swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Fed should have won wimbledon his 1st or 2nd year on tour and every year after.
Exactly 10 years ago Federer was publicly struggling to accept Djokovic defeat. How do you see it now?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He should have won in 2002 with that weak field tbh.
Not saltier than all injury excuses from djoker when he lost or quit midway when he was being outplayed by his distant rivals.
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Deleted member 771911
Guest
I don't know why we look to the players to praise each other, etc.
They are professional competitors.
It is the job of the media and role of fans and spectators to give the plaudits.
They are professional competitors.
It is the job of the media and role of fans and spectators to give the plaudits.
Sunny014
Legend
Yes... Federer actually turned 25 before 06 wimbledon, so thats 5 after 25, 06 07 09 12 17
but what I meant was nadal turned 25 in 2011 and since then nadal 0 while fed 2 and also made 3 more finals, nadal is nowhere in picture on grass
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
The thing about him was that he was so damn shady but he would say it in the most nonchalant way like it was 2nd nature to him.
This is how you know everybody liked him because they gave him a pass for stuff like this.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
He turned 25 after 2006 Wimbledon and was still 25 at 2007 Wimbledon. You said after 25 though.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
True.
Should have taken out old man Pete in 2000 as well.
He was damn true about Andy...after 10 years in 2017 before that hip injury still murray won only 3 slams.
I have seen even worst from djoker where he always brings an injury excuse when he gets beaten badly.
Most recent example in 2019 USO 4th round
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
Are you implying there is massive pretzel logic circle jerking and hypocrisy in these "discussions"?
Shocking!
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Maybe not quite ready for Pete in 2000 but he let a big opportunity slip in 2001 after defeating Pete.
Sunny014
Legend
Ohhk ...
I meant after Nadal turning 25 because 2011 is Nadal's birthday number 25, so I know that.
What makes me laugh is that some Federer detractors who never played Pro tennis in their life are lecturing about how one should react in press.
It is his best attitude on and off court has earned him global adulation and the status of crowd favourite whereever he goes against any opponent.
May be the 2 cent trolls must see press conference of their idols after losing a tough 5 set match.
We saw how djoker reacted after this olympics where he was at the same status as Federer was 10 years ago in USO.
It is his best attitude on and off court has earned him global adulation and the status of crowd favourite whereever he goes against any opponent.
May be the 2 cent trolls must see press conference of their idols after losing a tough 5 set match.
We saw how djoker reacted after this olympics where he was at the same status as Federer was 10 years ago in USO.
swordtennis
G.O.A.T.
An unforgivable loss.
upchuck
Hall of Fame
Another reason this was so bad is Djokovic didn't win the match when he hit that shot. He still had to break Federer's serve, still had to hold serve and still had to break Federer again to get the victory. This was a key point, but there were many other important points that Djokovic earned to secure this victory and Federer ungraciously ignored this.
A good example of why there has been such tension between supporters of the two, and perhaps the two men themselves, over the years.
A good example of why there has been such tension between supporters of the two, and perhaps the two men themselves, over the years.
GameSetDjokovic
Semi-Pro
It is almost like he was saying "How dare he not lose when I have the match point...". Perhaps he was expecting Novak just to roll over and call it a match. Who knows.
The Fedfather
Legend
Roger was most definitely angry and bitter in that presser and comments "analysis" reflected that. He lasered in on Djokovic hitting a very risky return because for Federer it was the turning point. Wasn't quite ready to accept that the blame was very much on him for losing the plot just because he didn't expect a winner like that and the crowd's reaction to it, maybe.
Spencer Gore
Legend
What does having played pro tennis got to do with having an opinion on a player's behaviour off the court?
Humility in victory and graciousness in defeat are human values. Everyone has had to face challenges in life. Behaving in a decent manner is unrelated to tennis.
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Deleted member 629564
Guest
Maybe USO 2007 final?
Djokovic vs Federer, 1st set
Djokovic was *6-5 40-0 up
wasted five SPs on his own serve
Federer won it 7-6(4)
from 32:30 in this video:
1st SP (at 40-0) - amazing FH into the line from Federer (32:57)
2st SP (at 40-15) - BH UE from Djokovic
3rd SP (at 40-30) - another BH UE from Djokovic
4th SP (at A-40) - FH UE from Djokovic
5th SP (at A-40) - great FH return into the corner from Federer (36:37)
Tennisfan339
Professional
Agree or disagree with Federer's analysis, that 40-15 return certainly had a huge percentage of luck. A lot of talent but also a lot of luck. Even Djokovic himself admitted it in his post match interview. He closed his eyes, hit this return as hard as he could and knew it was pretty much 50/50. Either it's out and he loses or it's in and he still has a chance to come back. It was like gambling and he won.
Ok Federer sounds salty in this press conference but everyone would be completely shattered after such a nightmarish ending. I cant judge him for that.
10 years later we can only conclude this match was Another big turning point for the Big3 and their career. If Federer beats Djokovic, Nadal's chances to win USO2011 increases a lot, so do his chances to win AO2012. The slam race may be 23/21/16 instead of 20/20/20.
Ok Federer sounds salty in this press conference but everyone would be completely shattered after such a nightmarish ending. I cant judge him for that.
10 years later we can only conclude this match was Another big turning point for the Big3 and their career. If Federer beats Djokovic, Nadal's chances to win USO2011 increases a lot, so do his chances to win AO2012. The slam race may be 23/21/16 instead of 20/20/20.
GameSetDjokovic
Semi-Pro
I totally agree, we tend to forget sometimes that they are human too. If that were me the first words out of my mouth at that presser would be "what the f*ck just happened"
wang07
Semi-Pro
On Federer's terms this interview is a massive outlier, on a broader scale, nothing outrageous. Things way worse have been said before and since, and even most of those cases are passable "in the heat of the moment". Even as a fan of Fed's it was agonizing to see that he had the game to beat Djoker at his ridiculous peak 2 times at a Slam that year, but somehow collapsed mentally and couldn't get past the finish line. Put yourself in his position and you'll realize this interview could have been way uglier than it actually came to be.
Fiero425
Legend
The same was said of Sampras, but it took him a while to get on track in '93; with a stumble to a rival who took him out in '96 to Krajicek! Should have won 8 in a row!
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
@FiReFTW
I can:
1. 2005 Miami-- Rafa up two sets to love and a break in the third, ends up getting a breadstick in the fifth set
2. 2017 AO- Rafa up a break in the fifth set and 30-15 on his serve, only to lose the set 3-6 and losing the final 5 games of the match
However, against Djokovic, there are no such matches.
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daddy
Legend
Being a multi slam winner, world #1 and a double olympic gold medalist is a success in my book, I don't know how much have you achieved in your profession but I would love to be #1 in the world at something. So only three were enough for him to become Sir Andy Murray while the likes of you can only dream of anything such. Anyways, having Roger, Rafa and Novak as competition cost a whole bunch of players a lot, Andy made use of his time and chances and he racked up no less then 11 ( eleven ) wins over Roger who criticized him. It's not like Roger had a 17-0 Vitas Gerulaitis situation which put him in position to boss someone around.
daddy
Legend
It's not my job to do your homework mate, dig around, search the web, read articles, learn, you'll find out these two ( three ) occasions are just a few of many.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Unfortunately Fraud couldn't predict the weather 4 years in advance, Delpotro making everyone tired, Drunkovic, and Raomug.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Does 2016 Tsonga win Wimbledon in 2021? That's the big question here.
daddy
Legend
this is interesting read from 2012
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FEDERER AND DJOKOVIC
Having emerged from the triumvirate of the big 3 as the ultimate contenders for the year end #1 ranking (with all due respect to Andy Murray...tennis-column.blogspot.com
Good read, thanks. Singles out everything which happened back then which many on here were not old enough to witness.
metsman
G.O.A.T.
Definitely way better than Berr, but 2016 Tsonga probably not inspired enough to beat Joe anyways. Already was halfway out the door anyways, not sure he still had it in him to buckle down and win a big B05 match.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Was being a bit facetious, he played well from behind but don't he could outlast Djokovic or had the mental strength to finish him. Better Berr though agreed.
from https://bleacherreport.com/articles/413685-federer-piles-on-the-excuses-after-wimbledon-loss
Right before Fed became a sacred cow.
Fiero425
Legend
Djokovic has only made his job harder by dropping a set or 2 late in a match like AO 2012 and USO 2011 Finals!
Yes, rafa at his peak in RG can make Roger and Nole look like top 100 mugs.
11 wins and only 1 in slam.....Federers post 35 has 3 slams which is equivalent to Andys number in whole career. Had Andy been more agressive at big points those number could have been above 5.
I hope you too never achieved anything signifocant in your life except finding out loopholes in a 20 slam champ. Iam not surprised cos you are not alone who does that here on TTW.
Ohh Iam witnessing your gracious troll posts about Federer since ages. It doesn't suits you to give a lecture on humility and graciousness.
Behaving in a decent manner..
you mean abusing the crowd using slangs throwing rackets...
shouting at ball girls/boys.
After all quitting when he down by using an nonexistant injury.
Taking long toilet breaks and unwarranted MTOs to disrupt the rythm of opponents
I mean roger can't do that. Already a familar face is master at that
Spencer Gore
Legend
Boom.
joekapa
Legend
Nope. Djoko 1st (already), Rafa 2nd, Fed 3rd.
H2H, and the fact that he never beat either on their favorite surfaces/courts matter.
RG 2021 made Novak the undisputed GOAT.
The bad thing, for Rafa, is that he allowed this whole "Fedal" thing to get out of hand, and invthe brains of tennis fans is mentioned always in the same sentence with Federer.....
All the while Djokovic was gunning for him.
Rafa should of been standing on top of his own mountain, in terms of legacy.
Fed's publicists were masterminds. They understood the that "You keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"......
Poor Rafa.
Sunny014
Legend
Rafa could never have marketed himself without leaching onto Federer.
Being the alpha always means being favorite in 2 or 3 out of 4 slams, something which which Rafa never was.
Rafa despite his good run could never defend any title outside clay. That is why even in the year 2010 Federer was sitting on the throne of Tennis because who ws the fav to win wimbledon ? it was Roger .... who was the fav to win USO? it was still Federer.... who was the fav to win AO ? ... It was still Federer .... So Federer after the 2010AO was still the fav in 3 out of 4 slams and this never stopped, even at the time of FO2009 if you would as who was the favorite outside clay then this would be the answer.
This changed for the first time in 2010 when Federer in collapsed in 3 straight slams and Rafa won all 3.
Tennis world now needed a new fav to win year round, it was not Rafa who stepped up, the year 2011 should have seen Rafa defend all slams and he would have dethroned Federer to that alpha status but Novak arrived and spanked Rafa hard, then Novak took the top spot and held it for some years, established his dominance slowly and slowly, had some rough years afgter 2011 but established it firmly from 2014 wimbledon onwards.
So Rafa never could market himself independently without Federer because Fed's successor Novak arrived in 2011 with the dominance required to dominance the next decade in tennis.
joekapa
Legend
Federer saw that he had no rivals, until Nadal showed up....And people knew this. They were talking about a weak era, even back then.
He needed a rival....like all tennis legends have had.
They marketed it as Fedal.....And it worked.....until Djokovic showed up.
And unfortunately Nadal fell for it hook line and sinker. His real rival was ALWAYS Novak....And that's where he should of concentrated on. He did obviously.....But it's now too late.
But Federer plays third fiddle in this era....make no mistake...
daddy
Legend
First of all, I wasn't comparing them or questioning if Federer was a better player ( he obviously is ), nor was I denying him his ATG status, so much about that. As for the 2nd part of your reply which is directed to myself, I stand by what I wrote before which provoked you to do a ad hominem - you should be more appreciative about Andy's achievements. We can go back and forth about this but you know you have never done anything remotely close in any area to what he did in tennis, 99.9% of people never did.
Sunny014
Legend
Why will Federer need a rival ???
He actually downplayed these sort of rivalries until Nadal actual became a pain in the buttocks.
Nadal was the parasite who needed Fedal rivalry more than Federer.
Plus who told you he did not focus on Novak? He focused a lot and got spanked black and blue by Novak in 2011.
Novak has been downplayed by the media and Fedal has been in news, Nadal benefitted from this instead of Federer
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Part of why I never became a Federer fan even though I loved his tennis style and watching him play is the arrogance he exhibited in interviews when talking about other players or his own level during his peak years before 2010. I think Federer should be thankful for Djokovic appearing in his life as he has made Federer a better man and human being by beating all the arrogance out of him over the years thereby making him a much more gracious loser. He will be a better role model for his kids as a result as otherwise his parenting might have brought up a bunch of arrogant, spoilt brats. He seems to be a nicer person in the last decade and maybe being a father has mellowed him out also.
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ForehandRF
Legend
If anything, Fed has changed as a person because he got older and consecuently more mature, it's normal
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