Full multi at 45 was too low.

FiddlerDog

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Gut/Multi at 55 was very harsh, but it did last about 7 sessions before losing tension (with string savers to protect the gut)
I had to cut out the strings after 7 sessions, too loose, and balls started going into the net.

Decided to try full multi at 45
Strings were already sliding and moving on day one, and the ball was going into the net.
45 is too low. Cut them out after the first day.

I am going to jump it up to full multi at 50 and see how that goes.
Maybe full multi at 50 will eventually lock the string bed, unlike gut/multi.
 
gold325

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FiddlerDog said:
Gut/Multi at 55 was very harsh, but it did last about 7 sessions before losing tension (with string savers to protect the gut)
I had to cut out the strings after 7 sessions, too loose, and balls started going into the net.

Decided to try full multi at 45
Strings were already sliding and moving on day one, and the ball was going into the net.
45 is too low. Cut them out after the first day.

I am going to jump it up to full multi at 50 and see how that goes.
Maybe full multi at 50 will eventually lock the string bed, unlike gut/multi.
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Which Racket? Which Multi? What Gauge?
 
Dartagnan64

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FiddlerDog said:
Gut/Multi at 55 was very harsh,
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I don't believe you know what harsh is.

I also think you are wasting gut with these attempts. If you don't want string movement then poly crosses are the only way to achieve that with gut mains. Different tensions won't fix that problem. Well maybe running the tension aout 65lb in an 18x20 might fix the problem. But any modern 16x19 tweener racket is going to suffer from string movement with gut and/or multi strings. Too much friction.
 
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Dartagnan64 said:
I don't believe you know what harsh is.

I also think you are wasting gut with these attempts. If you don't want string movement then poly crosses are the only way to achieve that with gut mains. Different tensions won't fix that problem. Well maybe running the tension aout 65lb in an 18x20 might fix the problem. But any modern 16x19 tweener racket is going to suffer from string movement with gut and/or multi strings. Too much friction.
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Yes, gut is going to move unless you are stringing it 70 pounds.
 
FiddlerDog

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Dartagnan64 said:
I don't believe you know what harsh is.

I also think you are wasting gut with these attempts. If you don't want string movement then poly crosses are the only way to achieve that with gut mains. Different tensions won't fix that problem. Well maybe running the tension aout 65lb in an 18x20 might fix the problem. But any modern 16x19 tweener racket is going to suffer from string movement with gut and/or multi strings. Too much friction.
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It seems like whatever combo I try has a lifespan of 5-10 hours.
After that, strings start sliding around way too much.
I guess this is why competitive players use a fresh racket for every match, unless poly.

I do like full poly at 40
After 55 full multi, I will try gut/poly again and see how that plays. 55/40 ?
 
FiddlerDog

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Dartagnan64 said:
Low friction coatings only a have a short lifespan. Most of us learn to put up with string movement at that point as long as the frame remains useable. At rec levels, life is a compromise since no one is paying for my strings and stringing.
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I was able to extend lifespan with string savers, but the tension loss still makes the strings unplayable
and too many balls to into the net after that. Seems like you're stuck with 10 hours either which way. String break or loose strings.
 
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FiddlerDog said:
It seems like whatever combo I try has a lifespan of 5-10 hours.
After that, strings start sliding around way too much.
I guess this is why competitive players use a fresh racket for every match, unless poly.

I do like full poly at 40
After 55 full multi, I will try gut/poly again and see how that plays. 55/40 ?
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55/40?? You can probably get away with that amount of difference in tension, but it's not necessary. I do like that you're trying to protect your arm though. I would go 55/48, or something it that range with gut (15L)/poly.
 
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Steve Huff said:
55/40?? You can probably get away with that amount of difference in tension, but it's not necessary. I do like that you're trying to protect your arm though. I would go 55/48, or something it that range with gut (15L)/poly.
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I only suggested 55/40 since I can play perfectly fine w/ full poly at 40/40
But multi is too low at 45/45. I might try 50/50 multi.
55/55 gut/multi got loose after a 5-7 sessions but did not actually break due to string savers
 
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-full bed MLT at 60, felt pretty rough at first, dropped to about 54 and felt and played great. Got about 16 hours out of it. Lots of string adjusting..
-MLT mains, 56, Yonex ptp cross, 42, was showing 48 on the app, hated it... almost cut it out. Kept playing with it, dropped to about 38-40. Loved it. Mains exploded 3 or 4 at ones) at 12-14 hours.
-full poly now playing at 36, string at 42. (Alu power main, Yonex cross), like it a lot--but like the MLT/poly cross better.

Not sure what exactly to do myself. Loved the MLT/YPTP set up after about 1.5-2 hours, but really didn't like it until the tension dropped. Feel like I need to pay some high school kid to hit against the wall for an hour before I use it... Afraid to string it any lower though, and then hate it when the 30. What to do...
 
Notorious_Junkballer

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There are multis that don't move too much, at least when relatively fresh, and some even snap back a bit, like Head Velocity MLT. It has decent spin potential as well.
 
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RVT said:
-full bed MLT at 60, felt pretty rough at first, dropped to about 54 and felt and played great. Got about 16 hours out of it. Lots of string adjusting..
-MLT mains, 56, Yonex ptp cross, 42, was showing 48 on the app, hated it... almost cut it out. Kept playing with it, dropped to about 38-40. Loved it. Mains exploded 3 or 4 at ones) at 12-14 hours.
-full poly now playing at 36, string at 42. (Alu power main, Yonex cross), like it a lot--but like the MLT/poly cross better.

Not sure what exactly to do myself. Loved the MLT/YPTP set up after about 1.5-2 hours, but really didn't like it until the tension dropped. Feel like I need to pay some high school kid to hit against the wall for an hour before I use it... Afraid to string it any lower though, and then hate it when the 30. What to do...
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Do like Björn Borg use to do: Racket flat on the ground and then step on the strings (without shoes), works great.
 
gold325

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FiddlerDog said:
I'm already using Velocity MLT.
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Multis that didn't get stuck out of place that quickly are below. Thicker gauge also helps if you have decent power and spin. I did 52-54 lbs for low power player frames like Phantom 100... 58 lbs for higher power tweeners like Pure Drive

Tecnifibre RPX (my favorite)
Tecnifibre Triax
Tecnifibre Multifeel

All move way less than MLT. For me MLT doesn't move much for 1-1.5 hrs. After that it's all over the place.

I would say just stick with your 40 lbs Poly if you are able to do everything decently well with it.
 
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You need to string multis higher because they lose tension during the first few sessions. If you like tension at 50, string at 57. If you like it 45, string at 52. If you string with pre stretch, lower the tension by 3 lbs.
 
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Arak said:
You need to string multis higher because they lose tension during the first few sessions. If you like tension at 50, string at 57. If you like it 45, string at 52. If you string with pre stretch, lower the tension by 3 lbs.
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Good Idea. Maybe you can 3-4 lbs above your favorite so that feel / spin / power doesn't change drastically and you will be in the sweet range quicker. In my experience after the initial drop they stabilize for a few hours and then suddenly start dropping again. That's the "sweet range".
 
Happi

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RVT said:
-full bed MLT at 60, felt pretty rough at first, dropped to about 54 and felt and played great. Got about 16 hours out of it. Lots of string adjusting..
-MLT mains, 56, Yonex ptp cross, 42, was showing 48 on the app, hated it... almost cut it out. Kept playing with it, dropped to about 38-40. Loved it. Mains exploded 3 or 4 at ones) at 12-14 hours.
-full poly now playing at 36, string at 42. (Alu power main, Yonex cross), like it a lot--but like the MLT/poly cross better.

Not sure what exactly to do myself. Loved the MLT/YPTP set up after about 1.5-2 hours, but really didn't like it until the tension dropped. Feel like I need to pay some high school kid to hit against the wall for an hour before I use it... Afraid to string it any lower though, and then hate it when the 30. What to do...
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MLT ? Velocity MLT or Reflex MLT
 
Dartagnan64

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FiddlerDog said:
I was able to extend lifespan with string savers, but the tension loss still makes the strings unplayable
and too many balls to into the net after that. Seems like you're stuck with 10 hours either which way. String break or loose strings.
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So string at a higher tension. Tension loss is not a linear curve but parabolic. It's steepest at the beginning then flattens out. So to account for that early steep tension drop, string higher at the beginning. Then you get a more useable stringing for a longer time.
 
FiddlerDog

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Pumpkin said:
I've found a way of straightening my strings. I use the tips of my fingers.
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You don't get it. The adjusting is not the problem, it is a symptom.
Once a string is so loose that it needs adjustment, and there are gaping holes in the string bed, the ball goes right into the middle of the net on every shot.
 
FiddlerDog

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RVT said:
-full bed MLT at 60, felt pretty rough at first, dropped to about 54 and felt and played great. Got about 16 hours out of it. Lots of string adjusting..
-MLT mains, 56, Yonex ptp cross, 42, was showing 48 on the app, hated it... almost cut it out. Kept playing with it, dropped to about 38-40. Loved it. Mains exploded 3 or 4 at ones) at 12-14 hours.
-full poly now playing at 36, string at 42. (Alu power main, Yonex cross), like it a lot--but like the MLT/poly cross better.

Not sure what exactly to do myself. Loved the MLT/YPTP set up after about 1.5-2 hours, but really didn't like it until the tension dropped. Feel like I need to pay some high school kid to hit against the wall for an hour before I use it... Afraid to string it any lower though, and then hate it when the 30. What to do...
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What are you using to measure tension?
Tourna String Meter ? Are you using the string machine reading, or the device dial? They do not produce the same number.

So, you like gut/poly at 56/42 and liked it, eventually.
 
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Happi said:
MLT ? Velocity MLT or Reflex MLT
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Velocity. Works really well with the YPTP once tension is sorted. In FB, it really has to be be strung tight. I've never had any arm issues, so it's fine for me at the higher tensions, but probably won't work for most.
 
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FiddlerDog said:
What are you using to measure tension?
Tourna String Meter ? Are you using the string machine reading, or the device dial? They do not produce the same number.

So, you like gut/poly at 56/42 and liked it, eventually.
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strung tension is off of a calibrated Neos, no pre-stretching. I do overtension the tie-off strings about 4 lbs.

I use the Tennis Tension app and check it w/the tourna string meter as a reality check. The agreement is reasonable if you do all of the inputs on the TT app. While I know it's not perfectly accurate for absolute values, it does a great job of giving relative tension over the life of the string job.

Yeah, 55 or 56 main (gut or multi) 42 poly worked great once initial tension dropped a bit. I may try the "stepping on the racket" trick to speed up the tension loss and see how that works.
 
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Pumpkin

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FiddlerDog said:
You don't get it. The adjusting is not the problem, it is a symptom.
Once a string is so loose that it needs adjustment, and there are gaping holes in the string bed, the ball goes right into the middle of the net on every shot.
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Oh ok. I was being facetious. I use multifilament (technifibre NRG2) @; 57 or 58lbs.. I haven't experienced the problems you are reporting. 45 or 50 is a bit low for multi. Those ranges are more for poly. It depends on the racket head size and string pattern though. What are you using ?
 
AceyMan

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Dartagnan64 said:
But any modern 16x19 tweener racket is going to suffer
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This is why I prefer denser patterns. 100 in² 16x19 is too hard on string, in both the (a) movement and wear, and (b) the tensions required for the target bed DT.

With spinny polys that need to be cut out anyway before they break they're OK, but for beds with NG or quality multis they are a terrible fit.

/Acey
 
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Pumpkin

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AceyMan said:
This is why I prefer denser patterns. 100 in² 16x19 is too hard on string, in both the (a) movement and wear, and (b) the tensions required for the target bed DT.

With spinny polys that need to be cut out anyway before they break they're OK, but for beds with NG or quality multis they are a terrible fit.

/Acey
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See I haven't a problem I have 100 in Sq and 16/18 and not a string out of place but it is at 57 lbs. 45 too low.
 
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in 1990 I was playing with 85 'with 27kg full SG, with 90-93' went to 29kg, and since then by going to 100 ', it would have been necessary to play with 30kg, but poly arrived.

for me, full multi is possible at 25-26kg with 90 'rackets with 18 * 20 string pattern.
 
FiddlerDog

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I cut out the Velocity MLT at 45 and restrung Velocity MLT at 55.
I will give it a try this weekend.

I tried 40 Poly side by side with multi Velocity MLT 45.
The multi had a significant power drop compared to the poly.
With 40 Poly, I was hitting heavy hard balls.
With 45 multi, I felt like I was getting no power at all. Had to swing as hard as I could to get power, and even then, it was nowhere near the power of poly at 40.
 
FiddlerDog

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55 Multi was better than 45 multi.
Strings didn't move around and fewer balls in the net.

I still prefer poly at 40, way more power and pop.
 
FiddlerDog

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55 Multi has lasted much longer than 45.
Over a month later, the tension is mostly there.
This is the longest lasting string bed I've had in years.

Today, I am cutting them out for Gut/Poly at 47/45.
If that loses tension too quickly (under 10 hours) then I will try 55/45
 
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gold325

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FiddlerDog said:
Today, I am cutting them out for Gut/Poly at 47/45.
If that loses tension too quickly (under 10 hours) then I will try 55/45
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I assume Gut will be 16g mains and Poly willl be 17g round smooth poly in the crosses

Gut Poly I would recommend a higher tension. Mains in this hybrid will lose tension very very slowly but will be a rocket launcher from the beginning.

If you were "happy" with 55 multi performance then you need to go up with gut... Not down.

I would say 55/52 or 57/54 if you are playing with a control tweener. With a pure control racquet reduce 4-5 lbs on both directions. Will a power tweener add 4-5 lbs on both directions
 
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I played with the 47/44 gut/poly today.
Strings were tight enough to have minimal deflection adjustment, so accuracy was good.
But, I did feel like there was a lot of power, so I stuck with a 70% swing for the entire match.
Probably easier on the arm
 
FiddlerDog

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My 55/50 setup is still going strong.
Cyber Flash round is way easier on sawing the Poly than Cyclone 16 Tour
This is a game changer for me
 
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