Novak Djokovic must 'feel responsibility' at coronavirus at Adria Tour, says Evans

Lleytonstation

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He won't take any responsibility, but until top players speak out, it won't make much of a difference. Murray spoke on it in a way that did not put much ownership on djoker at all.
 

Red Rick

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He won't take any responsibility, but until top players speak out, it won't make much of a difference. Murray spoke on it in a way that did not put much ownership on djoker at all.
Like 90% depends on the exact communication between Djokovic, others who organised it, and the local authorities who okayed the event.
 

octogon

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He won't take any responsibility, but until top players speak out, it won't make much of a difference. Murray spoke on it in a way that did not put much ownership on djoker at all.


That's the drawback of the top players all doing the "nicey nicey" we are all buddies that chat on Insta and have group whatsapp chats routine. It leaves them all reluctant to truly call each other out when they have done something horrible. And Djokovic has done something horrible.

I think even Federer, if he comments on the situation, will try to be diplomatic about it in a way that doesn't make it seem like he's taking a direct shot at Novak. And Rafa probably won't want to say anything to confrontational about Novak either. The worst they will say is the Aidra Tournament was a poorly thought out idea, but none of the top guys will really want to directly call out Djokovic for being reckless and irresponsible.
 

BeatlesFan

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I think even Federer, if he comments on the situation, will try to be diplomatic about it in a way that doesn't make it seem like he's taking a direct shot at Novak. And Rafa probably won't want to say anything to confrontational about Novak either. The worst they will say is the Aidra Tournament was a poorly thought out idea, but none of the top guys will really want to directly call out Djokovic for being reckless and irresponsible.
There's no reason for either Roger or Rafa to comment on it, but everything you say here is true. Had it been the old days and Lendl had organized the event, Connors and Mac would have been bleeding comments to the press: "What an a-shole! This is all on Lendl! You see why everyone hates his guts!?" In the pre-P.C. days, such comments weren't uncommon. Neither Fed or Rafa ever say anything remotely off beat, they're so bland it's beyond belief. Neither will ever rock the boat, since they're beholden to their sponsors.
 
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Fedforever

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That's the drawback of the top players all doing the "nicey nicey" we are all buddies that chat on Insta and have group whatsapp chats routine. It leaves them all reluctant to truly call each other out when they have done something horrible. And Djokovic has done something horrible.

I think even Federer, if he comments on the situation, will try to be diplomatic about it in a way that doesn't make it seem like he's taking a direct shot at Novak. And Rafa probably won't want to say anything to confrontational about Novak either. The worst they will say is the Aidra Tournament was a poorly thought out idea, but none of the top guys will really want to directly call out Djokovic for being reckless and irresponsible.

Federer's team also wouldn't say much since Zverev is managed by them.

This was an error of judgement by Novak but the other players should also have acted with a bit of a common sense as well.
 

TimHenmanATG

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any tennis player who attended were grown adults who made decisions for themselves. They chose to take the risk. 25% of the world will have been infected with the virus, so testing positives is not in itself some catastrophe.

Nowhere near 25% of the world has been infected. You only get figures like that in densely populated hotspots like Bergamo, New York, Guayaquil, etc.

If we were anywhere near 25%, then we wouldn't have been cooped up inside for the past 3 months!

In addition, you are missing the entire point. Obviously, young and healthy sportspeople aren't going to cop it too badly.

But they don't live a bubble. If they get infected, then they can pass it on to anyone they interact with.

Eventually, the knock-on effect will lead to vulnerable people, and people who live or work with an at-risk person.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Nowhere near 25% of the world has been infected. You only get figures like that in densely populated hotspots like Bergamo, New York, Guayaquil, etc.

If we were anywhere near 25%, then we wouldn't have been cooped up inside for the past 3 months!

In addition, you are missing the entire point. Obviously, young and healthy sportspeople aren't going to cop it too badly.

But they don't live a bubble. If they get infected, then they can pass it on to anyone they interact with.

Eventually, the knock-on effect will lead to vulnerable people, and people who live or work with an at-risk person.
There is no way to fully avoid contagion. It’s a risk and one that everyone who goes out takes. At-risk people need to isolate, the rest need to learn to cope.
 
There is no way to fully avoid contagion. It’s a risk and one that everyone who goes out takes. At-risk people need to isolate, the rest need to learn to cope.
The world is coming to this realization. That and not to send people who are recovering from it back to the nursing homes like NY state did.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
There's no reason for either Roger or Rafa to comment on it, but everything you say here is true. Had it been the old days and Lendl had organized the event, Connors and Mac would have been bleeding comments to the press: "What an a-shole! This is all on Lendl! You see why everyone hates his guts!?" In the pre-P.C. days, such comments weren't uncommon. Neither Fed or Rafa ever saw anything remotely off beat, they're so bland it's beyond belief. Neither will ever rock the boat, since they're beholden to their sponsors.

Do you think it's only because of sponsorships? Roger and Rafa imo wouldn't want to deal with the controversy regardless. It is beneath them.
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
maybe at risk people should stay home or in their nursing homes (unless it is NY). High risk people always have to isolate if they are in poor health or are immunocompromised. It’s not the fault of anyone but the person who decided to leave his or her house if the person got coronavirus or the flu. If someone lives with or cares for someone who is at high risk, then he or she needs to take special precautions. But don’t penalize or stigmatize healthy people who want to live their lives and have no forced contact with at risk groups. 3 million people die in the United States every year. The 122K (so far) needs to be put into perspective.

these tennis players can gauge the risk factors if they

It's amazing how so many people just can't seem to wrap their head around the very simple fact of virus replication.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
How would you do that?

Do you realise how many "normal" underlying conditions are clinically known to be a risk factor in negative outcomes for Covid-19 infection?
No one claims it’s easy. Just pointing out that Covid attacks some groups much more than others and so, for example, if you are over 65 you should stay at home while if you are 30 you face much less risks
 

Federer and Del Potro

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TTW censorship is strong today.

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octogon

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any tennis player who attended were grown adults who made decisions for themselves. They chose to take the risk. 25% of the world will have been infected with the virus, so testing positive is not in itself some catastrophe.

Peer pressure is a thing. Djokovic is the world no.1, Player's Council President and a GOAT contender. He's seen as a leader. Very few players carry equal weight to him. It would be very hard for most players to say no to him if he made a request of them. Maybe only Federer and Nadal are in a position of equal status to easily turn down a request from Novak.
 

jm1980

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Peer pressure is a thing. Djokovic is the world no.1, Player's Council President and a GOAT contender. He's seen as a leader. Very few players carry equal weight to him. It would be very hard for most players to say no to him if he made a request of them. Maybe only Federer and Nadal are in a position of equal status to easily turn down a request from Novak.
You can privately turn down the request. It's not like Djokovic was going to publicly call out those who refused
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
You can privately turn down the request. It's not like Djokovic was going to publicly call out those who refused

Sure, but the power dynamic is still hugely unequal. The players who said yes are not completely blame free, but the lion's share of the blame has to go to Novak, who relied on his power and position of leadership to get thosd players to commit in the first place.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Sure, but the power dynamic is still hugely unequal. The players who said yes are not completely blame free, but the lion's share of the blame has to go to Novak, who relied on his power and position of leadership to get thosd players to commit in the first place.
There is no blame. Of any kind.
 
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No wonder Djokovic fans don't feel he is responsible, it seems he doesn't either! Well as long as we all hope everyone is going to be fine, hey?
 

RF-18

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Djokovic should take some blame, but he shouldn't be singled out like this although I get that Djokovic is the face of all this so people look to him. But these pros should know better than to just single out one person. He is not Dimitrovs nor the other players dads. Everybody is responsible here for not taking precautions and have some sort of respect for the virus.
 

a10best

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Dan "the man" Evans verily spitteth the truth.
It's two months before the US Open. These players who tested positive can test negative by then easily. Some star NBA players tested positive, quarantined themselves and 2-3 weeks later were tested negative.
 

TennisManiac

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It's two months before the US Open. These players who tested positive can test negative by then easily. Some star NBA players tested positive, quarantined themselves and 2-3 weeks later were tested negative.
Sure, it's likely that everyone will recover. But this illness greatly affects the lungs. There's a chance that those who become affected will have some sort of permanent decline in regards to their lungs capabilities. In other words... this could very well end careers.
 
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Sure, it's likely that everyone will recover. But this illness greatly affects the lungs. There's a chance that those who become affected will have some sort of permanent decline in regards to their lungs capabilities. In other words... this could very well end careers.

Have any of the players, besides Dimitrov, displayed any symptoms? Testing positive and being actually ill are different things.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
Sure, it's likely that everyone will recover. But this illness greatly affects the lungs. There's a chance that those who become affected will have some sort of permanent decline in regards to their lungs capabilities. In other words... this could very well end careers.
This gets repeated too much ^^^
Where is the proof and studies that an athletes' performance the next year or 5 years from now will decline because of Covid-19 when we JUST GOT THE Virus this year!! Was there a study showing lung capacity decline when one had pneumonia or another earlier version of corona virus in the last 20 years?
Did they conduct a study of how one's lungs can be improved or rid of the Covid-19 damage?
Infectitious diseases doctors & epidemiologists are not all in agreement.
We should not focus on worst case scenarios even if the mainstream news does that to people.
Millions of people have it and are asymptomatic or recovered and will continue daily life with precautions and get back into competitive amateur or pro sports or casual exercise.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
There's no reason for either Roger or Rafa to comment on it, but everything you say here is true. Had it been the old days and Lendl had organized the event, Connors and Mac would have been bleeding comments to the press: "What an a-shole! This is all on Lendl! You see why everyone hates his guts!?" In the pre-P.C. days, such comments weren't uncommon. Neither Fed or Rafa ever saw anything remotely off beat, they're so bland it's beyond belief. Neither will ever rock the boat, since they're beholden to their sponsors.
I'm not sure. On the one hand, I recall that era as well, and it was (as you said) less "PC", and there was more animosity among them.
But, there really was not a situation involving a health pandemic, or something comparable. One would hope that personal rivalries/animus would not come into this, and that there would be a general sense of compassion and empathy - both then and now.
 
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