Gasol To The Lakers!!!!!!

Doc Hollidae · Feb 1, 2008

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3226203

"This game's in the refrigerator, the door is closed, the light's out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the jello's jiggling."
-Chick Hearn

scotus · Feb 1, 2008

Is he better than Vlade Divac?

Joe Average · Feb 1, 2008

Hmmm. There goes Kwame Brown again. He actually had a good month a thousand years ago. That's one guy who should have played college ball. I had hoped (not really, I don't root for them) the Lakers would get Chris Webber. He'd be a good match.

crazy8tiger · Feb 1, 2008

I love this trade for the Lakers but it was unfortunate for Crittenton to be traded but we still have Farmar. Once Bynum, our line-up should be dominating on the boards and we still have Kobe in the backcourt.

Our line-up should look like this once Bynum's back:
PG- Derek Fisher
SG- Kobe Bryant
SF- Lamar Odom
PF- Pau Gasol
C- Andrew Bynum

UW_Husky88 · Feb 1, 2008

Wow. The lakers are going to own now. This is a sick lineup for the future:

PG: Jordan Farmar
SG: The Big K.O.B.E
SF: Lamar Odom
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bynum

Incredible. Talent all around with 4 (possibly 5 if Farmar plays more consistently) all-star caliber players, and they will have a solid bench with Walton, Radmonovic, etc. This is exciting as a Lakers fan! I can't wait to see what they'll look like once Bynum gets back.

F The Blazers, the Lakers honestly might have the most talented team, especially now, in the near future.

tricky · Feb 1, 2008

I'm a shocked we got Gasol. Or, rather, I'm floored somebody wanted Kwame.

I'm a little worried how we're going to rotate Gasol and Bynum when Andrew comes back. I don't think the front office intends their future franchise player to go back to the bench, but this is almost too good to be true. Had we gotten Gasol last summer, you bet Kobe would have been in a much better mood during the summer. In fact, I think he's REALLY REALLY glad now that he's stayed.

This is just incredible, really. Gasol's offensive contributions will take awhile to come together, but his rebounding will have an immediate impact. And we're right back to being high-seed contenders again even with Bynum out.

Realistically, we didn't lose anything by trading our 1st round draft picks either. The Lakers are going to finish with a good record, we have a PG with upside, and our big man needs are well, well fleshed out. We need lock-down defenders and that's about it.

Hot Sauce · Feb 1, 2008

UW_Husky88 said:
the Lakers honestly might have the most talented team, especially now, in the near future.

lolololololol

boojay · Feb 1, 2008

Lakers are insanely stacked now. Unfortunately, they still have kobe, who is the greatest chemistry breaker of all time. Look what happened the last time they had 4 stars together.

Doc Hollidae · Feb 1, 2008

Hot Sauce said:
lolololololol

Can you name a deeper team on paper?

tricky · Feb 1, 2008

Personally I think on talent-level, we match up well with anybody in the league. Not necessarily in top 3 guys but just overall depth and offensive pieces. We have the highest scoring 2nd unit in the league, and that's to Phil's credit. Kobe should be excited to play for this team.

Doc Hollidae · Feb 1, 2008

boojay said:
Lakers are insanely stacked now. Unfortunately, they still have kobe, who is the greatest chemistry breaker of all time. Look what happened the last time they had 4 stars together.

Greatest chemistry breaker of all time? Please......

Start with Artest and McGrady from his Orlando days.....

Doc Hollidae · Feb 1, 2008

Also there's a rumor going around that Memphis will buy out Kwame and in turn he'll resign with the Lakers ala "Gary Payton" and Boston.

tricky · Feb 1, 2008

Also I gotta give up to Mitch (whom I've flamed for like the whole decade) and the GM staff. They've made great choices in the draft the last few years, and they landed the big fish. I mean, I still can't believe we frigging got Gasol!

scotus · Feb 1, 2008

tricky said:
I'm a shocked we got Gasol. Or, rather, I'm floored somebody wanted Kwame.

I'm a little worried how we're going to rotate Gasol and Bynum when Andrew comes back. I don't think the front office intends their future franchise player to go back to the bench, but this is almost too good to be true.

Neithe will be benched. They will both be starters with Bynum as the center and Gasol as PF.

Doc Hollidae · Feb 1, 2008

scotus said:
Neithe will be benched. They will both be starters with Bynum as the center and Gasol as PF.

Yes and no. PJ likes to flex his muscles from time to time to play mind games. So I wouldn't be surprised if they go with:

PG: DFish, Farmar
SG: Kobe, Sasha
SF: Walton, Ariza
PF: Odom, Turiaf
C: Gasol, Bynum

Come playoff time though, I think we'll see the big lineup with Bynum starting. That's basically three 7 footers as the Lakers front court and hell for driving and slashing guards.

Shashwat · Feb 1, 2008

boojay said:
Lakers are insanely stacked now. Unfortunately, they still have kobe, who is the greatest chemistry breaker of all time. Look what happened the last time they had 4 stars together.

Insanely stacked? You're kidding right. Lamar Odom is extremely inconsistent. If Kobe was "the greatest chemistry breaker" Lakers wouldn't have a winning record right now. He carries the team in so many different ways, and he is a huge part of Bynum improving. They still play together and with really good chemistry despite Kobe's trade demands and him wanting Kidd for Bynum. So i wouldn't call Kobe "the greatest chemistry breaker."

This is greeeeeeeeeat for the Lakers, i'm really happy since i'm a huge fan. Now lets see how they play together before we make any assumptions, i'm hoping it will be good and not like the Nuggets.

But still, i think Spurs are still #1. Pau Gasol isn't a great defender, and everyone is just slowly improving on defense right now (except Kobe of course). I hope by next year they will play together and will be contenders.

Defense = Championships

As a huge fan, Lakers win 2008 championship!!!!!!!

Doc Hollidae · Feb 1, 2008

Shashwat said:
Insanely stacked? You're kidding right. Lamar Odom is extremely inconsistent. If Kobe was "the greatest chemistry breaker" Lakers wouldn't have a winning record right now. He carries the team in so many different ways, and he is a huge part of Bynum improving. They still play together and with really good chemistry despite Kobe's trade demands and him wanting Kidd for Bynum. So i wouldn't call Kobe "the greatest chemistry breaker."

This is greeeeeeeeeat for the Lakers, i'm really happy since i'm a huge fan. Now lets see how they play together before we make any assumptions, i'm hoping it will be good and not like the Nuggets.

But still, i think Spurs are still #1. Pau Gasol isn't a great defender, and everyone is just slowly improving on defense right now (except Kobe of course). I hope by next year they will play together and will be contenders.

Defense = Championships

As a huge fan, Lakers win 2008 championship!!!!!!!

I highly doubt it'll be like the Nuggets. With the Nuggets you have 2 players that need the ball in their hands in Melo and AI. Then you have an injury prone Kmart who's washed up and even in his prime wasn't an elite player.

With the Lakers you have 1 player that needs the ball in his hands in Kobe. Odom has shown that he's not a 2nd scoring option and barely even a third with the emergence of Bynum. Odom has the talent of an all-star, but the mentality of a role player and plays like it. Gasol once was an All-Star, but I think we can all agree he's not at the caliber of other All-Star PF's like Duncan, Garnett, Bosh, JO, Amare, etc. Gasol is more of a Star than an All-Star.

Gasol will also be a good fit with Bynum as he can play the high post and leave the low post to the more physical Bynum. This will then allow Odom to play a more perimeter based game which favors his style I think.

Then you got Dfish playing D and raining threes as most attention will towards Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe.

Shashwat · Feb 1, 2008

Doc Hollidae said:
I highly doubt it'll be like the Nuggets. With the Nuggets you have 2 players that need the ball in their hands in Melo and AI. Then you have an injury prone Kmart who's washed up and even in his prime wasn't an elite player.

With the Lakers you have 1 player that needs the ball in his hands in Kobe. Odom has shown that he's not a 2nd scoring option and barely even a third with the emergence of Bynum. Odom has the talent of an all-star, but the mentality of a role player. Gasol once was an All-Star, but I think we can all agree he's not at the caliber of other All-Star PF's like Duncan, Garnett, Bosh, JO, Amare, etc. Gasol is more of a Star than an All-Star.

Gasol will also be a good fit with Bynum as he can play the high post and leave the low post to the more physical Bynum. This will then allow Odom to play a more perimeter based game which favors his style I think.

Then you got Dfish playing D and raining threes as most attention will towards Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe.

Yup, but you can't tell unless you see them all play together. And i'm thinking Phil will bump Luke out of the starting line-up, that's sad because he's got potential. But i think it's going to make us a lot deeper so it all works out. Ahhhh i'm excited for Bynum to come back.

BigServer1 · Feb 1, 2008

boojay said:
Lakers are insanely stacked now. Unfortunately, they still have kobe, who is the greatest chemistry breaker of all time. Look what happened the last time they had 4 stars together.

The last time they had 4 stars together, two of those "stars" were old guys who weren't contributing at a level anywhere close to their peak. They had little depth off the bench and no backup plan. They lost to a team in Detroit that also had 4 legit stars in Rip, Billups, Sheed and B Wallace (defensive star, anyway) and role guys like Tayshaun Prince and Antonio McDyess. The Pistons were deeper, hungrier, more talented and younger. That 2004 series was a lot of fun to watch.

UW_Husky88 · Feb 1, 2008

Hot Sauce said:
lolololololol

...I remember you. You were the guy that seems to hate the Lakers for no apparent reason and thought he was really hot in another thread, and tried to dismiss every claim I made. Name one reason why they aren't one of, if not the most talented team in the league?

They have the second best player on the planet, an emerging center (he obviously won't be Shaq, but he could very well be a all-star caliber player), a Scottie Pippen type player in Odom who is MORE comfortable being a support guy, a talented young PG (Farmar), and a young, yet now solid bench already. Top that off with a young, good PF/C who still hasn't reached full potential, and you've got a GREAT TEAM. The bench is the weak spot, but it's young, so it will most likely only get better. Tell me how adding another all-star player who is also young isn't good/make them more talented.

Seriously, instead of being a jerk, back up your statements.

timeisonmyside · Feb 6, 2008

Greetings from La-La land.

What do you all think after that first game?

Offensively, I don't think there will be any problem at all with him fitting in. Defensively, he looks like he missed some rotations, gave up some offensive boards because of not boxing out. This will all be moot when Bynum comes back.

Can't get too excited yet as it was only the Nets they were playing. One thing is for sure though, even if Pau ends up being a disappointment, or wrecks the LA chemistry, or is too injury-prone, he IS ALREADY 1000000000x BETTER THAN KWAME.

tricky · Feb 6, 2008

What got me going was the little two-man stuff that Kobe and Pau featured at different points of the game. We hadn't seen that kind of stuff since Shaq and Kobe championship era, and I was amazed how naturally Pau played into it. You can immediately feel in the impact with both Kobe and Lamar, both who looked elated at the end of the game. Especially Kobe.

The thing is, even if Pau is a liability as a man-on-man defender (which he is, but we have Ronnie to body up), the total effect of all these big men still forces teams to make more jump shots. There's just no room for teams to play underneath, and that was clear when Lamar and Pau totally closed up the inside.

When Bynum comes back and if they can gel this season (big IF considering the difficulty of the triangle), this team will be frightening. Spurs and Celtics may still have a better three, but nobody has a bigger, taller starting lineup and nobody has a bench that can score like ours.

To suggest how good the chemistry may be, Kobe was calling out sets and court plays to him in Spanish, so that the other team couldn't pick it up.

lethalfang · Feb 6, 2008

timeisonmyside said:
Greetings from La-La land.

What do you all think after that first game?

Offensively, I don't think there will be any problem at all with him fitting in. Defensively, he looks like he missed some rotations, gave up some offensive boards because of not boxing out. This will all be moot when Bynum comes back.

Can't get too excited yet as it was only the Nets they were playing. One thing is for sure though, even if Pau ends up being a disappointment, or wrecks the LA chemistry, or is too injury-prone, he IS ALREADY 1000000000x BETTER THAN KWAME.

But if not for Gosal, would Lakers come close to winning a game where Kobe scored 6 points (and Bynum is still out)?

timeisonmyside · Feb 6, 2008

tricky said:
What got me going was the little two-man stuff that Kobe and Pau featured at different points of the game. We hadn't seen that kind of stuff since Shaq and Kobe championship era, and I was amazed how naturally Pau played into it. You can immediately feel in the impact with both Kobe and Lamar, both who looked elated at the end of the game. Especially Kobe.

Agreed. Kobe even interrupted Gasol's post-game on-court interview with KCAL9 and said, "Si me gusta, me gusta!"

tricky said:
The thing is, even if Pau is a liability as a man-on-man defender (which he is, but we have Ronnie to body up), the total effect of all these big men still forces teams to make more jump shots. There's just no room for teams to play underneath, and that was clear when Lamar and Pau totally closed up the inside.

Don't agree here. It seems like most of the game, the Nets were penetrating and making layups at will. But then again, I think Bynum will solve this problem.

tricky said:
To suggest how good the chemistry may be, Kobe was calling out sets and court plays to him in Spanish, so that the other team couldn't pick it up.

Didn't hear that. Pretty cool.

timeisonmyside · Feb 6, 2008

lethalfang said:
But if not for Gosal, would Lakers come close to winning a game where Kobe scored 6 points (and Bynum is still out)?

OK you got me. Good road win.

scotus · Feb 6, 2008

I watched the game and liked what I saw.

So what do you think of Shaq possibly going to Phoenix?

crazy8tiger · Feb 6, 2008

Reports from ESPN are, he has already passed his physical and the trade is being finalized.

Andres · Feb 6, 2008

Shaq to PHX in exchange of Marion and Banks!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

diegaa · Feb 6, 2008

all I know is Gasol is treated like a superstar in spain. does he live up with those expectations?

tricky · Feb 6, 2008

From what I understand, Gasol is a star but is also seen derisively in Spain as kind of a choker.

Shaq to PHX in exchange of Marion and Banks!

It looks like a bad trade to me, and possibly coach and GM butting heads. Unless you want to tear down how the Suns run their offense, just how is an injured, slow Shaq supposed to work in their scheme?

Andres · Feb 6, 2008

Apparently, they hired Shaq to improve their defense... specially against Tim Duncan.

Helloooo?? Mario is one of the best defenders in the league, and a constant matchup-problem for the opponents. He has one of the best hands out there, and he's extremely quick and agile for his size.

Bad bad trade

TENNIS_IS_FUN · Feb 6, 2008

In all honesty, I could have played better center for the Lakers than Kwame...Shaq is going to the Suns! Shocker.

stormholloway · Feb 6, 2008

Well the Lakers have clearly made a gem of a trade. They lose no significant starting player and get an All Star big man. Ridiculous. Plus he looks great already. He was the leading scorer against the Nets.

goober · Feb 6, 2008

Andres Guazzelli said:
Apparently, they hired Shaq to improve their defense... specially against Tim Duncan.

Helloooo?? Mario is one of the best defenders in the league, and a constant matchup-problem for the opponents. He has one of the best hands out there, and he's extremely quick and agile for his size.

Bad bad trade

Marion has been disgruntled and they have been looking to deal him for awhile now. He is the highest paid player on the team but he can't carry the team or lead it. He is a great utility guy and defender but he can't defend where they need it the most in the middle.

Steve Kerr gave a press conference and basically said Shaq was brought in because they have no big man in the middle. With Lakers improving and the Suns 2-8 versus elite level teams so far this year, they felt like the needed to make a move. Amare has been whining for years he is really a 4 not a 5 and has been playing out of position. He is right, but the trade still is probably going to be a bust.

Shaq 5 years ago- Yes, Shaq now- health issues, not as dominant as he once was, he doesn't really fit into Phoenix run and gun system. The local media is about 75% against the trade and 25% for it.

TENNIS_IS_FUN · Feb 6, 2008

stormholloway said:
Well the Lakers have clearly made a gem of a trade. They lose no significant starting player and get an All Star big man. Ridiculous. Plus he looks great already. He was the leading scorer against the Nets.

Actually, Fish was the leading scorer, but Gasol played a better game imo.

*SPOILER*

Lakers lose today to the Atlanta Hawks, with Gasol having a below avg game...well everyone had a below avg game so i guess its not fair to single out Gasol.

timeisonmyside · Feb 6, 2008

goober said:
Marion has been disgruntled and they have been looking to deal him for awhile now. He is the highest paid player on the team but he can't carry the team or lead it. He is a great utility guy and defender but he can't defend where they need it the most in the middle.

Steve Kerr gave a press conference and basically said Shaq was brought in because they have no big man in the middle. With Lakers improving and the Suns 2-8 versus elite level teams so far this year, they felt like the needed to make a move. Amare has been whining for years he is really a 4 not a 5 and has been playing out of position. He is right, but the trade still is probably going to be a bust.

Shaq 5 years ago- Yes, Shaq now- health issues, not as dominant as he once was, he doesn't really fit into Phoenix run and gun system. The local media is about 75% against the trade and 25% for it.

The move seems a little desperate to me, putting all your eggs into one basket like that. Do you think they still would have made this trade if the Lakers hadn't gotten Gasol?

Hot Sauce · Feb 7, 2008

Doc Hollidae said:
Can you name a deeper team on paper?

The Celtics?
Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins.

Don't argue this one, you even said on paper.

Hot Sauce · Feb 7, 2008

UW_Husky88 said:
...I remember you. You were the guy that seems to hate the Lakers for no apparent reason and thought he was really hot in another thread, and tried to dismiss every claim I made. Name one reason why they aren't one of, if not the most talented team in the league?

They have the second best player on the planet, an emerging center (he obviously won't be Shaq, but he could very well be a all-star caliber player), a Scottie Pippen type player in Odom who is MORE comfortable being a support guy, a talented young PG (Farmar), and a young, yet now solid bench already. Top that off with a young, good PF/C who still hasn't reached full potential, and you've got a GREAT TEAM. The bench is the weak spot, but it's young, so it will most likely only get better. Tell me how adding another all-star player who is also young isn't good/make them more talented.

Seriously, instead of being a jerk, back up your statements.

I remember you.. you're the Laker's fanboy who doesn't interpret anything other people say. In the other thread I praised the Lakers for improving so much, going as far as to point out Farmar, Bynum, AND the Laker's bench. Another flaw in your argument is that you say the Lakers bench is the weak spot. If you had carefully read my post in the other thread, you would know that the Laker's bench is top 5 in categories such as scoring, points given, rebounding.

The reason why I dismiss all of your claims is because of a couple reasons.
1. You would literally give Kobe head if he asked you to.
2. You think Kobe is capable of being the best PG of all time.
3. You have no sense of the caliber of the players in the past.
4. You would willingly take place in an orgy with the whole Lakers team.

You say that the Lakers have the most talented team right now. Just curious, but from what perspective is that? On paper, or what? On paper I'd say the Celtics, and as far as team records go, well, the Lakers aren't the top. But what good is looking solid on paper, when a team doesn't perform well? I know you tend to misinterpret things, so I'll clarify this: I'm not saying that the Lakers specifically don't perform well.

It just KILLS me to hear you compare Lamar Odom to Scottie Pippen. Lamar Odom the TYPE of player that Scottie was? Scottie's type was "incredible", and Lamar's type is "overrated". It's also funny when you say "Tell me how adding another all-star player who is also young isn't good/make them more talented.", like I said that Pau isn't going to be a great addition to the team. I literally said "lolololol" and you interpreted that as "Pau won't be good for the Lakers". In fact, I think Pau will be a solid addition to the team. The moment I heard that trade go down, I thought to myself "Wow, the Lakers could be contenders".

If you think that I don't back up my statements, you're sadly wrong. In not one discussion of basketball have I neglected to support my statements. The only thing is that you just choose not to interpret.

Andres · Feb 7, 2008

Hot Sauce said:
The Celtics?
Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins.

Don't argue this one, you even said on paper.

Parker, Ginobili, Bowen, Duncan, Oberto.

my_forehand · Feb 7, 2008

Yeh...ummm...the Lakers lost.

Doc Hollidae · Feb 7, 2008

Hot Sauce said:
The Celtics?
Rondo, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins.

Don't argue this one, you even said on paper.

Sorry man. Not even close. That's a starting line-up. There's 15 players on a regular season roster. 12 in the playoffs. Those 5 aren't going to play 48 minutes for 82 games plus playoffs and even if they did, they'd be spent by the playoffs.

Tony Allen, Eddie House, James Posey, Brian Scalabrine, Leon Powe and Glen Davis make up the bulk of the Celtics bench.

Jordan Farmar, Luke Walton, Trevor Ariza, Ronny Turiaf, Vlade Radmanovic , and Sasha Vujacic make up the Lakers bench.

Boston's bench is filled with undersized guards and undersized forwards. 2 players have less than 3 years in the league. One of the big 3 for the C's goes down and there goes the season. Everything it riding on Pierce, Allen, and Garnett. Last time I checked two 6'8" PF's as your only big men off the bench, isn't considered depth.

mabuhay · Feb 7, 2008

i love this trade. lakers shook the western conference. first move, shaq to suns. i wonder who else will follow

UW_Husky88 · Feb 7, 2008

Hot Sauce said:
The reason why I dismiss all of your claims is because of a couple reasons.
1. You would literally give Kobe head if he asked you to.
2. You think Kobe is capable of being the best PG of all time.
3. You have no sense of the caliber of the players in the past.
4. You would willingly take place in an orgy with the whole Lakers team.

It just KILLS me to hear you compare Lamar Odom to Scottie Pippen. Lamar Odom the TYPE of player that Scottie was? Scottie's type was "incredible", and Lamar's type is "overrated".

OK from your 4 reasons I can already tell that you are a bit of a tool, no offense, especially numbers 1 and 4. I was willing to have a healthy debate, but you obviously are completely classless and have your head way up your @$$, so I won't even respond to those, although I still will say that Kobe could be the best PG of all time (you may disagree, but screw you), and also that players in the past are not near what they are today. If Wilt wasn't virtually the only 7 footer back then, he wouldn't be nearly as dominant, and the game has all in all gotten faster, bigger, stronger, and straight up better. The people in the past, although some were of course exceptions (and heretalking about people like Elgin who are ridiculous, not just stars back then), but even these legends back then would be the NBA stars, not superstars today. There's no way to of course prove this, but that's a reasonable guess. Also, as I said before, LeBron is my favorite player, so by your juvenile logic I would, if anything, give head to him, but I wouldn't do it anyway, so I don't see where you're going with this.

And yes, Odom is the same type of player Scottie was. Seriously, just because he's the same type of player doesn't mean he is Scottie, which is something you don't understand.

I know because I've now officially been a a-hole as well that you're going to flame me given your lack of maturity, but whatever. Don't expect a response from me because I'd rather not start a scene on here and get banned because of a tool like you.

and btw, I specifically said IN THE FUTURE the Lakers, now more than the Blazers, will be the team to beat. I didn't say they were the best right now, and even though apparently I want to be in a Lakers "orgy", I'm not buying into the hype that they'll go to the finals this year. I'm one of the few Lakers fans that still thinks they'll be lucky to go to conference finals this year, so whatever dude. Go work for ESPN since you apparently know everything instead of being a @$$ to others.

Hot Sauce · Feb 7, 2008

Doc Hollidae said:
Sorry man. Not even close. That's a starting line-up. There's 15 players on a regular season roster. 12 in the playoffs. Those 5 aren't going to play 48 minutes for 82 games plus playoffs and even if they did, they'd be spent by the playoffs.

Tony Allen, Eddie House, James Posey, Brian Scalabrine, Leon Powe and Glen Davis make up the bulk of the Celtics bench.

Jordan Farmar, Luke Walton, Trevor Ariza, Ronny Turiaf, Vlade Radmanovic , and Sasha Vujacic make up the Lakers bench.

Boston's bench is filled with undersized guards and undersized forwards. 2 players have less than 3 years in the league. One of the big 3 for the C's goes down and there goes the season. Everything it riding on Pierce, Allen, and Garnett. Last time I checked two 6'8" PF's as your only big men off the bench, isn't considered depth.

You just compared the benches though, and obviously the Lakers bench is better than the Celtics. In my opinion, the difference between the Celtics starting lineup and the Lakers starting lineup is bigger than the difference between the Lakers bench and the Celtics bench. You have to admit that the Celtics starting lineup is just stacked with talent, and the results would argue in favour. You have praised the Lakers bench, which is understandable, but you also have to credit the Celtics starting lineup.

Also, I really don't think that the Celtics bench is that poor. The three ballers work to compliment Garnett when he's doubled. It's hard to point out flaws in a team when they're 37-9.

Hot Sauce · Feb 7, 2008

UW_Husky88 said:
I can already tell that you are a bit of a tool, no offense

Oh man, that's good stuff.

UW_Husky88 said:
I was willing to have a healthy debate, but you obviously are completely classless and have your head way up your @$$

UW_Husky88 said:
Seriously, instead of being a jerk, back up your statements.

Yeah, you calling me a jerk was the sign of the willingness for a "healthy debate".

As far as the rest of your crappy post goes, you really haven't said much. I agree with what you said about Wilt, but why do you assume I'm talking about him? I'm talking about players like Magic, Stockton, and Oscar who you disrespect when you say that Kobe could be the best PG of all time. You don't think Magic could ball in today's game? You're sadly mistaken. I know I said this to you in the other thread, but you never responded to it, which furthermore proves that you really don't know how to read.

Oh, and please do not ever mention the names Scottie or Pippen when you talk about Lamar Odom. Pippen is such an underrated player because MJ tended to take the spotlight away from him. I'm fully aware of what you were getting at, saying that they're the same type of player. But you were trying to compliment Odom by comparing him to Pippen. The only time I would condone comparing those two players is if you'd say something like "Odom is like a crappy version of Scottie". And even then, Scottie's midrange and three is on another planet compared to Odom's.

UW_Husky88 said:
Don't expect a response from me because I'd rather not start a scene on here and get banned because of a tool like you.

This is very funny because you just gave me a response and tried to start a scene. You even said that you were trying to be rude.

It's understandable though, you just haven't come to down to reality yet. Although, I do appreciate you trying to act mature which was a completely failed attempt. You tried to toss in some insulting comments, get the last word, and run away from your "willing debate"

Doc Hollidae · Feb 8, 2008

Hot Sauce said:
You just compared the benches though, and obviously the Lakers bench is better than the Celtics. In my opinion, the difference between the Celtics starting lineup and the Lakers starting lineup is bigger than the difference between the Lakers bench and the Celtics bench. You have to admit that the Celtics starting lineup is just stacked with talent, and the results would argue in favour. You have praised the Lakers bench, which is understandable, but you also have to credit the Celtics starting lineup.

Also, I really don't think that the Celtics bench is that poor. The three ballers work to compliment Garnett when he's doubled. It's hard to point out flaws in a team when they're 37-9.

Depth though refers to a whole team. not just the starting line up. Yes I do think the Celtics have a solid starting lineup. Compared to the Lakers, I think it's a little to early to tell. I would give the edge to the Celtics' Big Three, but I think Fisher and Bynum are better than Rondo and Perkins at the moment. Rondo has promise and potential, but he's far from his peak. Perkins is nothing special, especially compared to Bynum. So starting line up wise they are about equal with the C's having a slight edge possibly.

UW_Husky88 · Feb 8, 2008

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As far as the rest of your crappy post goes, you really haven't said much. I agree with what you said about Wilt, but why do you assume I'm talking about him? I'm talking about players like Magic, Stockton, and Oscar who you disrespect when you say that Kobe could be the best PG of all time. You don't think Magic could ball in today's game? You're sadly mistaken. I know I said this to you in the other thread, but you never responded to it, which furthermore proves that you really don't know how to read.

You claim to substantiate your positions, but all you've said so far is, you're wrong. Like I said, there's no way to prove any of this, but at least put something to show why it's wrong instead of just saying idiotic crap like, "you're wrong, go have gay orgy sex" and then try and make it seem as though I'm the bad guy for not wanting to get into it with a whiny punk like you.

Lol proves that I can't read? Judging from your grammar and lack of debating etiquette, how can you say the same about yourself?

This is very funny because you just gave me a response and tried to start a scene. You even said that you were trying to be rude.

Sure, I disagreed with you, but never did I go to the level of you and start talking about gay orgy sex from nowhere. If calling you out on that makes me a jerk, then yes, I am quite a little *****.

And at least I can admit that I was being a bit brash in my post (although for good reason), unlike you who still can't accept the fact that you have absolutely no sense in terms of what is appropriate to say. Honestly, you sound like one of those middle-school ballers that thinks he's the ish because of his little Jordans and isn't in elementary school. Grow up and lose your ego.

You tried to toss in some insulting comments, get the last word, and run away from your "willing debate"

Insulting? Cry me a river. Not once did I go nearly as far as you do. Calling you a d*** because you're being one isn't mean. If I were like you and started attacking people for no reason, then yes, I would be insulting, but since it's you that's doing this, you are in fact the one that's insulting. And yes, I am running away from a willing debate because unlike you, I don't like to be immature and attack people personally for no reason. This is truly my last post on this thread directed towards you, because I don't like debating with middle-schoolers with huge egos. I only posted back to get into your head that you are the @$$ so that hopefully you would get over yourself, but I can see that's not happening, as I'm expecting a lash back from you shortly.

UW_Husky88 · Feb 8, 2008

OK, I take back the that whole post and apologize, because I'm not helping in anyway to this thread. Unfortunately, I can't delete, so everyone will probably end up reading it anyway, but I seriously do take it back, and am sorry for it.

Let's just ignore this nonsense and talk some hoops.

Andres · Feb 8, 2008

Scottie = GOAT

Hot Sauce · Feb 8, 2008

Doc Hollidae said:
Depth though refers to a whole team. not just the starting line up. Yes I do think the Celtics have a solid starting lineup. Compared to the Lakers, I think it's a little to early to tell. I would give the edge to the Celtics' Big Three, but I think Fisher and Bynum are better than Rondo and Perkins at the moment. Rondo has promise and potential, but he's far from his peak. Perkins is nothing special, especially compared to Bynum. So starting line up wise they are about equal with the C's having a slight edge possibly.

I'm well aware of what depth is. I guess we disagree on some levels because I'd put Rondo ahead of Fisher. Yeah, D.Fish is a great role player, but I think Rondo's skill is what puts him ahead. I wholeheartedly disagree with the Celtics starters having a slight edge over the Lakers. Especially right now since Bynum is still injured and Gasol has yet to play a game (correct me if I'm wrong on these).

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