Nadal's indoors ATG position
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Nadal_Django
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Haha, how much time do you have?
Yeah literally millions of people. The difference between his outdoor and indoor is the biggest I’ve seen in tennis history. He literally only has 1 title indoor. Nadals problem is he is better with the conditions that outdoor experience and indoor is all HC which doesn’t benefit him
itrium84
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Ok, from 2000s era only?
Hitman
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Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
He has the only indoor grandslam final, I think that counts for something.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
ffw2
Hall of Fame
Feel as if there's a lesson in here somewhere for tennis youngsters.
When ya trick... ya get rewarded by the Tour with treats!!!!!
itrium84
Hall of Fame
You genuinely can't name one overall ATG behind Rafa indoors?
itrium84
Hall of Fame
What are Wilander's greatest achievements indoors? Yeah, I'm too lazy to research myself.
Yes - there's extraordinary disparity between his clay and indoors ATG status.
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Not many
ffw2
Hall of Fame
Passive observer on Twitter, myself (account just for tennis info).
But I got to thinking about the stuff re Koenig.
Seems as if even having a presence on there could be professionally damaging.
Like how crazy is it that his name gets attached to the ravings of some lunatics on there?
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Wilander has a couple of titles indoors but not many, think a few in Belgium, beat McEnroe there.
He probably is the closest to Nadal though of anyone who won at least 6 slams. Everyone else ranks above Nadal indoors. But there are plenty of players that are not ATG that are ahead overall to him, like Nalbandian, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Davydenko, Murray, Kuerten, Courier, Ivanisevic
Mainad
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Actually he has two: 2005 Madrid (hardcourt) and 2013 Sao Paulo (clay).
Rosstour
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Fedr
I seriously was sitting there thinking it was either 1 or 2 and just decided it was 1, should of googled. Thanks
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Deleted member 771911
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They play indoors?
itrium84
Hall of Fame
Yeah, Wilander has 3 indoors titles, beating McEnroe (indoors GOAT) on the way. It's like beating Rafa on clay - this should place Mats above Nadal indoors.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
He should have beat Fed in 2010 at that WTF. Blew that one. If he would have won that that would have been one of the greatest seasons ever
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Not to pile on but it's worth pointing out not just the lack of titles indoors, but lack of finals.
He only has 1 Paris final (where he got bageled by Nalbandian). But at least his 2 YEC finals were more respectable losses to Federer & Djokovic.
He only has 1 Paris final (where he got bageled by Nalbandian). But at least his 2 YEC finals were more respectable losses to Federer & Djokovic.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Not the only one
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
The 2012 men's Wimbledon final had the roof closed in the third set... Fed has an indoor slam too.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Wilander's career is strange in some ways. Only won 9 hardcourt titles yet 20 clay court titles, but did something Lendl, Sampras and Agassi never did: won AO and USO on hardcourt in the same year. Could never win Wimbledon but won 4 Cincys. Dominated 1988 and burned out, and never won another Slam. Never won the Masters/WTF/ATP Finals. You're right though, that Nadal is the most similar to him out of all the ATGs by the breakdown of their titles. They both even won multiple Slams on all 3 surfaces, yet neither were great indoors and neither won the year end title.
MeatTornado
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beard
Legend
Are there any, the question is...
beard
Legend
Most vertisale player... Ever... Lol...
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
he was pretty clearly outplayed in that one man
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Man I was trolling with Wilander you guys really are piling on Nadal lol. He at least owns wins over Djokovic and Federer indoors, I’m not sure Wilander ever beat Becker or Lendl etc. actually I’m certain he never beat Lendl indoors.
Put it this way - if the indoor tournament was held in April or September Nadal would be competitive. I think it is much more of a schedule timing issue than it is just a surface issue.
Nadal is a February (at best) to September player. He has never, even in his best years, been a top player from October-January. It just has never happened even in his peak and when he was in his best form. He’s from Manacor where the lowest temperature year round is like 60 degrees F lol. It makes sense.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
Mats did beat McEnroe, indoors GOAT. It's like beating Rafa on clay, really hard.
spottishwood
Hall of Fame
He did well in WTF'11, no?
spottishwood
Hall of Fame
Oh yeah. How can we forget this one.
Spencer Gore
Legend
Indoor is to Nadal as the US Open was to Borg. It's his kryptonite. He's never been able to get to grips with it, at all.
Look at his record against Federer, for example. For the first 14 years of their matches (until AO 2017) Federer won only 5 times in 27 outdoor meetings, but won 5 out of 6 indoors. That is an incredible disparity.
So Nadal was leading Federer 22-5 outdoors during their peak years but trailing 1-5 indoors. It boggles the mind.
Look at his record against Federer, for example. For the first 14 years of their matches (until AO 2017) Federer won only 5 times in 27 outdoor meetings, but won 5 out of 6 indoors. That is an incredible disparity.
So Nadal was leading Federer 22-5 outdoors during their peak years but trailing 1-5 indoors. It boggles the mind.
Fed being 5-1 really sums up Nadal when indoor. He has 1 win in 6 against a player he matchups with great and held over
Gary Duane
G.O.A.T.
Listing an indoors win on clay sort of goes against the spirit of this thread, since Nadal could win clay on any surface, anywhere.
How did he blew that one? Federer was in quite some form in the WTF that year.
Madinolf
Rookie
Why is your name Nadal_Django? LOL
RS
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He used to play being a Nadal fan until 2020.
El_Yotamo
Hall of Fame
I mean, not to take anything away since it seems the OP is being genuine and not trolling, but this is sort of beating a dead horse. Yeah Nadal has been unsuccessful on indoor HC. Is it because of the surface itself (plus conditions), the timing in terms of the season, a mix of both? Probably a mix. Either way, I don't think any Nadal fan thinks their idol is an ATG on indoor hard, and if they do they're definitely in the minority there. For what it's worth he has shown a high level there a couple times albeit very sporadically but again the results aren't there for him. Case more or less closed, I think
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ForehandRF
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Yep, he had some good runs in 2006, 2007, 2010 and 2013.In 2006-2007 courts were even faster and he still reached the SF.I mean, not to take anything away since it seems the OP is being genuine and not trolling, but this is sort of beating a dead horse. Yeah Nadal has been unsuccessful on indoor HC. Is it because of the surface itself (plus conditions), the timing in terms of the season, a mix of both? Probably a mix. Either way, I don't think any Nadal fan thinks their idol is an ATG on indoor hard, and if they do they're definitely in the minority there. For what it's worth he has shown a high level there a couple times albeit very sporadically but again the results aren't there for him. Case more or less closed, I think
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NatF
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Roddick kinda sucked indoors lol, rest of the list is pretty fair.
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