If Roger Federer wins tomorrow..
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The balls in your court.
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Rhino
Legend
He said "if"; it's hypothetical, not "will he win?"
Pro Staff Pete
Semi-Pro
Yes he will be the GOAT.
Some commentators will call him so. It would give him an advantage over Sampras. But for all time, there are still people like Laver, Borg, and Tilden, whose records imo are still ahead of Federer at the moment, with the Grand Slam, the RG-Wimbledon double (or in Tildens day the World hard court and Wimbledon double).
Rhino
Legend
^^^what about Federers 4 x Wimbledon/US Open feat? I don't see why that is not as good, especially when you throw in 3 FO finals, and the AO titles.
Anyway who cares, it will be generally excepted throughout the world that Fed is the greatest player, so let's see what happens.
carlos djackal
Professional
If He Wins He Will Be Crowned The Goat......
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
No. A bunch of Sampras jock sniffers will open many threads on this message board trying to convince us how awesome Michael Stich, George Bastl, and other players from the 90's are - and claim that Fed is beating a bunch of lames... :roll:
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He already has an advantage over Sampras with 3 appearances in the Roland Garros final as well as a semi final. Not to mention all his other records. And he is ahead of Laver Borg and Tilden on the Grand Slam list. As long as he equals 14 Slams he will be greatest ever. The only thing Federer can achieve by winning French is make it completely undisputed by 99.9% of the people in tennis whose opinions actually matter.
aceroberts13
Professional
Many will agree that he is the greatest if he wins the French. If he wins the French and another grand slam I think that there will be no more bickering on whether or not he is the greatest. I don't think that a French and gold medal will do that for him. But his chances at Wimbledon and the USOpen are still very good.
wyutani
Hall of Fame
if roger wins tmr, then nadal will win wimbly.
IF Roger wins tomorrow and Nadal wins Wimbledon in 4 weeks time, these forums will be swamped with Conspiracy Theorys that Roger and Rafa came to a gentlemans agreement
dima
Banned
Borg himself said that if Roger beats Rafa tomorrow, he'll consider him the greatest of all time. So now Agassi, Sampras, Borg, Mcenroe, who else? If you can't go by the opinion of those 4 legends, then I don't know what to say. Now of course, Cyborg will come here mentioning Tilden, Rosewall, Gonzales, etc but it's ok, he thinks it makes him look smart
The balls in your court.
Banned
5 years? Wishful thinking maybe?
The balls in your court.
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Why not just talk about Santa Claus if we are just speaking about Hypos?
Good tennis he can surely play for 5 more years. Maybe we will consider it awful tennis by Fed standards, but most people consider his recent tennis already awful, yet still the best in the world over the last 12 months. He won't be no. 1 in 5 years, but top 10 is still possible, Pete won slams at 31 i believe. course Roger has a more demanding game in terms of movement and stuff, but there's much left for Federer I think. Maybe end his career at 2012 London olympics (wimbledon grass)?
Because Santa's got nothing to do with tennis, and this has. So if you don't like it, you better go to talk Santa.
CyBorg
Legend
Borg himself said that if Roger beats Rafa tomorrow, he'll consider him the greatest of all time. So now Agassi, Sampras, Borg, Mcenroe, who else? If you can't go by the opinion of those 4 legends, then I don't know what to say. Now of course, Cyborg will come here mentioning Tilden, Rosewall, Gonzales, etc but it's ok, he thinks it makes him look smart
hehe .. if Roger wins tomorrow even I might consider him the greatest of all time. And I'm not fibbing.
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Borg himself said that if Roger beats Rafa tomorrow, he'll consider him the greatest of all time. So now Agassi, Sampras, Borg, Mcenroe, who else? If you can't go by the opinion of those 4 legends, then I don't know what to say. Now of course, Cyborg will come here mentioning Tilden, Rosewall, Gonzales, etc but it's ok, he thinks it makes him look smart
Wouldn't you consider Borg biased? I mean, c'mon, he came to Wimbledon and openly supported Federer while the other player (Nadal)was also trying to meet one of his records (winning the French and Wimbledon). Not to mention he also called and thanked Roger years ago for not allowing Pete to beat his then record. You believe it because someone else said it? Everyone's opinion is subjective, not to mention it is filtered through their own psyche with motives we know not of.
It isn't only Borg is it? Anyways.. Roger's claim is getting stronger every day. Even if he doesn't win, he adds another one of those finals to his name.
dima
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TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Well, to me they all have valid reasons for saying it. Were you around when Pete was playing? If so, we can have a valid debate about John, Bjorn, and many of the others. Why did you not address my claim against Borg? I thought it was valid and showed his own ignorance. Don't you think it's ironic that he returned to the public eye after a 20 year absence?
Regarding Roger's claim to greatness. The commentators, press, and tennis authorities are going to jump on the latest, greatest phenom that's coming down the pike. If Roger doesn't break the record and win the French, they'll discard him. If someone else, say who's five years old training to be a future star comes along they'll dump him altogether. Haven't you seen how they're pushing Roger out of the #1 status already? It's subtle, but it's there.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Well,Borg picked Nadal to win Wimbledon so I don't think he's that biased but I agree everyone can form their own opinion and arguments and there are certainly a couple of players you could make a case for being the greatest ever.
HyperHorse
Banned
If Roger manages to knock off the topspin monkey iron man mountain that is Nadal...
I'll be happy for the rest of the year.
I'll be happy for the rest of the year.
Leelord337
Hall of Fame
do Jimmy Connors' 106 ATP titles come into play when being discussed as Federer becoming GOAT?
Federer has a measly 54,
Federer has a measly 54,
Nadal_Freak
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Same goes if Nadal knocks off Federer in the Wimbledon Finals.
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TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Do you understand what an opinion is? There are many experts on different subjects with differing opinions. Who's right, or wrong? This goes to prove how so many posters allow their thoughts to be filtered through someone's brain. If Agassi, Borg, McEnroe, and Sampras said it, then it's true? OK. But what about you? What does YOUR brain say? Sorry, I've always hated someone giving me someone else's opinion to validate their own opinion. That simply doesn't work for me. It's sort of like the, "everybody else is doing it" syndrome. I never was a follower, all of my thoughts are original and emanate from me and my own perceptions. I can respect someone else's opinion, but it doesn't change mine!
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
I think he was embarrassed. I would be if I did something so shoddy. Me personally, I don't believe in that GOAT debate. The best of their generation, yes, but crossing decades and eliminating the state of competition, racket technology, different surfaces, bigger, stronger, players, etc. There will never be a greatest of all time with things changing all the time. For example Masters Series being changed to best of three sets. That's a huge difference in that one thing alone. Maybe that's why some posters are actually saying Justine is the best ever. Based on what? And you're right, you could go on and on "proving" your point, but in the end someone else will come along and the former greatest will be discarded like chewing gum on the sidewalk. BTW, I also don't agree with McEnroe about Nadal being greater than Borg. The jury is still out on that I don't care what JMac says!
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
They'll call him that, and that will be fine, but first he has to do it! The same for Nadal. First Nadal has to surpass Borg to be greater than him. Mathematically, that only makes sense!
marc45
G.O.A.T.
as a huge sampras fan (amazing the criticism he gets...yeah, bastl at the end of his career while having an emotional letdown is what we pete fans use as an argument of his competition...btw, any thoughts on michael stich vs. anybody in top ten now, outside of top three (or even two?), let me due something so many fans on these boards have so much touble doing- give others respect, while putting things in context...if fed wins, i have no trouble with the goat title (neither does pete by the way, classier than most), but how about a couplethings fed fans might want to consider...1...duration of dominanace..his run since 2003-4 through 2007 has been the best ever perhaps...what if he loses tomorrow, and continues to suffer losses to nadal, joker, others in big matches to come (pete was 1 in the world for 6 years and would have been 7 imo if not for a back injury in 99...2... fed has been awfully reluctant to play davis cup, unlike nadal, joker, roddick...this gives him more time/rest to prepare for tourneys..pete was criticized for not playing as much as andre and courier, but nevertheless was a key memeber of two championship teams, in particular almost single-handedly winning a final against russia in moscow on red dirt against good claycourt players..easy to dismiss davis cup nowadays, but it is important to the history of tennis, and now that fed has wawrinka in the top ten why doeshe get a pass on that?...btw, i don't really push the competition angle, but looking below top 2 or three in fed's top ten, i'm really beginning to wonder (wonderful performances from davy and ferrer 4&5 on the clay this year)
TheTruth
G.O.A.T.
Great post!
CyBorg
Legend
Yes, we can still look at the outcome as another checkmark to his resume of course. But aside from the mere accomplishment of winning RG there would something extra to this. He would beat Nadal - in the prime of his youth; a genuinely great clay courter. The accomplishment would be incredible I think considering what we know now about Nadal and his domination of the rest of the field.
History predicts that Nadal will win. I can't think of a bigger upset if Roger pulls this off. Perhaps you can, but nothing comes to mind for me. History suggests that when a guy is in the prime of his career, is on his best surface, on the grandest stage, has a reputation to prove that he is the best on this surface and there are no warning signs of any kind of his demise this guy doesn't lose. So if he does lose it would mean that Federer has accomplished something quite extraordinary.
marc45
G.O.A.T.
thanks truth, i appreciate the compliment, and let me add at least one (painful) thing...borg and pete are my heroes (maybe even a match at the end of the year) and it bothered me greatly when i heard borg made that call to roger about saving his record...all of a sudden bjorn's become very available to the opinionmakers...interestingly, pete's book is coming out this week, so he'll be available (and has been-i swear he's done more interviews the last couple years, all fed-related, than his whole career),However, i don't think he's attended any big tourney, and i don't think he'll call rafa if he wins tomorrow, though rafa has become inextricably tied to pete's legacy)...finally, though they are my heroes, i have to admit i felt let down by the early (my opinion) retirements...needless to say, tomorrow and the last 3-4 years at rolland garros have tested my emotions, and sanity?
Sampras never had years where he went 81-4. To me Roger is the greatest player I have ever seen since I started watching/playing. (1985)
knasty131
Professional
The thought that the greatest player ever based on style is absurd. If that were the deciding factor, then Marcello Rios would be in the running for the GOAT title and I doubt any pro would EVER agree with some worthless TW poster that the GOAT should be based upon the style of play.
BTW, I'm not calling you worthless but to them, let's face it...we are lol...at least whenever it comes to judging who the GOAT is...
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I'm praying with all my heart that Fed wins tomorrow. The guy has been working his ass off. I'm not saying Nadal hasn't, but I can see that Fed needs and wants it more. Truth is, Nadal will win more French opens later on. Fed just needs this one, and I want him to win so bad. I'm rooting for Fed. [insert "come on" in Swiss here] Roger!
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TheTruth
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Borg and Pete used to be my favorite players too, but with both of them acting the way they have been lately I have scratched them off my list. Sadly, I have lost respect for them both!
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