Golden Retriever
Hall of Fame
Most wristy is Federer.
Most nonwristy is maybe Henman?
Most nonwristy is maybe Henman?
Who has the most wristy/nonwristy forehand?
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brayman9
Semi-Pro
most wristy is definetly not federer.
Golden Retriever
Hall of Fame
andyroddick1
Rookie
Nadal's is. It's because his grip is always is backhands grip so he uses his wrist so much to be able to hit that extreme top spin forehand.
No way man. Watch his forehands in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0T2tkZb-TQ
sorry its sideways.
MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
Legend
Federer has a lot of racket head speed on his forehand, I think more of a combination of technique and wrist action. But I agree with Andreev has a lot of wrist in his forehand.
Non-wristy: Would Stepanek qualify?
Non-wristy: Would Stepanek qualify?
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TENNIS_IS_FUN
Professional
I always thought Andre's wrist was pretty stiff.
Donald Young's wrist looks super wristy to me imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhEuYaRtGM
Donald Young's wrist looks super wristy to me imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhEuYaRtGM
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
what about berasategui ?
he had a wrist-destructor FH !
he had a wrist-destructor FH !
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Dunlopkid
Guest
Maybe Hrbaty for least wristy?
helloworld
Hall of Fame
It's the wrist that allows him to hit such a powerful forehand. You need to snap your wrist with perfect timing to get power on the stroke. Anyone who take tennis seriously should know this.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
Wrist or no wrist
Gents,
Take a look at the slo-mo link that Str33t provided and you will see that Fed uses very little wrist as the ball is being struck. However the wrist and arm do pronate after the ball is gone, to accentuate the follow through. This is to maximize the upward and forward motion that generates all of that power.
Then take a look at Rafa's FH and you will see that with his WFH grip he snaps his wrist upward at contact to generate racquet head speed and thus massive spin. However, this can cause problems on faster courts if he does not move forward at contact. He will get the spin but not much power resulting in the ball landing short in the court.
TennezSport
Gents,
Take a look at the slo-mo link that Str33t provided and you will see that Fed uses very little wrist as the ball is being struck. However the wrist and arm do pronate after the ball is gone, to accentuate the follow through. This is to maximize the upward and forward motion that generates all of that power.
Then take a look at Rafa's FH and you will see that with his WFH grip he snaps his wrist upward at contact to generate racquet head speed and thus massive spin. However, this can cause problems on faster courts if he does not move forward at contact. He will get the spin but not much power resulting in the ball landing short in the court.
TennezSport
LeftyServe
Semi-Pro
Oscar Hernandez. Don't have a link to some footage, but this Spanish clay-courter hits an unusual forehand with extreme wrist action.
jmsx521
Hall of Fame
Yes, without a doubt! He makes the rest of the wristy-FH-tour-players look like beginners.
Jackie T. Stephens
Professional
Federer uses nothing but wrist!!!!
ShooterMcMarco
Hall of Fame
At the contact point, Federer's wrist is laid back just like 100% of the top pros. Definitely not wristy. He might relax it into the shot, but it isn't a conscious fling or snap into the ball.
mileslong
Professional
that is exactly who i was thinking about..
federer uses a ton of wrist. anyone that hits a hard forehand no doubt uses a lot of wrist regardless of topspin because that is where all the power is released just like a golf swing. if you dont use much wrist you get very little power released regardless of how strong you are.
"Definitely not wristy. He might relax it into the shot, but it isn't a conscious fling or snap into the ball."
i couldn't disagree more, if you watch his forehand in slow motion you will see a smooth stroke coming up to the ball then right as he releases his wrist the racket moves incredibly quick to the point it almost looks like full speed video and not slow motion. thats not arm movement causing that incredible increase in speed thats his wrists. every announcer i have heard says he has the fastest racket speed in the game.
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ShooterMcMarco
Hall of Fame
You can accelerate the racquet very fast without using wrist by using your legs, hips and torso rotation (IOW the kinetic chain).
Maybe you can explain this to me:
That doesn't look wristy at all to me.
stormholloway
Legend
Federer's forehand is wristy. His grip is close to eastern so it's not going to be as wristy as Nadal or Andreev though.
Even Becker commented on Federer's use of the wrist in the Federer documentary. Federer's wrist breaks before contact then rolls over, but his grip doesn't allow for an extreme wrist action.
The least wristy? John McEnroe.
Even Becker commented on Federer's use of the wrist in the Federer documentary. Federer's wrist breaks before contact then rolls over, but his grip doesn't allow for an extreme wrist action.
The least wristy? John McEnroe.
ShooterMcMarco
Hall of Fame
Top teachers (Yandell, Bungalo, Mojo, Jeff Counts and Mahboob) discussing the role of the wrist and how Federer's forehand isn't wristy:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=15518
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=15518
Hahaha! You're telling me FEDERER has the least wristy forehand on the tour? It's the opposite, he's definitely top 3 or so. Nadal being 1
To the people posting pictures/vids of Federer hitting non-wristy forehands:
Federer and all other pros can hit their forehand many different ways, including no wrist movement. I always think it's hilarious whe people have debates on if a certain player moves his wrist during a forehand and they keep posting vids of the player, hitting the type of forehand they think that player hits all the time. Thats just not the case, you can take any player and if you get tons of slow motion vids you can find one with no wrist movement, no matter how much they use wrist movement when they blast topspin forehands on the baseline..\
Sure you guys can post Fed hitting a forehand in a certain situation, having no wrist movement, but the fact remains that Federer uses a lot of wrist action (more than most) on many of his topspin forehands
No one whose a member to hi-techtennis.com can tell me that Federer doesn't use a lot of wrist action:
http://www.hi-techtennis.com/forehand/federer/index.php
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keithchircop
Professional
Top teachers? I wonder why people listen to all this info and "advice" from people they don't know, never met, and will never meet, as opposed to spending some bucks on lessons. Lessons during which you can REALLY see if the coach knows what he's talking about. Your top teacher should be YOUR coach, not some stranger on the internet.
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Alafter
Hall of Fame
I have a sugar daddy on the internet. I don't know who he is.
He makes me feel durrrrty.
keithchircop
Professional
Again, I suggest spending some money on a proper dominatrix who'll teach you the intricacies of BDSM.
kimizz
Rookie
I dont know if it matters that a stranger gives advice as long as its improving your game. If you ever read the sticky threads in the tips/instructions section you would realize how good info there is!
Wristy !!Looking!! FHs:Henin, Federer Nadal...Maybe Nadal is the top contender.
helloworld
Hall of Fame
I don't know what kind of top teachers they are, but this is just completely wrong. I've been trained in junior tennis academy before and my coach always told me to use the wrist on the forehand AND serve. Putting body weight into the shot is easy, but snapping the wrist with perfect timing is what I'm still struggling to do...
dima
Banned
Well James Blake does say not to use the wrist on the forehand, I just cant find the video
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
That is because your coach was wrong. I am not asking you to believe me(us) but if you have been struggling with something for a while, I suggest you find another coach. You shouldn't even be thinking about using your wrist, it is just along for the ride. All snapping your wrist will do is rob power and spin as well as ruin your timing.
Please lets not start an argument here, and derail this thread.
J
Povl Carstensen
Legend
This properly has been covered, but heres my take: The wrist has to be relaxed to be an optimum part of the whole stroke. If you try to muscle the ball with your wrist youre in trouble (fx in volleying). But even a relaxed wrist can move the racket, adjusting position, and making the last release of power into the ball. Its like cracking a whip, if you do it unrelaxed, and untimed, nothing happens. But when the whole chain of power is done timed and relaxed you get maximum effect. The pros ability to time this, especially Federers, is amazing. And although some might say that it is not benificial for us mortals to emulate this, I find it fascinating. Who doesent want a relaxed, flowing game? As Federer once said, Its about syncronizing yourself to the ball.
I think a lot of people on here are confused at what we mean by a wristy forehand, none of us mean a forehand that the wrist is snapped forward with the wrist muscles... we mean when you relax, generate extremely high swingspeed, and let the wrist lag behind the arm, and it naturally "catches up", which results in you feeling like the ball is on the string for longer, and if done right you get a much more solid controlled feeling on the ball.
Also remember pros hit both ways depending on the situation and type of shot, so don't pull up Federer hitting a forehand with no wrist thinking you've just proved your point, because you havent..
Also remember pros hit both ways depending on the situation and type of shot, so don't pull up Federer hitting a forehand with no wrist thinking you've just proved your point, because you havent..
JRProstaf9
Rookie
Ever watch mara santangelo (from Italy) play... full on eastern if not continental grip on her forehand side...
drakulie
Talk Tennis Guru
No pro uses their wrist in the forehand. It is laid back before, during, and immediately after contact.
And by the way, for the poster who stated mojo as a "top teacher">>> he actually advocates snapping the wrist forward, so he has no clue what he is talking about.
And by the way, for the poster who stated mojo as a "top teacher">>> he actually advocates snapping the wrist forward, so he has no clue what he is talking about.
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MEAC_ALLAMERICAN
Legend
In terms of wristy forhands, Magnus Norman and Anke Huber had some extreme grips on their forehands.
Would this qualify?
Would this qualify?
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stormholloway
Legend
This is just wrong. The wrist may not snap but it's absolute being "used".
mileslong
Professional
um that doesnt look wristy because its a photograph and not a video..You can accelerate the racquet very fast without using wrist by using your legs, hips and torso rotation (IOW the kinetic chain).
Maybe you can explain this to me:
That doesn't look wristy at all to me.
james blakes backhand is NOT wristy, federers forehand is very wristy, if you think he gets that crazy racket head speed from just turning his body
youre nuts...try taping your wrists until they are locked and swing your racket, no matter how hard you twist and swing your arm your racket isnt going to
be moving very fast in comparison. i could swing my arm and body half as fast as you but using my wrists i could blow you away with my racket head speed...
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mileslong
Professional
lol, if thats true then how would they ever hit a cross court forehand? everyone would be inside out. thats just wrong. they strike they ball as the wrist is being released...
ShooterMcMarco
Hall of Fame
Its obvious in that picture his wrist is still laid back at contact. Federer has hand and arm rotation just like any top pro. The "wristy" action you see is an illusion when he swings at full speeds.
TennezSport
Hall of Fame
Exactly...........
^^^^ This is exactly what I stated on page 1 and the Video that Str33t posted proves it, as Feds wrist is still layed back after the ball leaves the racquet. It's the follow through that gives the illusion of the wristy shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPaZj4yn00
TennezSport
^^^^ This is exactly what I stated on page 1 and the Video that Str33t posted proves it, as Feds wrist is still layed back after the ball leaves the racquet. It's the follow through that gives the illusion of the wristy shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPaZj4yn00
TennezSport
Alafter
Hall of Fame
i am getting 50/50 here some say i am an idiot while others agree
That makes 100% of the population agreeing that you are an idiot!
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