Indian Wells Draw
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CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
I think it depends on which Murray decides to show up. If he has fully healed, I would put him as a joint favorite with Nadal to win this title. Djokovic will be slightly behind them as a favorite.
There is no way Federer ever beats Murray again, time has passed by for Federer to do that. But if Murray is unfit with sickness then thats Federer's best chance to beat him.
There is no way Federer ever beats Murray again, time has passed by for Federer to do that. But if Murray is unfit with sickness then thats Federer's best chance to beat him.
thalivest
Banned
Nadal's draw is just fine. Nalbandian the indoor specialist cant beat an in form Nadal anywhere except an indoor court I am pretty sure, and even then it would be alot closer than 2007. I have said it before, Nalbandian is very good and definitely talented but way overrated on this forum.
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ESP#1
Professional
I respect your tennis knowledge to the fullest and I hate to be the one to break it to you but Roddick is not winning IW
ESP#1
Professional
Overrated as he may be the h2h scores speak for themselves. If you wouldve seen in what ease he beat Nadal both times maybe you'd agree
thalivest
Banned
The head to head means next to nothing to me regarding Nalbandian's chances if they were to play here for alot of reasons:
1. Both matches were on indoor surface, by far Nalbandian's best surface as it is the only one he has won significant titles or beaten Federer since 2003 on. Also by far Nadal's worst surface.
2. It was during the best month of tennis of Nalbandian's career.
3. The matches were before Nadal took his game on medium-fast surfaces and all hard court related surfaces to a much higher level.
4. Nalbandian has gone into further decline and further past his prime since 2007.
I am not worried about Nalbandian in the least here. I love Nadal's draw all around.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
^^^This wee exchange had me literally fighting to not spit out my soda. :lol:
Thank you andI respect yours. I really like Roddick both on and off the court and normally would automatically slot Fed and Nadal into the final slots but I have an inkling he just may have a chance. He has a pretty decent draw, Nadal is still recovering (although you couldn't tell during Davis) and Fed's confidence is still shaky. With all the effort Roddick has put into his fitness I think this is the right time for him to make a play. We'll have to wait and see.
thalivest
Banned
So the 4 semifinalists are going to somehow all come out of the same half of the draw, and the two semifinalists will both feature guys playing someone in their own quarter.
maverick66
Hall of Fame
im with you. its only fun to see fed nadal in finals of majors. its nice to see some of the other guys win. i would love to see davydenko get back into form and win a big tournament.
ESP#1
Professional
Relax bro i'm with you, i'd love to see my countryman go all the way, Nalby probably won't even make it that far, i'm just stating the facts: if Nalby is on we could see Nadal going home early, his game gives Nadal trouble, he hits the ball early and takes time away from Nadal,
Im as much a Nadal fan as anyone else, i'm just being objective
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
So the 4 semifinalists are going to somehow all come out of the same half of the draw, and the two semifinalists will both feature guys playing someone in their own quarter.
Thanks for the head's up. I meant Nadal vs. Roddick and Federer against Murray. Sorry, it's been a long day.
thalivest
Banned
You are entitled your opinion, I am just saying I completely disagree with you in this case. If you feel Nalbandian is a threat here then fine, I dont and I explained why i dont.
I consider myself an objective Nadal fan, and I think most posters here do as well. Nalbandian and Safin are just two players I find while very talented and noted underachivers I have always found are given this inflated mystique as if they are always capable of even more than they really are, especialy now that both are past their best before date (even moreso Safin).
If others are worried then fine. I absolutely love Nadal's draw to atleast the semis, that is all I will say.
rubberduckies
Professional
Potential 2nd round matches:
Kevin Anderson v Nadal
Gonzalez v Hewitt rematch
Monfils v Isner
Andreev v God
Querrey v Stepanek
I'm always intrigued by monster servers like Isner and Anderson going up against top players. Karlovic too, but he has sorta become a top player himself.
Kevin Anderson v Nadal
Gonzalez v Hewitt rematch
Monfils v Isner
Andreev v God
Querrey v Stepanek
I'm always intrigued by monster servers like Isner and Anderson going up against top players. Karlovic too, but he has sorta become a top player himself.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
I agree. I don't think nalbandian will be a huge problem for nadal.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Nalbandian is a horrible matchup for Nadal. Two things that really trouble Nadal are great two-handed backhands and taking the ball early. Nalbandian excels at both. Nadal will feel rushed for most the match. It's on hardcourt as well. Ouch. Monfils is also very tough. Then you got Murray in the Semis. Nadal couldn't have asked for a tougher draw.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
isn't murray in fed's half? Fed potentially has to deal with simon and murray, who both have a winning record over fed, as well as karlovic. The head to head indicates that fed should win over karlovic, but their last meeting karlovic won. He might also have to deal with verdasco, who was on fire during AO. I'm not saying nadal's draw is a piece of cake either, but neither is fed's. I don't think nadal will have that much of a problem with nalbandian. Someone else mentioned that the two times nalbandian beat nadal was indoor, and that is nadal's worst surface. I believe IW is a slow hardcourt and nadal has definitely improved from the last time he and nalbandian faced him, so I would favor nadal in that match.
That's if Nalbandian also shows up to beat Berdych or Youzhny.
Nadal and Federer have average draws. Djokovic got the toughest draw of all the top 4.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Neither Murray or Simon is in Fed's side. Do you know how to read draws? The left side is Nadal's side and the right side is Fed's.
random guy
Professional
MMmmm, I think that you got it wrong (to point this politely). The first page of the draw is nadal's half, the second page is Fed's. That's why they have the "top half finalist" "bottom half finalist" boxes.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
[1] Nadal vs BYE
Anderson vs Q
Q vs Garcia-Lopez
BYE vs [26] Tursunov
[21] Berdych vs BYE
Youzhny vs Troicki
Q vs Q
BYE vs [14] Nalbandian
[9] Monfils vs BYE
Isner vs C Rochus
Massu vs Schwank
BYE vs [24] Safin
[30] Melzer vs BYE
Dent vs Junqueira
Odesnik vs Sweeting
BYE vs [6] Del Potro
[3] Djokovic vs BYE
Vassallo Arguello vs Q
Hernandez vs Haas
BYE vs [29] Schuettler
[18] Stepanek vs BYE
Querrey vs Canas
Chela vs Seppi
BYE vs [16] Wawrinka
[12] Ferrer vs BYE
Q vs Navarro
Hanescu vs Chardy
BYE vs [20] Fish
[31] Kiefer vs BYE
Reynolds vs Fognini
Q vs Zverev
BYE vs [7] Roddick
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[8] Simon vs BYE
Lu vs Q
Ljubicic vs Nishikori
BYE vs [28] Ancic
[22] Andreev vs BYE
Q vs Gulbis
Gabashvili vs Acasuso
BYE vs [11] Tsonga
[15] Robredo vs BYE
Spadea vs Kunitsyn
Darcis vs Granollers
BYE vs [19] Cilic
[32] Mathieu vs BYE
Starace vs Gremelmayr
Montanes vs Serra
BYE vs [4] Murray
[5] Davydenko vs BYE
Benneteau vs Kohlschreiber
Lapentti vs Q
BYE vs [25] Soderling
[23] Gasquet vs BYE
Lopez vs Llodra
Q vs Tipsarevic
BYE vs [10] Verdasco
[13] Blake vs BYE
Devilder vs Nieminen
Hewitt vs Hernych
BYE vs [17] Gonzalez
[27] Karlovic vs BYE
Stakhovsky vs Q
Gicquel vs Bolelli
BYE vs [2] Federer
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it looks like murray and simon are in fed's half and based on the posts where people are saying fed has to deal with murray in the semifinal, it looks like murray and simon are in fed's half. I mean, I could be wrong, but based on what everyone else is saying and looking at the draw, I think I'm right.
tahiti
Professional
Nadal_Freak, I'm not sure where you read the draw in length or broad pdf form but the other posters are correct. Take a look again.
I'm going for Roddick and Nadal in SFs with Tsonga and Fed in the other. I think QFs will include Del potro, Verdasco, Murray and Djoko. But that sounds too perfect with all the seeds up there...Hmmmmmm Rafa has a good draw though. It seems being no. 1 often gets a better draw. He always seemed to have Djokovic or Murray in his side of the draw.
I'm going for Roddick and Nadal in SFs with Tsonga and Fed in the other. I think QFs will include Del potro, Verdasco, Murray and Djoko. But that sounds too perfect with all the seeds up there...Hmmmmmm Rafa has a good draw though. It seems being no. 1 often gets a better draw. He always seemed to have Djokovic or Murray in his side of the draw.
Nadal_Freak
Banned
Nevermind. They made the draw real confusing. They put the top half on the top page rather then keeping them aligned for the final. I guess Djokovic is an easier matchup for Nadal.
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gj011
Banned
What do you mean? #1 will always have either #3 or #4 in his side of the draw.
Nadal_freak you read the draw wrong. Djokovic is in Nadal's half, but I agree that yet again Federer got the easiest draw.
Novak's draw is not bad. Stepanek is in form and I expect he would be the biggest challenge until Nadal. Djokovic will dispose Roddick easily if temperature is less than 40 C, although Ferrer might stop Roddick before that.
ESP#1
Professional
tahiti
Professional
I've been watching Nadal's draw for a while. When he was no 2 for a long while he so often had Djoko and Murray in his half. Murray was not always no. 4.
tahiti
Professional
Try this one Nadal_Freak. The bracket challenge one has it all listed on one side on the left. You can also enter your predictions for free and take a chance at winning a free VIP trip to a tournament. Fun to play.
http://challenge.atpworldtour.com/
edmondsm
Legend
Roddick looks like he's got a pretty kind draw. Djokovic has been pretty tame this season (outside of Dubai, which he kind of won by default). I give Roddick a good chance of reaching the semis.
edmondsm
Legend
This is how they've always done the draws for IW and Miami.
P_Agony
Banned
I'm glad. Federer deserves an MS title after not winning one since 2007. I agree Nadal has a tough draw, no doubt. But Fed has some tough guys in there too. Nalbandian is past his prime, I actually think Nadal will have no trouble with him unless Nalbandian is on fire (he rarely is these days).
Fed still has to worry about Murray though, and possibly a red hot Verdasco.
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P_Agony
Banned
Sure, even if Nadal got Sera in the semi-final and Fed will have to deal with Verdasco, Simon and Murray one after another, you'd still say Nadal has the tougher draw. It's called being a fanyboy.
gj011
Banned
LOL I am now Nadal fanboy. :roll:
Just look again at the draw. Federer's quarter is the easiest one.
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gj011
Banned
Nobody "deserves" any title. You have to win it on the court.
P_Agony
Banned
Sure, Verdasco, who was very close to beat your man Nadal back in the AO, is an easy draw. Add to that Murray/Simon in the semi-final, and a possible Karlovic match (Who beat Fed the last time they played). Nobody would call that an easy draw, nobody but a Nadal fanboy. I admit Nadal has a tough draw of his own, but calling Federer's draw easy is a joke.
gj011
Banned
You are being funny calling Nadal "my man"
Karlovic is out of form, just got beaten by 400+ player in Dubai, Davydenko is by far weakest 5-8 seed ATM since he is just coming back from injury, and he is a *******. Blake is a ******* too, the OI win was a fluke. Gasquet and Gonzales can be tough but not tougher than players in other quarters. Verdasco is biggest threat but he was also recently injured.
Anyway, I am saying again, Federer's quarter is easiest and that is a fair unbiased statement.
I also didn't complain about Djokovic's draw and said that it is not too bad.
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random guy
Professional
Well, Federer's quarter is the easiest one, but for a very tiny, slight margin (Karlovic in second round, Gonzalez are not a walk in the park either, Blake is the only one which sadly, is like a walkover for Fed) After that is pretty much the same for everyone, so I have to say that is a pretty balanced draw. And you have to add that there's no such thing as an easy draw for current form Federer.
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random guy
Professional
You are being funny calling Nadal "my man"
Karlovic is out of form, just got beaten by 400+ player in Dubai, Davidenko is by far weakest 5-8 seed ATM since he is just coming back from injury. Verdasco is biggest threat but he was also recently injured, Blake is a *******, the OI win was a fluke. Gasquet and Gonzales can be tough but not tougher than players in other quarters.
Anyway, I am saying again, Federer's quarter is easiest and that is a fair unbiased statement.
I also didn't complain about Djokovic's draw and said that it is not too bad.
Stop being such a Nadal fanboy gj! lol
Nalbandian also has an excessive amount of weight on him. He's not going to beat Nadal.
Even John McEnroe has a better chance of beating Federer than Blake does.
That didn't stop his Captain bro Pat from clinging on to Blake.
Lmao at desperate Fed fans who call another Fed sympathizer a Nadal man.
The quicker Federer loses, the more fun tennis will be. What a disaster...after the 5 years of easy draws for Arrogant Control Freak, even before the year 2004!
That didn't stop his Captain bro Pat from clinging on to Blake.
Lmao at desperate Fed fans who call another Fed sympathizer a Nadal man.
The quicker Federer loses, the more fun tennis will be. What a disaster...after the 5 years of easy draws for Arrogant Control Freak, even before the year 2004!
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seffina
G.O.A.T.
Murray has the toughest draw. Then Djokovic. Nadal and Federer are even. Federer's is tougher depending on how Verdasco is doing. He might have enough to stop Roger from reaching the semis. I don't think Nalby or Del Potro have enough to stop 2009 Nadal from reaching the semis.
Both Novak and Murray have plenty of people that could possibly stop them. Murray is very good in best of three, so he'll do well, but they have some of the current hottest players in their draws including Stepanek, Cilic, Tsonga (especially Tsonga) and Roddick.
Either way it adds up to one excellent tournament.
Both Novak and Murray have plenty of people that could possibly stop them. Murray is very good in best of three, so he'll do well, but they have some of the current hottest players in their draws including Stepanek, Cilic, Tsonga (especially Tsonga) and Roddick.
Either way it adds up to one excellent tournament.
P_Agony
Banned
Apparently you don't like tennis...
P_Agony
Banned
You are being funny calling Nadal "my man"
Karlovic is out of form, just got beaten by 400+ player in Dubai, Davydenko is by far weakest 5-8 seed ATM since he is just coming back from injury, and he is a *******. Blake is a ******* too, the OI win was a fluke. Gasquet and Gonzales can be tough but not tougher than players in other quarters. Verdasco is biggest threat but he was also recently injured.
Anyway, I am saying again, Federer's quarter is easiest and that is a fair unbiased statement.
I also didn't complain about Djokovic's draw and said that it is not too bad.
Karlovic was never in-form. He is just a great server and has a good touch at the net. He gives everybody trouble. Nadal couldn't break hs serve and was lucky to get away with two tiebreaks back at Queens. Federer lost to him the last time they met. I see Karlovic as dangerous to Federer as Monfils is to Nadal. If Verdasco shows even half the form he's shown in Australia, Federer will have a lot of trouble. Davydenko and Blake, while *******s, are very tough matches and if you recall Blake beat Federer the last time they met (maybe it was a fluke, but he still got the W). Gasquet and Gonzales are about equal to Nalbandian and Safin, perhaps even more dangerous than the latter. Djokovic has the easiest draw of the bunch, and I say Nadal and Federer are equal up until the semis, and then Federer has the tougher draw (IMO Murray > Djokovic).
Clydey2times
Hall of Fame
He's also very good in best of 5. He has only played in two majors since he went on a tear and he reached the final of one of those.
The only player in Murray's quarter who can realistically beat him is Tsonga (that's assuming Murray isn't still sick).
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