Most overrated player on tour currently?

[Znak]

Ruud

You take that back!

Rublev

Ach.. you were so close and then had to say Rublev

 

[conjoshruk]

Jannik Sinner.

Spoiled brat with a lifeless on court demeanour who's for some mysterious reason touted as the "next big thing".
Ball basher bot! All he does is unload nuclear warheads until his opponent runs out of stamina! He's incapable of hitting the ball delicately yet people compare him to the Maestro?! Disgraceful!!
He vultured his way to RG QF then choked against a beatable Nadal for 2 consecutive sets until Nadal started Nadaling ...yet this kid is supposed to dominate an entire era? Roflmao give me a break!!
He's never gonna win a Slam, let alone 10+! He should've sticked to skiing!!!

Spoiler

There you go Jannik, your entire carreer is now invulnerable to jinxes

Lol, you call being calm and composed on court 'lifeless'. Not all players have to shout and yell 'come on' after every single point.
The guy played at a pretty high level iagainst Nadal in the RG QF a few weeks ago. He has received so much hype, but I feel like he hasn't been around long enough to say he's overhyped. Someone like Kygrios or even FAA would be better choices!

 

[BackhandDTL]

Lol, you call being calm and composed on court 'lifeless'. Not all players have to shout and yell 'come on' after every single point.
The guy played at a pretty high level in against Nadal in the RG QF a few weeks ago. He has received so much hype, but I feel like he hasn't been around long enough to say he's overhyped. Someone like Kygrios or even FAA would be better choices!

Look at the spoiler. Me thinks he’s kidding.

 

[aldeayeah]

Look at the spoiler. Me thinks he’s kidding.

The fact that he has Sinner in his username should be a dead giveaway

 

[it slipped out of my hand]

My choice is Auger Aliassime. I don’t think this guy is even a Masters-winning material, let alone Slams, #1s...

Don’t know how can anyone see Djokovic/Federer/Nadal in him.

100% agree, never understood the hype around him.

 

[pico]

My choice is Auger Aliassime. I don’t think this guy is even a Masters-winning material, let alone Slams, #1s...

Don’t know how can anyone see Djokovic/Federer/Nadal in him.

I second this!!!

 

[James P]

I don't understand how you could possibly not understand the hype around FAA. It's quite possible he will not pan out, but when you're setting all sorts of "first to" records, your name will be bandied about for greatness.

 

[daphne]

FAA hands down. Kyrgios is not even a player.

 

[Druss]

F. Tiafoe.

 

[Nuclear Warhead Sinner]

Just throwing flames wantonly. Sinner is not a "spoiled brat." The kid started late in tennis and had no notable juniors career. He was a person that nobody expected to be where he is and got there through sheer grit.

The fact that he outperformed Novak at RG at 19 y/o clearly speaks to his enormous potential. If I could switch bodies with anyone on the tour right now, I'd pick him. Most exciting active player out there.

Lol, you call being calm and composed on court 'lifeless'. Not all players have to shout and yell 'come on' after every single point.
The guy played at a pretty high level iagainst Nadal in the RG QF a few weeks ago. He has received so much hype, but I feel like he hasn't been around long enough to say he's overhyped. Someone like Kygrios or even FAA would be better choices!

Please take a look at my spoiler, my signature, my profile picture and my name.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Kyrgios. People think he could win slams if he had the right attitude, but I think that judgement makes not much sense. Attitude is an important attribute to a great player, and saying if he had better attitude he'd win, is, in my opinion, something like saying World No. 150 could win a slam if he had the right amount of talent. World No. 150 hasn't. Kyrgios hasn't the right attitude, so no point in saying "he'd win if...". He'll never win 7 best-of-5-matches in a row.

Kyrgios was overrated. I don't think any sane person now thinks he is gonna win Slam or What.


Zverev seems overrated player to me. He may win a Slam or two he ain't better than Tsonga or Berdych of Big 3 era IMO.

 

[clayqueen]

My choice is Auger Aliassime. I don’t think this guy is even a Masters-winning material, let alone Slams, #1s...

Don’t know how can anyone see Djokovic/Federer/Nadal in him.

I think he is trying to live up to the hype and going for too much resulting in UEs. He certainly has potential but he has to be patient not every young player is Rafael Nadal.

 

[Yugram]

He is overrated because certain people actually have him in the running as overall GOAT when he cannot win indoor to save his life.

Last time I checked, he bageled Djokovic indoors. Fix your ignorance.

 

[aldeayeah]

He has slightly better numbers indoors than Pete did on clay, but then again indoors is a small part of the calendar since 2009, with only 2 mandatory events (Paris and WTF, although IIRC it was mandatory to enter at least one of the fall 500s for some time)

Perhaps he should vulture some indoor 250s to improve his numbers

 

[ravenousRublev]

Would definitely move zverev up to real deal will be a multiple slam winner. Kyrgios doesn't belong in real deal skeptical at best. Would move Berretini up to skeptical could win a Wimbledon title with none of the big 3 around.

'Nextgen' prospects who will never win a slam IMO:

Coric
Tiafoe
Berretini
Khach
Demon
Garin
Ruud
Fritz
Kecmanovic
Edmund
Tommy Paul
Moutet

Skeptical:

FAA
Zverev
Shapo

Real Deal:

Tsitsi
Thiem
Med
Rublev
Sinner
Kyrgios

Underrated (but still no slams I think):

Humbert
Ruusuvori

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Last time I checked, he bageled Djokovic indoors. Fix your ignorance.

You know they meant indoor hard but couldn't help yourself.

 

[Yugram]

You know they meant indoor hard but couldn't help yourself.

His take about "playing for your life" is demagogue garbage anyway. "Indoor" is not a surface, it’s playing condition. If we go surface+playing condition, then I can say Federer is useless in humid nights, and Djokovic is useless on windy days.

 

[bleno567]

Please take a look at my spoiler, my signature, my profile picture and my name.

My b. Good post.

 

[D.Nalby12]

'Nextgen' prospects who will never win a slam IMO:

Coric
Tiafoe
Berretini
Khach
Demon
Garin
Ruud
Fritz
Kecmanovic
Edmund
Tommy Paul
Moutet

Skeptical:

FAA
Zverev
Shapo

Real Deal:

Tsitsi
Thiem
Med
Rublev
Sinner
Kyrgios

Underrated (but still no slams I think):

Humbert
Ruusuvori

Bet your house if you think Kyrgios gonna win Slam.

 

[bhpower]

Hyeon Chung, many said he was the Djokovic successor, lol.

 

[ForehandRF]

Everyone is called a mug on this board so I don't know. Maybe Benoit Paire? Or Fabio Fognini.

But its Federer, to be frank. One of the worst ATG players in the mental strength department and his pretty strokes overshadow this ability, its clear. Federer is an ATG, 3rd-4th best player of all time when the big 3 retire, but he's still overrated.

Taking advantage of any opportunity to put a dig on Fed eh ? We all get it, you don't like him so stop being repetitive.

 

[Xemi666]

No one is moving the goal posts. Ive said for years that it matters that he has not won a WTF. Its not like he has just recently begun to suck on indoor courts. He has only 2 indoor titles in his whole career...almost 20 years! Look at how many WTF titles Note and Fed have in comparison, thats just too big a disparity.

Nadal is the undisputed Clay GOAT for eternity, that is certain. His records will never be broken. But overall GOAT? No way.

Says who? You? Lol. WTF is not a slam, therefore it's irrelevant. Whoever has the most slams at the end is the GOAT, it's that simple.

 

[beltsman]

Meddy

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Hyeon Chung, many said he was the Djokovic successor, lol.

At the time maybe but now he is forgotten

 

[Red Rick]

Currently? As for current ability?

Don't know I guess it's between FAA and Shapovalov mostly?

 

[Shaolin]

Says who? You? Lol. WTF is not a slam, therefore it's irrelevant. Whoever has the most slams at the end is the GOAT, it's that simple.

WTF is the 2nd biggest tournament next to the slams and your ignorance of that doesn't change the fact.

Nadal is terrible indoors and cannot manage a single WTF title in almost 20 years on tour, worse yet he complains about the surface and instead of finding a way to win he takes the tournament off and hides on his boat.

Cheers

 

[Xemi666]

WTF is the 2nd biggest tournament next to the slams and your ignorance of that doesn't change the fact.

So we're in agreement that WTF is not a slam, nice. No number of WTFs makes up for a deficit in slam numbers, it's a tie breaker (among another tie breakers) when two players are equal in slams, that's about it.

Nadal is terrible indoors and cannot manage a single WTF title in almost 20 years on tour, worse yet he complains about the surface and instead of finding a way to win he takes the tournament off and hides on his boat.

Cheers

Indoors is not a surface, hardcourts is, and Nadal has 5 slams on hardcourts, sorry, try again. Oh, and he just bageled Djokovic indoors on RG a few weeks ago, last time I checked

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Nadal.

Not going to exclude players who are still active on the tour. Thanks.

Thank Rafa instead.

He gave you the best years of his life...

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Overrated in terms of talent or what they may achieve?

I would have to vote for Aliassime. I'd be amazed if he picked up a M1000. Slams and no 1 are light-years away, not a chance.

No other names would qualify. Nearly every player is pretty much realistically assessed.

 

[toby55555]

Fognini, 16 years a pro, 9 titles inc 1 Masters; not so great for a highly talented player.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Fognini, 16 years a pro, 9 titles inc 1 Masters; not so great for a highly talented player.

The thread isn't about underachievers but overrated players. I doubt he is overrated by tennis fans.

Admittedly, it's easy to confuse the two things.

 

[Gary Duane]

It takes something more than physicality and technique to reproduce Djokovic/Nadal peak level. It’s deeply mental. Medvedev went on one of the most impressive HC streaks of recent years (F-F-W-F-W-W) despite having holes in both technique and physicality.

The problem is that pure desire is a huge X factor, but for those with flaws in their games that desire has to stay so huge. They can't coast, so the moment that desire flags, they fall out of the top and often never get back again. It becomes about the ability to win ugly when nothing is working. I don't believe Meddy can do that consistently over time.

 

[aldeayeah]

Dunno, I think Med is quite an authority at winning ugly.

 

[mike danny]

I had to look up who won Madrid in 2019. Couldn’t even remember

Novak holds the masters record but I find some of them quite forgettable

I know all the big titles of the Big 3 by heart as well as all their big finals.

 

[mbm0912]

Shapovulva & dFAA

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

My choice is Auger Aliassime. I don’t think this guy is even a Masters-winning material, let alone Slams, #1s...

Don’t know how can anyone see Djokovic/Federer/Nadal in him.

Would ya make a poll please.
I'd like to vote for FAA, shapo, thiem,

 

[Deleted member 629564]

Peakrev is a sight to behold. I hope he’s not another Safin, shows up twice a year if we’re lucky then goes missing.

Another Safin? It's much worse.
Zverev fans should be really concerned he is going to be another Coria.
He lost the USO final leading 2-0 up a break in the 3rd. And 5-3 in the 5th.
Noone is able to get rid easily of that kind of nightmare loss.

 

[Heliath]

My rules for overall GOAT are simple: if someone was playing for your life and you didn't know the venue in advance (randomly chosen), who would you pick?

For me thats Nole or Fed.

The chances to get an indoor event (pure randomly chosen) are small, to get a grass event the chances are ridiculous. 9 out of 10 times the venue would be held outdoors HC or clay, and taking that into account it would be completely dumb to chose Federer over Nadal if you want to maximize survival chances.

 

[Deleted member 21996]

Chokinic Thiem

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Sir Nicholas Kyrgios

He needs to be a Commonwealth Knight!

 

[Nadalgaenger]

I would say that TTW generally does NOT overrate players. Basically anyone liked by one user is attacked by everyone else.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Impossible to answer but the thread has highlighted for me the curious clay case of missing masters for Thiem. Personally I don't think there have been many windows of opportunity but still I would have expected to see 1-2 wins. Nothing against Domi, just surprised that I somehow thought he won...

Kyrgios is a monster server with a great hand but there is surprising little success. Possibly the biggest gap between talent and performance I have seen in the last years.

Felix had an astonishing quick rise and an amazing Elo but is now on a long rough stretch of a road. Personally I think that some of his basics are not that strong as they should be.

 

[BackhandDTL]

Taking advantage of any opportunity to put a dig on Fed eh ? We all get it, you don't like him so stop being repetitive.

Where was the dig? Is it really a stretch to say Federer is overrated on this forum?

Everyone is called a mug bar Federer, who is 10-21 against Djokodal in slams and in a matter of 6 months will have no records remaining

 

[Shaolin]

The chances to get an indoor event (pure randomly chosen) are small, to get a grass event the chances are ridiculous. 9 out of 10 times the venue would be held outdoors HC or clay, and taking that into account it would be completely dumb to chose Federer over Nadal if you want to maximize survival chances.

I would actually love to see stats on who wins if conditions are chosen randomly. Yes drawing grass or indoor is less likely but there are still several large tournaments out of the year on them. Not sure why you said I'd choose Federer, I never said that. In fact I would choose Nole ahead of Fed in randomized playing conditions.

 

[Mainad]

FAA hands down. Kyrgios is not even a player.

He's a player alright just that not much of it takes place on a tennis court.

 

[Heliath]

I would actually love to see stats on who wins if conditions are chosen randomly. Yes drawing grass or indoor is less likely but there are still several large tournaments out of the year on them. Not sure why you said I'd choose Federer, I never said that. In fact I would choose Nole ahead of Fed in randomized playing conditions.

You answer implied that you would chose Federer over Nadal, which to me isnt a the best choice given that premise of "random venue".

 

[CYGS]

Fedr

 

[beast of mallorca]

Kyrhole

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

His take about "playing for your life" is demagogue garbage anyway. "Indoor" is not a surface, it’s playing condition. If we go surface+playing condition, then I can say Federer is useless in humid nights, and Djokovic is useless on windy days.

And guess what? Those are all valid comparable statements. You can sleep easy knowing you have made the tit for tat clear.

Also it doesn't look like they called indoors a surface in and of itself with their statement, so that looks like a strawman to me.

 

[Shaolin]

You answer implied that you would chose Federer over Nadal, which to me isnt a the best choice given that premise of "random venue".

I'd take Nole #1 then Fed over Nadal.

Too many players can beat Nadal on grass or indoors. Nole and Fed when in form are really only threatened by Rafa or Stan on clay.