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joohan
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I believe you. Played with TC90 quite a lot so I do have some first hand experience with 70RA "D" beam. I really, really like it and can only imagine how well it might play in bigger headsizes.
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I believe you. Played with TC90 quite a lot so I do have some first hand experience with 70RA "D" beam. I really, really like it and can only imagine how well it might play in bigger headsizes.
haqq777
Legend
I have never had any such issue with the 63RA TC100 either. And I'm talking V2. The V3 are even smoother with their construction. The vibration issue sounds like bad/old string job or maybe just a bad batch. Topic beaten to death here so I won't say anymore but I have owned a lot of TC 100 and never had any of those issues.
haqq777
Legend
The 70 RA plays just a tad more crisper and comes with a lower swingweight. They both have the foam filled Angell "thud" feedback. The 63RA is sublime at volleying and a bit more suited for all court game. The 70RA a little more baseliner stick.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
The difference is quite apparent when you hold it and see them in person. The TC95 has a rounded profile in the throat area (where you place your other hand (non-hitting) when preparing to hit a OHBH or while waiting to hit a volley (if that makes sense), while the TC97 has a flatter profile (more like a Prestige MP) in the same throat area. Therefore, the TC97 feels slightly thicker/ bulkier in the off-hand (although it is not).
The feel is very different too. The TC97 has that head flex that you described but a stiffer throat area (like a Prestige MP), and the TC95 feels like it flexes from just above the handle all the way to the top of the racquet in one smooth but slight curve (if that makes sense - or like a fishing rod when the fish bites).
I hope I explained that right and that it helps you understand the difference.
Cool...thanks for the help.
rider4ever
Rookie
I tried Volkyl Cyclone at 50 lbs and hated the board like feel. Went down to 45 lbs and the amount of comfort and control is amazing. It settles at 36-40lbs. I think this is a sweet spot for the TC97 18x20
haqq777
Legend
Pneumated1
Hall of Fame
^^^ the butter's back, lol. And just in time ... I feel like I fell off the train again
Has anyone had success with Tour Bite (16L) in their Angell racquet? Thinking about it for the TC100 16x19.
On another string note, I've tried topspn suggestion of Tier 1 Black Knight on my new TC95 @ 48 lbs and it played really well so far. Additionally since I had a pack and reels are super cheap, I'm wondering if anyone has tried Oehms Black Pearl Rough in a TC95.
I'm hyper focused on the right strings in my two different TC's right now so I can focus on playing rather than researching. Ugh. The sickness goes on...
On another string note, I've tried topspn suggestion of Tier 1 Black Knight on my new TC95 @ 48 lbs and it played really well so far. Additionally since I had a pack and reels are super cheap, I'm wondering if anyone has tried Oehms Black Pearl Rough in a TC95.
I'm hyper focused on the right strings in my two different TC's right now so I can focus on playing rather than researching. Ugh. The sickness goes on...
djNEiGht
Legend
I tried it for a short while. Felt muted/comfy.
Hi,
That´s a string that i wan´t to try on my TC97. How is the confort and control level?
If you feel lucky, you can try injecting light-weight foam into the throat and keep the particle from moving around.
Or you could contact Angell for warranty service
Does anyone know a recent estimate on how long it takes to get your racquet in the US after ordering? I have the tough job of patiently waiting on my new racquet.
Has anyone tried Luxilon Element in a TC100? I want to give it a try because of the color combination with the V3s.
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Has anyone tried Luxilon Element in a TC100? I want to give it a try because of the color combination with the V3s.
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@Rui Lopes , I really like MSV. I find it plays like Volkl Cyclone, but already broken in. Cyclone feels stiff to me until about the 3 or 4 hr mark. MSV feels broken in from the start and settles in even better after an hour or two.
Spin generation is good. Not as pronounced as Hyper G, but I get enough shape on my shots to not complain. The 1.18 in an 18x20 string bed has very consistent response and launch angle.
Also doesn't hurt that a 200m reel is only like $80, great value for the money
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Spin generation is good. Not as pronounced as Hyper G, but I get enough shape on my shots to not complain. The 1.18 in an 18x20 string bed has very consistent response and launch angle.
Also doesn't hurt that a 200m reel is only like $80, great value for the money
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the_faceless_player
Professional
Mine were last fall so may not count as "recent", but my 2 ASL2's went UK to my door in 2 days
topspn
Legend
You will receive an email notice when it ships which is usually 4 or 5 days from ordering. Just depends how busy they are i suppose. Once shipped and you get the fedex tracking #, it gets delivered the next day.
That´s great to hear. I´ve played with cyclone for 2 years , and my thoughts are exactely the same. The string is stiff and unconfortable at first but than it becomes better with great feel. The thing is that i´m returning to tennis after almost 3 months off with tennis elbow , and i don´t need strings that need time to settle in. I need some confort from the start.
Does the co focus grab the ball well? have you ever tried the Weiss Cannon Red Ghost and compare? Seems to be close in specs , but the red ghost it´s shapped...
No, never played with Red Ghost. The MSV Focus Hex is 6-sided (hexagonal) so it also slides while it's fresh to generate spin off of some snap-back in addition to it just being shaped. I would say it moves/snaps back better than Cyclone, but not as well as Hyper-G. If I had the money to spend $160 on a reel I would probably play with Hyper-G, but MSV gives me almost everything I want for half the price.
The Focus Hex plays well for about 20 hours, then (like any poly), it starts to stiffen up and you will lose the easy ability to get shape on your shots. Spin will still be there, but strictly off of technique and racket angle at impact. It's pretty much where I am now with my 18x20 which is why I'm looking forward to restringing in a week.
The Focus Hex plays well for about 20 hours, then (like any poly), it starts to stiffen up and you will lose the easy ability to get shape on your shots. Spin will still be there, but strictly off of technique and racket angle at impact. It's pretty much where I am now with my 18x20 which is why I'm looking forward to restringing in a week.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm has plenty of grab, spin, and control while being very comfortable. It will not have as much as some shaped polys but it is sufficient to execute all the shots.
Cool , that´s what i need. Can you compare it with other poly? or it´s one of a kind?
For what it’s worth I had the V1 (Vantage) version and it did have the issue that Joohan referred to. It was fine until I got golfers elbow from a head racquet and then the v1 tended to aggrevate it. I was too chicken to go for the Ra70 at the time as I couldn’t demo it and moved to a Yonex dual g which was fine though stiffer. Glad to hear the Ra70 doesn’t suffer that so it’s tempting to come back into the fold as am looking around for a change again.
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haqq777
Legend
I see. Actually V1 Angell was the gunmetal paint job with white graphics. Those were the very first Angells after they transitioned from Vantage brand (Vantages were just called as Vantages). And I have had absolutely no buzzing or vibration issues with 63RA versions. I had a V1 TC100 as well (in fact was my first Angell which I purchased from @topspn years ago). No vibration issue at all. After that I went through at least a dozen V2 versions from different batches, never had one buzz or virlbrate on me. Have been sharing photos and updates on this thread for a long time now, as you probably know. I always used fresh string setup and strung in the 48-52 lbs range though and most here, I notice, keep using old polys with string jobs some as old as from previous seasons.
I currently own one V2 TC100 70RA, three V2 TC100 63RA, two V3 TC100 70RA, and 3 V3 TC97 18X20. Not a single one buzzes or sends vibrations. Zero complaints from me. And I am not even using Angells as my main sticks (using my Babs this season).
If you are using babolats and are ok with that **** , than you have to be great with any Angell , either they have some defect or not...
haqq777
Legend
Actually, I have a vast pallet when it comes to tennis racquets so it's not like I am used to Babolats alone. I used Phantoms for a long time when they were released, as well as older, flexy sticks like MG Prestiges, PK Redondos etc. Before that, I also used Pure Storms and older Pure Controls that were some of the best Babolat ever made.
Faris
Professional
Babolats get a bad rep on this forum. They play pretty ok and are what they are. The stereotype that Babolat player doesnt play with touch and feel and isn't sensitive to vibes is absolutely wrong. I have played with @haqq777 here in DC and he is a great player. Im a lowly 4.0 myself but he beat a local 5.0 in my club in straight sets and you can tell he played college tennis. You can't get to that high a level and not be sensitive to how a racquet plays.
Good to know. I only noticed the issue with mine once I had the golfers elbow as up to then it was very arm friendly. Had the same issue with a yonex DR98 at the time too but not with some firmer frames. By then it was pretty old, though the strings weren’t so maybe the frame was just old and knackered like me! The tc100 63RA used to be higher swing weight than the RA70, but that’s meant to have changed with the v3. I go for frames in the 300-305g unstrung weight and 32cm-ish balance and play mostly doubles. Can you comment on how a TC100 RA70 plays compared to the RA63 at that sort of weight spec? (Otherwise after demos I’ll probably go for a Gravity or one of the current 100” Yonex offerings (tried and like them all but for different reasons).
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itsstephenyo
Semi-Pro
During Christmas I ordered two sticks, and both of em got to my door in about less than two weeks.
I gotta say though, that was a looooong two weeks
haqq777
Legend
Ah, gotchya. Hope your GE is better, those things take a while to heal fully too.
Yes, the V2 TC100 with 63RA were considerably higher swingweight compared to V2 TC100 with 70RA, unless you specifically requested Paul for a lower swingweight one but that was rare, as Paul told me.
To give you an idea, for V3 TC100 63RA, the strung swingweight probably dropped by maybe 4 or 5 points compared to V2 TC100 63RA. My V2 TC100 were 332/333 swingweight. My V3 TC100 are 327/328 ish. All stock at 310g/315mm option.
For the 70 RA, you'll find the them to be a tad crisper at same specs, a little less stable (easily solved with adding weight to hoop) and quick to move through the air. For net play, I will still give the edge to 63RA because it feels more stable and solid. In the end though, I think it is personal preference really.
I´m not talking about payability. Babolats are the easy rackets to play , that´s why all beginners make a big jump in their game after they start playing with a Babolat. But those rackets are **** to your arm and they favour the development of bad strokes...
The discussion was about feeling some bad vibrations on some Angell rackets , and what i ´ve said is that if you are ok with the vibrations of that Babolats crap , then you will never feel anything wrong in an Angell...
Yep ,
Paul confirmed me that my 2 V3 TC97 were 4 points lower in swingweight than my V2 TC97. It has to do with the new paint job being less complicated on the 3 and 9 positions.
That´s what he told me...
tpro2000
Rookie
Yeah - when I got mine it was like a few days to "build" for a TC95 and a TC90 for my coworker but it was overnight shipping after that. Pretty cool!
Faris
Professional
You do know that older Babs felt really good, right? If you don't know what I am referring to, pick up a PSGT LTD. Very much a players racquet. Also, they made racquets close to player's racquets specs till not too long ago as well.
Second, I disagree about player developing bad strokes using Babolats. This topic has been beaten to death with a stick. If you take lessons and fundamentals are taught properly, you don't develop bad strokes regardless of racquet. That is like saying heavier racquets stop you from developing bad strokes. Quote the opposite, you start abbreviating swings to cope with heavy weight and your mechanics get shot. You will also injure your shoulder and if you try hitting heavy topspin modern strokes with old heavy racquets. Just because a racquet is heavy doesn't mean it makes your strokes fundamentals correct. Lessons. That is the key.
Third, if you are insinuating they are easy to play racquets for beginners, I suggest you look at higher level players using them. Plenty of those people around in all walks of the game.
And that is why I said, this is a very stereotypical look at Babolats and modern game. I certainly don't agree with that take. If Babolats were so **** like you keep on saying, you'd think they wouldn't be popular and best sellers in current market.
Also, as I said, the guy is a high level player who can feels everything. To suggest that since he plays with Babolats he will somehow be okay with Angells vibrating is flawed. He just told you in a post above that he has played with all sorts of racquets and knows feedbacks. How can you impose on him what he feels and doesn't feel?
haqq777
Legend
Do you think that simply because I play with Babolats this season, I will forget how Angells played or I will become insensitive to their feedback? Quite naive.
tennisgurl
Semi-Pro
Agree with all of your post. I am currently a 4.0 and taking lessons with multiple very good tennis pros and every one of them thinks that this whole "light racquets lead to bad strokes" is dated and old school thinking. Its not like heavier racquets magically fix your form. For a rec player he/she will either arm the ball or move to a racquet that helps him generate better ball if uncoached. If properly coached, he/she will use any racquet correctly. That is why coaching and lessons are fundamental in developing good technique. Let me tell you, you can develop bad technique with both a 13oz frame or a 10 oz one.
topspn
Legend
I gave you connoisseur and you’re going with rabbit hole?lol, it's a rabbit hole. You know what I mean
lol totally know what you mean
sanister
Professional
I agree with you guys. Just my quick two cents here on a sidenote as I know this is an Angell thread and discussion should be mostly on that.
My son is a freshman tennis player for a division one school in mid west with a good tennis program. I have traveled with him a lot through the course of him starting tennis as a kid until he chose his school, met with numerous college parents, attended tournaments, met lots of coaches, met staff at events, you name it (if you know the tennis woes of parents you'll know this traveling bit is a big one). His coach I hired during high school is a great guy who worked directly under Adam Steinberg, Michigan's Head Tennis coach. Anyway, let me tell you, not once have I seen any these college kids using heavier old school control racquets so so popular here on TW forum. Its either Babolats, Radicals, or Blades. Maybe Yonex in last two years. My son's current head coach and I were discussing this just a few months back and he also said that these types of racquets are conducive to modern game style and every kid who has to survive, has to hit big and heavy. And as for technique, I can't even begin to tell you how good these college kids are these days. They all learned on light modern sticks and they all have beautiful modern technique. Tweener type racquets aren't giving them bad strokes or making their tennis form poor. In fact they are helping them play the modern game better.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
It's just a great round poly. I found it to play really well. I executed all my strokes well and it gave me the confidence to go for my shots and aim near the lines.
The only string I have had a problem with (and I can't explain why) was Tourna Big Hitter Black 7. For some reason, I just couldn't serve properly or control my shots. That night that I tried it, the racquet was freshly strung and it was a racquet I used before (a Prestige MP), but I could not hit my shots if my life depended on it. Since we were playing doubles, and I felt bad for my partner, I changed to the same racquet strung with a different string and immediately I was nailing all my shots and had no problems for the rest of the night (even after I pulled out several different racquets from the bag, so it wasn't even that I was having a bad night).
The reason I mentioned this is that I play ok with most strings. The MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm was a very good string and at the price point rises to excellent for me. It doesn't have as much spin as a Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable (which I also like very much, but due to the thickness of the string and therefore the added weight to the string bed, I would only use in open string patterns), or a Weiss Cannon Red Ghost, or Tecnifibre Black Code 4S, but in my Angell TC95 63RA 18x20 it was a string with which I could hit any shot I thought of, and I could boss my opponent around (or hang with a very good opponent). I didn't feel like it had many (if any) flaws.
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Great , thats what i look for in a string. Will try it for shure...
The TW Lab gives a low stifeness to the Ultra Cable , but people seem not to look at it as that soft. What do you think in terms of Confort?.
And i´ve tried the Black Code 4S once , it seemed ok in terms of confort but the TW Lab scares people with it stifnnes. How was the confort of those two for you? I suppose the Red Ghost it´s confy , wright?
topspn
Legend
The one caveat i have with tweeners is stiffness and if your arm can handle it, no argument on playability.
sanister
Professional
Yeah, for sure. I know so many who like the opposite of soft and noodly and gravitate to stiffer tweener type racquets. Matter of preference really. And if arm is good with that, I say enjoy!
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
I found the Ultra Cable very comfortable... mine was strung in a Yonex RDiS 100 MP (16x19) @ 47 Mains/ 44 Crosses. This was a tad too low... still had plenty of directional and depth control as well as loads of spin, but could have been just a bit tighter. Next time I'll string the racquet at 48M/45C or 49M/46C.
The Black Code 4S is stiffer in comparison, but still comfortable.
Red Ghost is very comfortable, but I think the Ultra Cable is softer or more muted... they have a different feel. Because the Red Ghost is not as thick I can use it in more racquets.
tennis347
Hall of Fame
Totally agree, arm health first. You certainly get easier power and spin with the modern tweener but I still believe that you lose feel. But today's game is all about power and spin. IMO it adds another dimension to your game if you the touch shots in your arsenal.