There is a lot of that here-LOL!
Villain
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Google “Djokovic 2015” killer.
There have been so many in the last week alone I’ve lost count.
Third Serve
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Beckerserve
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Such as?
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2015 is 6 years ago so not really hugely indicative is it. Therefore my point stands.
It is frankly arrogance in todays society as a whole when people cannot acknowledge someone else is in fact right. It is a shame.
For the avoidance of doubt the position is this. If Djokovic has been unable to have a 3 slam year since 2015 he is definitely not doing it now.
Beckerserve
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It is too long ago to be relevant for me. I tend to only look back at form guides over a 12 month period when projecting forward and even 12 months is unreliable really.
Villain
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Hahaha, classic.
Slowtwitcher
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"... GPPD..."?????
Anything is possible. Federer had not won a slam in 5 years yet in 17, at 36, he won two and another AO the following year. At 39 he reached another Wimbledon final, which he nearly won. IF Novak can stay healthy and has the desire, he could do as well past 33. Today's past 30 in tennis is not the same as it was 20 or more years ago.
Sudacafan
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Yes, I think this is a tennis forum.
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Deleted member 744633
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I do write some things that are controversial so don't hesitate to scold me if you have to
But thank you for the gracious reply, Eren 
zagor
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When two ATGs are facing off, age matters. Of course I'm gonna take it into account.
TheAssassin
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So you remembered and cared enough to bring up his 3 Slam season in 2011, yet 2015 was too long ago for you to remember and consider relevant?
Jeez...
Beckerserve
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How does 2015 become relevant for a projection forward?
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PETEhammer
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Someone's sour that the clock is running out
TheAssassin
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It doesn't. But it's even less so with 2011. The whole point is you saying 2011 was Djokovic's only 3 Slam season. Unless you're a casual, it's a very odd mistake to say the least.
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PETEhammer
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I mean Fed got hammered by Nadal and Berdie and Stahkovksy and Tsonga (from up 2 set to love) so...Better to get hammered in straight sets in the middle of your peak then lose finals to a younger ATG years after the age PETE retired
Beckerserve
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I dont follow Djokovic that closely as to date he has never been a threat to Slam record. It has always been can Nadal get to federer so i concentrate more on their careers. The days of me as a Nadal fan worrying unduly about Djokovic are a decade past. 2011 he was a problem. Past 4 years or so i think nadal is 4-3 h2h v Djokovic, one of those losses at an insignificant team event and the other in a 5 setter on indoor grass.
NatF
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I mean Fed got hammered by Nadal and Berdie and Stahkovksy and Tsonga (from up 2 set to love) so...
By that token I guess Federer hammered Sampras in 01
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PETEhammer
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People who hammered Pete: Richard (grass specialist, year Pete's coach passed), Fed (worst year of Pete's career, Fed would go on to be a prodigy), Bastl (worse year long stretch of Pete's career)By that token I guess Federer hammered Sampras in 01
People who hammered Fed: Nadal (claycourt specialist), Berdych (lol), Tsonga (from up 2 sets to love, career pidgeon), Stahkovsky (who?)
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Wasn't 2015 one of the most dominant seasons? The true tennis fan should know what Djokovic did in 2015.
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PETEhammer
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It slipped his mind, give him a break.
Karma Tennis
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The fact that guys like Roddick and young Nadal could make Wimbledon Finals and play off against Federer on the other side of the Draw clearly indicates that the competition on Grass in the early 2000s (once Sampras left the scene) was pretty poor. The fact that Nadal was able to beat Federer in a Wimbledon Final also speaks volumes about where Federer is placed in the overall pantheon of Wimbledon Champions.
Laver, Borg and Sampras had signficant competition in Wimbledon Finals and were still able to excel there over a long period. Federer, not so much.
Laver, Borg and Sampras had signficant competition in Wimbledon Finals and were still able to excel there over a long period. Federer, not so much.
Karma Tennis
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On that basis, Laver is clearly the GOAT ... followed by Borg.
zagor
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In Novak's era AO is roughly on par with other slams so no they're not. 9 titles is a significant gap over 7 when we go into territory of most dominant players at a specific slam.
zagor
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Fed won 5 titles in a row, so did Borg. What is Pete's excuse here?
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PETEhammer
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The AO is nowhere near "roughly on par" with Wimbledon even in this homogenized era of tennis. Take a look at Novak's own reaction to winning Wimbledon v Australia for yourself
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PETEhammer
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Pete won 3, then 4. Fed won 5, then never had another streak again. Pete won 7 of 8, Fed won 7 of 10. Pete was 7 for 7 in his first 7 finals, Fed was 6/7 in his first 7 finals.
What are Fed's excuses? That he was up against the greatest claycourter of all time on grass? Please.
zagor
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We're gonna measure reactions now? Never seen Fed cry at Wimbledon, win or lose, he did in AO on both such occasions.
Players treat AO as one of the slams in this era, just the way it is. It wasn't the case in the 90s and especially before but some things change.
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PETEhammer
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Then you need to watch his reaction to winning Wimbledon for the first time in 2003.
zagor
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5 in a row is 5 in a row. Pete was supposedly so much more dominant than Fed yet couldn't do it.
And Pete's greatest competition at Wimbledon was headcase Goran. Yeah, I do think "claycourter" Nadal measures up well on modern grass.
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PETEhammer
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So no answer? That's what I thought
As opposed to what, pidgeon boy Roddick? And no, if Brown and Kyrgios could take Rafa, Goran would every day and twice on Sunday. Just because Fed failed doesn't mean Goran would.
zagor
Bionic Poster
No answer about what? Much more dominant Wimbledon champion Pete couldn't manage 5 in a row. Got stomped in straights by a one slam wonder and then when he had another shot he got outclassed at his own game by baby Fed.
Even claycourt specialist Borg was able to do it, yet mighty Pete couldn't? Ccc.
Roddick and Goran are very much comparable on grass, yes.
As for Brown and Kyrgios and the rest of the journeymen brigade, they beat Nadal in 1st week when modern grass is still somewhat fast and low bouncing. Fed stomps Nadal when the ball stays low too.
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PETEhammer
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Federer couldn't be undefeated in his pet slam finals? Even counterpuncher Novak managed that. Federer couldn't put on more than one multi-year streak together at his pet slam? Even counterpuncher Nole managed that.
Roddick and Goran are comparable in your dreams. Goran has a Wimbledon title. He got his the minute his master flamed out. Roddick couldn't manage that the year his Master was taken out. Goran's serve AND return were deadlier than Roddick's, whose return was a joke. A feed.
And no, prior to 2017, Federer was Nadal's pigeon everywhere and VERY lucky Rosol took him out in 2012, but then Fed tends to get lucky with others doing his work for him when he can't get it done (Soderling, Rosol)
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