. 24 years old when he wrote Paperback Writer.
It's hard to pick a favourite Beatles album, but I would say Revolver, Rubber Soul and Hard Day's Night are in my top 5. Help is good too.
Other 60's bands/songwriters that were crazy young when they wrote classics. Steve Winwood, 17 when he wrote most of the Spencer Davis Group hits. Love Affair (Everlasting Love) they were about 15 to 17 when they hit the big time. I try and think what I was doing at that age......not very much.
Not sure if there is one, but a thread devoted just to 60's music would be good. Other decades were great too, but the 60's were just so groundbreaking in so many ways.
One thing that always astounds me with a lot of the bands, were the members' ages. Paul was only 25 when he came up with and wrote most of Sgt Pepper. That's insane. 24 years old when he wrote Paperback Writer.
It's hard to pick a favourite Beatles album, but I would say Revolver, Rubber Soul and Hard Day's Night are in my top 5. Help is good too.
Other 60's bands/songwriters that were crazy young when they wrote classics. Steve Winwood, 17 when he wrote most of the Spencer Davis Group hits. Love Affair (Everlasting Love) they were about 15 to 17 when they hit the big time. I try and think what I was doing at that age......not very much.
Not sure if there is one, but a thread devoted just to 60's music would be good. Other decades were great too, but the 60's were just so groundbreaking in so many ways.
stringertom
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Donovan was a chart topper by the time he was 20.
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