mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nah, there is nothing that makes 2015 better, at least as far as their paths to slam titles are concerned.2007 is. 2004, no. 2005 about equal imo.
Nah, there is nothing that makes 2015 better, at least as far as their paths to slam titles are concerned.2007 is. 2004, no. 2005 about equal imo.
How come you keep responding to NoleFam and not the guys who believe 04/05 was stronger?Nah, there is nothing that makes 2015 better, at least as far as their paths to slam titles are concerned.
Nah, there is nothing that makes 2015 better, at least as far as their paths to slam titles are concerned.
Because it fits his narrative, lol. Just kidding.How come you keep responding to NoleFam and not the guys who believe 04/05 was stronger?
Lol, in 2015 we had a top-10 that couldn't even beat a 34 years old Federer...2004 had a top 10 who couldn't take one win off of Federer. His only losses came from the old guard and newer players. None of his peers could beat him but it was stronger? Lol ok.
Good underrated Federer.Lol, in 2015 we had a top-10 that couldn't even beat a 34 years old Federer...
Lol, in 2015 we had a top-10 that couldn't even beat a 34 years old Federer...
2004 had a top 10 who couldn't take one win off of Federer. His only losses came from the old guard and newer players. None of his peers could beat him but it was stronger? Lol ok.
5 of them to Djokovic? Lol, that's the point. 2015 was extremely one sided.Except the 6 times he did lose.
Rate Djokovic slam final competition in 2015 out of 10.5 of them to Djokovic? Lol, that's the point. 2015 was extremely one sided.
Federer couldn't challenge Djokovic. (except for small tournaments and one good performance in Cincinnati)
Murray couldn't do anything against Djokovic and Federer.
The rest of the top-10 players (like Berdych, Nishikori, Cilic, Ferrer...) couldn't do anything against Djokovic, Federer and Murray.
The rest of the players couldn't even challenge the previous group.
Only Wawrinka managed to peak for RG and win it, for the rest of the year even he wasn't relevant. So your argument works even better against 2015. I mean, Karlovic did much better against Djokovic than most top-10 players.
obviously 2004 was stronger.
Oh, just because fed played too well and sharp enough (raising his level as required) vs top 10 in 2004, its his fault?
2004 AO nalby
2004 AO hewitt
2004 IW Agassi
2004 Hamburg Coria
2004 Wim hewitt
2004 Wim Roddick
2004 USO Agassi
2004 YEC Moya
2004 YEC Safin
all played well AND made it competitive.
this is not even taking cases like Hewitt YEC 04 final who did nothing wrong really and fed was just too good
Safin reached the Halle final, WOW, THAT CONSISTENCY. Definitely sounds like a regular 2004-07 Fed opponent. Good for one tournament, then MIA for the next hundred and one. LOL. Agassi was having chronic back injury since the early 2000. He was recieving cortisone injections on a regular monthly basis. His condition was getting worse with every passing year. The 2003 AO was his swan song, after that tournament he was basically done. Clay boy Nadal in 2005, winning 134 tournaments on clay, useless Hewitt and Roddick come on. Those years were a complete wasteland.Actually Safin was in Halle 05 final.
Agassi didn't have back issues in 04. Only in 05.
19 yo old 2005 Nadal - he sweeps the floor 100 times over with 2015 Nadal and then clubs you on the head in the hopes that will help repair some of the derangement.
If Roddick, Hewitt, lol then Wawrinka, Murray and even 15 Fed lol.
What is your point of rating everything out of 10?Rate Djokovic slam final competition in 2015 out of 10.
It helps me with my threads.What is your point of rating everything out of 10?
Lol, in 2015 we had a top-10 that couldn't even beat a 34 years old Federer...
Except the 6 times he did lose.
5 of them to Djokovic? Lol, that's the point. 2015 was extremely one sided.
Federer couldn't challenge Djokovic. (except for small tournaments and one great performance in Cincinnati)
Murray couldn't do anything against Djokovic and Federer.
The rest of the top-10 players (like Berdych, Nishikori, Cilic, Ferrer...) couldn't do anything against Djokovic, Federer and Murray.
The rest of the players couldn't even challenge the previous group.
Only Wawrinka managed to peak for RG and win it, for the rest of the year even he wasn't too relevant. So your argument works even better against 2015. I mean, old Karlovic did much better against Djokovic than most top-10 players.
Who played better Soderling of the RG 10 QF or Stan of the RG 15 F?
Safin went completely MIA after January 2005. Sciatica immovable object Agassi!? Clay boy 15 y/o Nadal!? Really... Roddick, Hewitt and Nalbandian. LOL
Yes Federer is a god among mortals who did what even Laver 1969, McEnroe 1984 and Djokovic 2015 couldn't do: go undefeated against the top 10 for the whole year.
Are you hearing yourself what are you talking? Nalbandian, Roddick, sciatica immovable Agassi all better than Federer? LOLAlso @NoleFam :
Roddick Wim 04 final, Agassi USO 04 QF and Nalby AO 04 QF all better performances by top 10 in 04 in slams compared to whom Djoko beat in slams in 15.
only one up there with Roddick Wim 04 final & Agassi USO 04 QF was Stan RG 15 final and he actually beat Djokovic.
AO 15 SF stan was below par, only Djokovic was slightly less worse. Murray collapsed after playing well for 2 sets and half. Worse than the worst among the 3 - Nalby AO 04 QF
Murray of RG 15 semi - played well for 2 sets and took them both vs djokovic whose level dipped. But not so much in the other 3. worse than Nalby AO 04 QF
Fed of Wim 15 final - played well for 2 sets and a bit. Intensity gone after that. Return to the bin after getting broken in the 3rd set. worse than Nalby of AO 04 QF overall.
Fed of USO 15 final - played well in set2, choked away set 3, lot of BP chances. couldn't capitalise on djokovic's fall in the 1st set. again worse than Nalby of AO 04 QF overall.
Safin reached the Halle final, WOW, THAT CONSISTENCY. Definitely sounds like a regular 2004-07 Fed opponent. Good for one tournament, then MIA for the next hundred and one. LOL. Agassi was having chronic back injury since the early 2000. He was recieving cortisone injections on a regular monthly basis. His condition was getting worse with every passing year. The 2003 AO was his swan song, after that tournament he was basically done. Clay boy Nadal in 2005, winning 134 tournaments on clay, useless Hewitt and Roddick come on. Those years were a complete wasteland.
Are you hearing yourself what are you talking? Nalbandian, Roddick, sciatica immovable Agassi all better than Federer? LOL
Certainly overhyping them and underating 2015 Fed but you as good as called 2015 Nadal better than 2005-06 Nadal earlier which is worseAre you hearing yourself what are you talking? Nalbandian, Roddick, sciatica immovable Agassi all better than Federer? LOL
Certainly overhyping them and underating 2015 Fed but you as good as called 2015 Nadal better than 2005-06 Nadal earlier which is worse
You certainly were/are in my view.no overhyping/under-rating.
watch the fed-nalby AO 04 match, if you haven't.
Which one of those whom Djokovic beat in slams in 2015 is equal to Roddick Wim 04 final/Agassi of USO 04 QF?
You certainly were/are in my view.
NoleFam never mentioned who was better out those oppenents IIRC.
I dont want to get in to a better or worse disscusion.I am asking you to mention who was better.
and how that is over-rating of 04/under-rating of 15.
Safin went completely MIA after January 2005. Sciatica immovable object Agassi!? Clay boy 15 y/o Nadal!? Really... Roddick, Hewitt and Nalbandian. LOL
I dont want to get in to a better or worse disscusion.
I still stand by what i said.
That breakdown was heavily based on your opinion and by reading it you would think 15 Fed was bad.of course - since you can't think of what exactly I was over-rating about 04/under-rating about 15 and don't want to admit you were wrong.
That breakdown was heavily based on your opinion and by reading it you would think 15 Fed was bad.
Your breakdown made it look that way even if you dont think it.in those specific finals - Wim 15 final and USO 15 final, Fed was worse than Nalby of AO 04 QF (&obviously Roddick of Wim 04 final&Agassi of USO 04 QF)
doesn't mean fed was bad in those finals.
19 y/o Nadal playing 134 clay tournaments you mean. LOL If they've organized clay tournament on the Moon, he would have played that one in 2005 as well. Clay boy Nadal winning two Masters outside clay is another proof for the weak era in 2005. Who has he beat for those titles, again!? Sciatica Agassi and effing Ljubicic. LOL He was so good that if not for the regular chokejob by the second biggest choker in the history of tennis, he would have lost that match easily in 3 sets in front of 10k loud and crazy Madrilenos. Also that was his first and only indoor title in his whole career. Ding, ding.. A weak era...Like I said 19 yo old 2005 Nadal - he sweeps the floor 100 times over with 2015 Nadal and then clubs you on the head in the hopes that will help repair some of the derangement.
Nadal won 2 HC masters in 05 and was in the final of a 3rd. ROTFL.
Agassi on HC in 2004 > nadal on HC in 2011 for instance.
Agassi-Safin had a titanic high level 5-set encounter in AO 04 and agassi obviously pretty well vs fed in USO 04
if Roddick, Hewitt are useless, then so are Murray and Wawrinka.
more than utter wasteland of 2015.
those respective performances better than that of 2015 fed in Wim 15/USO 15 finals, hell yeah. Actually watch the matches.
but then derangedango doesn't know much, does he?
Your breakdown made it look that way.
Are you hearing yourself what are you talking? Nalbandian, Roddick, sciatica immovable Agassi all better than Federer? LOL
The guy won 20 slams and lots of other big titles. If he won nothing except Cincinnati (and lots of small tournaments) in 2015 then it probably wasn't anything close to his best season, don't you think?2015 Federer is underrated by his fans. They shouldn't sh1t on their man like that.
2015 Federer is underrated by his fans. They shouldn't sh1t on their man like that.
By making a case shifted a lot attention away from 2015 Federer which is why i said in my view you underated him.I had to make the case why those matches from fed were worse than Nalby's perf. in AO 04 QF. I did.
If you want it in terms of numbers, Fed in those 2 finals is b/w 7 and 7.5.
Nalby's in AO 04 QF is an 8.
Roddick's in Wim 04 final & Agassi's in USO 04 QF above 8 obviously.
By making a case shifted a lot attention away from 2015 Federer which is why i said in my view you underated him.
IMO Fed of Wim 15/USO 15 finals was a 8/10.
My comment was not a issue with you saying 04 was stronger than 15 which is fine. I did see NoleFam say he felt 2015 was a better year but that was in response to a joke post of mine.talk was about field in 04 vs 15 (top 10 more so). not just fed 15.
Your rating for Wim 15/USO 15 final fed is like 0.5 to 1 more points than mine. Still worse than Roddick of Wim 04 final and Agassi of USO 04 QF , right?
So I guess Fed should have lost more like Djokovic to make his competition seem stronger.2004 had a top 10 who couldn't take one win off of Federer. His only losses came from the old guard and newer players. None of his peers could beat him but it was stronger? Lol ok.