Warriorroger
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Nice article, it will never happen, but one can dream
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12111_5581472,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12111_5581472,00.html
She is old. Why anyone even vomits this fantasy is beyond reason. Appreciate her accomplishments, but her active years are long gone; she cannot be a factor again.
She is old. Why anyone even vomits this fantasy is beyond reason. Appreciate her accomplishments, but her active years are long gone; she cannot be a factor again.
Considering the state of women's tennis today, I wouldn't put it past Graf to come back and win a slam.
Considering the state of women's tennis today, I wouldn't put it past Graf to come back and win a slam.
She's old, and suffered back problems. Many of the top women are stronger than she was in her prime, and you must know that she will not have the speed of her active years. Combine the aforementioned items, and she would have no chance of winning a slam
Didn't people say Clijsters had no chance of a good comeback when she announced hers? Really?
Steffi Graf could probably win a slam based on sheer determination. Most of the WTA are a bunch of headcases anyways, so I wouldn't count her out really. Old champions always have a trick up their sleeve.
Clijsters still is in active years; the window is closing, but she certainly not 40--long past the average retirement age.
Just to entertain this notion a bit, imagine Graf facing the most likely finalists at the most physcially forgiving surface slam--Wimbledon. The Williams sisters--even as they grow old--would make short work of her. Remember, this would be a real match, where people play on a different level to win (unlike exhibitions, etc.).
Nice article, it will never happen, but one can dream
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12111_5581472,00.html
Who says the Williams Sisters would crush her? You? I highly doubt that they would crush her. It would be a competitive match IMO. Graf is a far superior tennis player overall than those two. What they have over Graf is athleticism and youth. However, Graf is a better ball striker, a better tactician, and most importantly, is as mentally strong if not stronger than both the sisters.
Your logic says that Agassi should have been blown out against Federer from 2004-2005 in his elderly years, yet Agassi gave Federer a tough time in both matches at the USO.
She's old, and suffered back problems. Many of the top women are stronger than she was in her prime, and you must know that she will not have the speed of her active years. Combine the aforementioned items, and she would have no chance of winning a slam
Tell that to Agassi and Connors. To be honest when Graf played the prime was better.
She is old. Why anyone even vomits this fantasy is beyond reason. Appreciate her accomplishments, but her active years are long gone; she cannot be a factor again.
Many of the top women are stronger than she was in her prime
Who says the Williams Sisters would crush her? You? I highly doubt that they would crush her. It would be a competitive match IMO. Graf is a far superior tennis player overall than those two. What they have over Graf is athleticism and youth. However, Graf is a better ball striker, a better tactician, and most importantly, is as mentally strong if not stronger than both the sisters.
Your logic says that Agassi should have been blown out against Federer from 2004-2005 in his elderly years, yet Agassi gave Federer a tough time in both matches at the USO.
That's quite the leap there. Agassi hadn't been retired for 10 years. And 33-34 is much different from 40.
Agassi isnt a male Graf. He was never a dominant champion to anywhere near the extent of Graf. Besides the current freak show of a WTA tour easily makes up another 6-7 years on its own.
In terms of ballstriking ability, I would argue that Agassi was above Graf. Agassi's problem was that there were many years in which he couldn't get out of his own way, that's why his game held up so well in his later years.
Graf's game was much more about pure athleticism, and that's what deteriorates the fastest as you get older.
Considering the state of women's tennis today, I wouldn't put it past Graf to come back and win a slam.
Navratilova nearly won Wimbledon at 37 and the womens game today is much weaker than it was back then. So I also could see Graf winning a slam or two if she returned fully commited, though she wouldnt ever dominate again of course (only due to her age, in her prime she would go on a 300 match winning streak vs the current field atleast before the Belgian girls had returned).
In terms of ballstriking ability, I would argue that Agassi was above Graf. Agassi's problem was that there were many years in which he couldn't get out of his own way, that's why his game held up so well in his later years.
Graf's game was much more about pure athleticism, and that's what deteriorates the fastest as you get older.
thats kind of like saying sampras would go deep in a slam too
although i guess there is the difference in the sense that the WTA sucks right now whereas the ATP has a strong field
Navratilova nearly won Wimbledon at 37 and the womens game today is much weaker than it was back then. So I also could see Graf winning a slam or two if she returned fully commited, though she wouldnt ever dominate again of course (only due to her age, in her prime she would go on a 300 match winning streak vs the current field atleast before the Belgian girls had returned).
That's quite the leap there. Agassi hadn't been retired for 10 years. And 33-34 is much different from 40.
^^ don't forget to mention that Kimiko Date, who is basically Graf's age, just won a tournament in her second tourney since her comeback.
And that's Kimiko Date, a nobody compared to Graf.
The rest of what you are saying makes some sense but this partcular comment is laughable. Who pray tell are the "many top women" of the current laughing stock WTA tour that are stronger than Graf was in her prime.
Bigger, stronger women. Nevermind the usual reference to a Williams sister--take the rest: many may be hacks, but Safina, Vaidisova, Kuznetsova, et al are not physically weak, and recieve training superior to that of Graf's time. Let's not confuse perceptions of talent with physical power.
LOL Safina, Vaidisova (who has done nothing), and mental case Kuznetsova beating Graf?
Safina got blown out by an out of prime Venus Williams who didn't even look like she was trying
Bigger, stronger women. Nevermind the usual reference to a Williams sister--take the rest: many may be hacks, but Safina, Vaidisova, Kuznetsova, et al are not physically weak, and recieve training superior to that of Graf's time. Let's not confuse perceptions of talent with physical power.
Graf was an incredibly strong, athletic, and physically fit women.
Moreso than those you mentioned by far. Vaidisova isnt even on the main tour anymore BTW so she is irrelevant personified[/qoute]
She a valid reference because her physicality, training and strength are state of the art. This is not about her abilities, as i've already pointed out.
Date: unless you are going to tell me that Date has incurred the same amount of wear and tear as someone who was consistently going deep and/or winning events--particularly the slams--over the course of a career (like Graf), then she's not exactly a great example, as she has not suffered as much as SG, thus her comeback (for as long or short as it will be) cannot be used to bolster Graf's chances.
"was." Remember that. "was." That is not the here and now, nor is it an aid to her present, aged body and reflexes.
She [Vaidisova is] a valid reference because her physicality, training and strength are state of the art. This is not about her abilities, as i've already pointed out.
Date: unless you are going to tell me that Date has incurred the same amount of wear and tear as someone who was consistently going deep and/or winning events--particularly the slams--over the course of a career (like Graf), then she's not exactly a great example, as she has not suffered as much as SG, thus her comeback (for as long or short as it will be) cannot be used to bolster Graf's chances.
It is just crazy to even be discussing this.
Agreed, but it is rather odd that some actually fantasize about Graf returning and winning slams, when all conceivable data suggests the opposite. Pro-level abilities of the past remain in the past.