Most overrated player on tour currently?
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Yugram
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@TheNachoMan your pick?
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TheNachoMan
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Medvedev. He’s done almost nothing since USO 2019
Yugram
Legend
Shanghai win is actually not nothing, it’s more than 99% of the tour have.
But you’re right if we shift the post to "since Shanghai".
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TheNachoMan
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I forgot all about Shanghai. Okay, since Shanghai then.Shanghai win is actually not nothing, it’s more than 99% of the tour have.
But you’re right if we shift the post to "since Shanghai".
I’m a bit disappointed because I expected him to win AO 2020 or USO 2020. Obviously the pandemic didn’t help..
Yugram
Legend
I’ve said no Djokovic/Federer/Nadal because everyone heard how overrated these mugs are a billion times.
Borg true GOAT.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I'll give FAA a pass, as he's still only 20, but much as I'd like to see him do well, I'm starting to get just a bit skeptical.
My easier answer, I suppose, is Kyrgios. At his best, I enjoy his talent - the huge serve, the very good hands and flair - but he needs to at least make a deep run at a major and/or get to and stay in the Top 10.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
How's the guy who just won a schlem without dropping a set (for the 4th time) while bagelling the world #1 overrated
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TheNachoMan
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I expected great things for him after his 2017 season. Hasn’t lived up to expectations unfortunately
Honestly if he fixes his serve he could be an improved version of Novak. Ultron T1000
Kyrgios. People think he could win slams if he had the right attitude, but I think that judgement makes not much sense. Attitude is an important attribute to a great player, and saying if he had better attitude he'd win, is, in my opinion, something like saying World No. 150 could win a slam if he had the right amount of talent. World No. 150 hasn't. Kyrgios hasn't the right attitude, so no point in saying "he'd win if...". He'll never win 7 best-of-5-matches in a row.
Yugram
Legend
It takes something more than physicality and technique to reproduce Djokovic/Nadal peak level. It’s deeply mental. Medvedev went on one of the most impressive HC streaks of recent years (F-F-W-F-W-W) despite having holes in both technique and physicality.I expected great things for him after his 2017 season. Hasn’t lived up to expectations unfortunately
Honestly if he fixes his serve he could be an improved version of Novak. Ultron T1000
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TheNachoMan
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Peakrev is a sight to behold. I hope he’s not another Safin, shows up twice a year if we’re lucky then goes missing.
megamind
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because he was winning Challenger matches at the age of 14
megamind
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Deleted member 775898
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Thiem on clay. Outside RG, his results have been quite bad for someone who is supposed to be the "Prince of clay" ( 0 Masters titles, never reached Rome F, never even reached Monte-Carlo SF ). And even at RG, his only purpose is to own Djokovic in semis and replace him as Nadal's punching bag in the finals.
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TheNachoMan
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He’s now 20 and has zero titles to his names. Rafa had something like 15 titles + a Rome and RG title by the time he was 19.
They don’t make em like they used to
Yugram
Legend
Thiem’s lack of any big clay titles is truly interesting. If we look at 2017-2019 clay Masters and exclude tournaments where Nadal was in good form, then Thiem had Rome 17, Madrid 18, MC19, Madrid 19 Open for him. Not that many opportunities, really. But he should have capitalised on Madrid in 19, imo.
Yugram
Legend
C’MOOOOOOOOOOOON
I think the next gen in general is very disappointing. Tsitsipas has two slam semis, Shapo has one QUARTERFINAL as his best slam. They haven't had much deep runs, and they have lost a ton of matches they should never lose (e.g. Shapo losing to Carballes Baena)
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Tshitsipas.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
A few years ago I would say Coric, but I don't think anyone still rates this mug at this point. Now it is probably Tsitsipas or FAA.
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TheNachoMan
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I had to look up who won Madrid in 2019. Couldn’t even remember
Novak holds the masters record but I find some of them quite forgettable
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Thiem's claim to peak is pretty much edging Oldovic/windovic at RG to get rekt by Nadl though he stole a set. Beat Oldal in masters twice but wasted that by getting rekt to elbowvic and botrev.
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If Zverev ( twice ) and Fognini could capitalise on these opportunities, then the "Prince of clay" has absolutely no excuse for not doing so.
Amritia
Hall of Fame
Spot on. No consistency on his forehand, which is his main weapon.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
It makes no sense. The mental part of the game at the very highest levels is just as important to winning Big Titles*** as any stroke or on-court movement. It’s a major part of what makes VAMOS talent so rare: his “attitude”/mental toughness.
A great tennis philosopher once said:
“If, if, if...doesn’t exist.”
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I Am Finnish
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Fedr
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Matching Bernie and Nick.
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Nuclear Warhead Sinner
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Jannik Sinner.
Spoiled brat with a lifeless on court demeanour who's for some mysterious reason touted as the "next big thing".
Ball basher bot! All he does is unload nuclear warheads until his opponent runs out of stamina! He's incapable of hitting the ball delicately yet people compare him to the Maestro?! Disgraceful!!
He vultured his way to RG QF then choked against a beatable Nadal for 2 consecutive sets until Nadal started Nadaling ...yet this kid is supposed to dominate an entire era? Roflmao give me a break!!
He's never gonna win a Slam, let alone 10+! He should've sticked to skiing!!!
Spoiled brat with a lifeless on court demeanour who's for some mysterious reason touted as the "next big thing".
Ball basher bot! All he does is unload nuclear warheads until his opponent runs out of stamina! He's incapable of hitting the ball delicately yet people compare him to the Maestro?! Disgraceful!!
He vultured his way to RG QF then choked against a beatable Nadal for 2 consecutive sets until Nadal started Nadaling ...yet this kid is supposed to dominate an entire era? Roflmao give me a break!!
He's never gonna win a Slam, let alone 10+! He should've sticked to skiing!!!
There you go Jannik, your entire carreer is now invulnerable to jinxes
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
How's the guy who just won a schlem without dropping a set (for the 4th time) while bagelling the world #1 overrated
He is overrated because certain people actually have him in the running as overall GOAT when he cannot win indoor to save his life.
Still zero Tour Finals titles last I checked.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
He has 20 schlems and looks poised to pass that mark by 2-4 more.
Every player has holes in their career. Ol’ Rog and Joker don’t have a single OSG between the 2 of them despite the fact that every edition has been played on HC or grass in 2012. Borg never got the job done at the USO. PETE was much worse on clay than RAFA is indoors.
Even Laver never won the WTF. Yes, I know he was old at that point in time. But the first edition was played only a year after he just completed the OE CYGS. And he did make the F that year. Indoors is such a short period of time in the modern season as it is. There’s like what 3 indoor tournaments a year. Everyone wants to move the goalposts now that RAFA is in the pole position.
bleno567
Professional
Just throwing flames wantonly. Sinner is not a "spoiled brat." The kid started late in tennis and had no notable juniors career. He was a person that nobody expected to be where he is and got there through sheer grit.
The fact that he outperformed Novak at RG at 19 y/o clearly speaks to his enormous potential. If I could switch bodies with anyone on the tour right now, I'd pick him. Most exciting active player out there.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
No one is moving the goal posts. Ive said for years that it matters that he has not won a WTF. Its not like he has just recently begun to suck on indoor courts. He has only 2 indoor titles in his whole career...almost 20 years! Look at how many WTF titles Note and Fed have in comparison, thats just too big a disparity.
Nadal is the undisputed Clay GOAT for eternity, that is certain. His records will never be broken. But overall GOAT? No way.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Since PETE set the record back in 2000, pretty much everyone and their mother has said whoever has the most schlems is the GOAT. When Ol' Rog set the record at Wimby in 09 everyone called him the new GOAT, even though he trailed PETE in YE#1, weeks at #1, WTF, etc.
I'm just going by the "rules" the media, historians, pundits, current/ex-players have made.
The clay season is much longer than the indoor season. Yet I'm willing to bet you had/have PETE above RAFA despite never even making an RG F. Let alone winning one.
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BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
Everyone is called a mug on this board so I don't know. Maybe Benoit Paire? Or Fabio Fognini.
But its Federer, to be frank. One of the worst ATG players in the mental strength department and his pretty strokes overshadow this ability, its clear. Federer is an ATG, 3rd-4th best player of all time when the big 3 retire, but he's still overrated.
But its Federer, to be frank. One of the worst ATG players in the mental strength department and his pretty strokes overshadow this ability, its clear. Federer is an ATG, 3rd-4th best player of all time when the big 3 retire, but he's still overrated.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
I agree on some point but let's just say it's a minor blemish than not winning RG (Sampras), Wimbledon (Lendl) or the US Open (Borg), for example.
I think it no longer makes sense to compare the most prestigious tournament that the ATP has with the 4 Majors tournaments that make up the Grand Slam, the pinnacle of this sport.
Equating the WTF with these premier events in the sport is a bad joke.
Each tournament must be given its due importance, neither more nor less.
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BackhandDTL
Hall of Fame
You aren’t going to win arguing with a Fed fan. In a year the only metric that will matter is Halle titles.
Shaolin
G.O.A.T.
I don't have Pete above Rafa at all, even though Pete was my favorite player. He was horrible on clay and could lose to anyone.
Also everyone has their own rules, its subjective.
My rules for overall GOAT are simple: if someone was playing for your life and you didn't know the venue in advance (randomly chosen), who would you pick?
For me thats Nole or Fed. They are amazing on grass/hard/clay and indoor. Everything. You cant pick Rafa, he really sucks indoor. Also he can lose to any random journeyman on grass before its all chewed up (Rosol/Darcis/Brown etc). Also Rafa complains too much about the WTF, if he was a true GOAT he would stop complaining and find a way to win, instead of running off to his fishing boat every other year.
The Blond Blur
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