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Lol. You won't be able to at match pace. Go home pops.
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You don't know me very well....
Lol. You won't be able to at match pace. Go home pops.
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You don't know me very well....
Play better people. And you are very lazy with the footwork in that you should turn semi open on balls hit to you in warmup. Approx 45 degrees is what I like to see. Good compromise. That way you can get your hips into it more. Align for match strokes. If you were my kid I would be yelling at you to not be so uncaring and at the very least set your feet right.
Also the best junior and college players pretty much start the warmup on blast. Its right down the middle but no holding back. I tell my kid you should be able to walk on a court and serve up a match. No warmups. Most college matches are no warmups now anyways.
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No one does because you are scared to hit with TT members or post video of your game.
Anybody here from central Ohio? Want to play?
PS I like the shape of your shots, so this stuff works basically. Wonder how your lower penetrating shots look like.
I've never seen anyone ask that. Juniors or adults.What kind of schmuck would you have to be where in a friendly match if someone asked you to calm down in the warm up you wouldn't hit the ball easy so they could feel comfortable?
J
like likeLol. You won't be able to at match pace. Go home pops.
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I've never seen anyone ask that. Juniors or adults.
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Qué? Op said "specially during warmups". Not just warmups. Of course you let the opponent rally during warmups, but that doesn't mean you help them out during the match.Exactly.
J
Qué? Op said "specially during warmups". Not just warmups. Of course you let the opponent rally during warmups, but that doesn't mean you help them out during the match.
Fair enoughYea, it's a practice match. Hit the ball so you can have some points. If you are insecure and they start talking smack then you can drop the hammer on them.
J
So ive had a few guys tell me this already, that im spining the ball to much and that the ball is jumping extremely high and they have problems with it, and arguing that its hard to play such balls, and I should hit more flat, specially during warmup.
And mind you they have a problem even at start when you start casual with not alot of racquet speed.
And when I say its normal and pro players have huge amounts of spin, they say only Nadal spins the ball that Federer and other players hit flat.
So I made a short clip of a warmup with my coach just to show, and tell me if you think im spining the ball too much lol, it seems normal, and pro players spin the he*** out of the ball too.
Btw these balls are old and may not jump as high, but still, if you look at the technique and arc and all, it seems like a normal warmup (specially start of warmup) with smooth easy strokes, don't see any issue with too much spin, but maybe thats just me.
Thoughts?
It looks like good warm up hitting to me. Those shots your hitting are just right for starting a warm up, but those are not heavy topspin shots by any means. Obviously the guys complaining have never dealt with much spin, it looks to me like there is just a small amount of spin on those shots because with the amount of RHS your using it would be impossible to get a lot of spin on the ball.
Yeah we told @FiReFTW to look at his contact posture earlier with handle significantly above racquet head:
I think it's associated with pulling up through the contact rather than extending/releasing and letting racquet head flip forward into the ball while executing ISR to help proper WW swing. Now with the grip drifting more than a full bevel from original "Extreme Eastern"...
How much of an issue is this and what problems does it cause?
I think that for topspin, the racquet head is supposed to drop and then come up to near the level of the handle at contact. That motion helps to impart topspin.
Having RH that low at contact does not look right.
It should be more like this. Sock has a similar extreme grip.
How much of an issue is this and what problems does it cause?
I think that for topspin, the racquet head is supposed to drop and then come up to near the level of the handle at contact. That motion helps to impart topspin.
Having RH that low at contact does not look right.
It should be more like this. Sock has a similar extreme grip.
I dont get it, socks rh is also bellow handle
Sock is below but Sock's RH is much closer to handle at contact than yours. You don't see that?
Your RH position at contact looks more like Sock's preparation position.
Back view video might be easier to see.
Yea I know what you mean.
Im saying that racquet head bellow handle is common with pros also.
Its always quite extreme when they hit balls at waist level and lower:
Can you check the vid above where i play some points and see how the tilt is in those forehands thst are hit with less arc?
It's a big issue, you shank a lot and lose a lot of potential spin.
I am assuming chest high contact point which is similar to contact point of your pic posted by @Dragy.
Chest high position is what you should be comparing; not lower balls. There will likely be variation with RH on lower balls out of ideal contact zone. Also trying to find guy with similar extreme grip like Sock, not conservative grip like Fed.
Have only looked at the 30 second rally vid. IIRC, all the FH contact points had the same issue.
Also see Coach Jolly's comment earlier when I asked if the low RH at contact is an issue.
So racquet tip very low bellow handle is not an issue I think.
My guess is that there has to be some wrist movement in the radial deviation direction prior to contact to impart topspin. The wrist has to be around neutral position at contact and continue to move in the radial deviation direction (this will also cause the RH tip to come closer to handle level).
Low RH tip at contact means that wrist is more in the ulnar deviation position at contact (see pic below). By that point, it is too difficult to impart topspin; the wrist should already have been moving and carrying momentum in the radial deviation direction by that point. Too difficult to suddenly impart topspin at contact from a static wrist position.
The odd thing and what might be an issue is that im having such a big tilt on some higher balls here which is much more uncommon.
Dang you will lose a lot power this way. Have u tried neutral stance?Well its a bit annoying and I dont like it, but not sure what the cause is.
1 frame after contact is exactly parallel in every single forehand..
..so maybe its a timing/spacing issue? Idk what the cause is and how i could experiment changing it and seeing what effect it has.
Well next time im on court im gonna video my forehand (And in 60fps aswell) and deliberately try hitting different types of balls (more arc, more spin, more drive etc) and then see on video how it looks on each and if there are differences.
Maybe coach @J011yroger can also offer some actual useful tip what to try to on court then to potentially fix this that I can also try and see on vid if it helps.
Saying its an issue is not really helpful.
Woah, hey, you have a coach. You don't need me.
J
You mean on chest high balls, the shoulder tilt should be about level, and that you suspect that you are incorrectly tilting your shoulders down on chest high balls, like Djok is doing on the low ball?
Did not see a downward shoulder tilt issue in the rally video.
Pay @J011yroger and I’m sure he’ll be happy to offer advice and help you.I notice something and I might have had experience with it and know how to improve it, but I wont offer advice or help because you have a coach.
Good excuse
1 frame after contact is exactly parallel in every single forehand..
Pay @J011yroger and I’m sure he’ll be happy to offer advice and help you.
Just one frame off. But that one frame makes a big difference according to Jolly... It's still weird that opponents can't handle your spin despite your non-optimal technique... Spin might go thru the roof if you fix this.
I would first verify you can do it correctly with a drop feed.
His spin likely jumps upward vs upward and forward with penetration.Just one frame off. But that one frame makes a big difference according to Jolly... It's still weird that opponents can't handle your spin despite your non-optimal technique... Spin might go thru the roof if you fix this.
I would first verify you can do it correctly with a drop feed.
His spin likely jumps upward vs upward and forward with penetration.
Too bad i dont have any more footage from being on this side
Threw a couple points from some point play from last time where im hitting some forehands during, I think you will see at least a couple lower arc shots here from time to time since I generally play fairly aggressively, or at least try to, certainly much more racquet speed and usually not as much arc as the warmup.
Is that the same shot? Two camera setup?
Is RH tip position at contact acceptable on those?
I think your forehand looks pretty nice actually. I agree with the comments about your feet. Focus on disciplining your footwork to get that left foot out in front to enable weight transfer, and your forehand will turn into a reliable weapon soon.
@FiReFTW
There’s this saying that goes something like this:
“You get what you pay for.”
Would you expect to walk into a Mercedes Benz dealership and drive out with a new AMG for free? Sure would be nice to run into a generous and giving salesperson who would do that.
Looks like you have improved your playing some good points. It shows what a lot of hard work can do if a player is willing to put in the time and effort.
Starting to play more points really helped my point play level.I sucked completely playing points but now its slowly improving, im playing some rly nice games in a row now, and then suck some games in a row, haha
Today i played a few games the best i ever played against coach up till 3:2
Then sucked till the end of set apart for 1 decent game
@FiReFTW @Raul_SJ
I see it not as “tip-handle should be horizontal”. Pros mostly demonstrate racquet more or less in line with arm (hand-shoulder line for bent arm) by contact if observed from back/front perspective. Accordingly, tip appears below the handle on low balls, close to horizontal on chest-to-shoulder high balls, above handle on accidental higher balls.
I see couple of attention points:
- Possible issues with RF control. You compensate with rather closed grip and steep swingpath.
- I see this racquet head trailing below as a sign of pulling with your arm through contact. I would go for extending through at this point, releasing, or whatever you call it. I expect your racquet coming from being trailed behind and below to flipping up and forward right into contact.