What are the odds of turning pro after college? If you don't recieve an offer right away to turn pro, can you play futures and satellites after College? Also, what are the odds of someone turning pro from DIII school?
I'd think, less than one out of 10,000 top college players MAKE money playing tennis after graduation.
Does Isner actually make money, or is his expenses paid for? Some people claim it takes more than $80,000 a year to cover travel, hotel, trainer, coach, and incidental fees.
I bolded the part that I'm confused about. Do players get "offered" or "invited" to become a pro? Does this mean that the ATP will cover their travel expenses, equipment, etc? I'm confused as to how it works...
Anyone know?
What I remember (20 years ago) was basically everyone ranked below 200 in ATP would not break-even on costs.
At that time you basically had to make top 200 to have a chance to make money.
I don't know what it is today.
Clearly very few will do well making money by competing in professional tennis tournaments. If you can - more power to you.
Good Luck! K_I
This looks to be a couple of years old, but estimated expenses to attempt to play pro appear to be nearly $50,000 a year (see Estimated Tennis-Related Expenses) just over half way through the document below. The rest of the materials tell you how difficult it is to finance professional tennis:
http://www.willboe.com/WillBoe_2007_SponsorshipPacket.pdf
BTW, I saw this guy play in college once in 2006. He would loudly yell out, "BREAK HIM," as his opponent was getting ready to serve on a break point. Can't imagine him getting away with that in any kind of pro match. I'd think he'd get whacked over the head with a racquet after the match.
He is still out there playing so perhaps the citizens of Fairfield County came up with the cash. Not sure who would invest in this guy though - not pro material at all. That sounds mean but let's be real.
This looks to be a couple of years old, but estimated expenses to attempt to play pro appear to be nearly $50,000 a year (see Estimated Tennis-Related Expenses) just over half way through the document below. The rest of the materials tell you how difficult it is to finance professional tennis:
http://www.willboe.com/WillBoe_2007_SponsorshipPacket.pdf
BTW, I saw this guy play in college once in 2006. He would loudly yell out, "BREAK HIM," as his opponent was getting ready to serve on a break point. Can't imagine him getting away with that in any kind of pro match. I'd think he'd get whacked over the head with a racquet after the match.
Wow, what a great example of how hard it is to make it in pro tennis. The cost breakdown in the link above shows just how expensive it is. He estimates $50k / year and it looks like that is the low end of the range. BTW, he never won a round in the main draw of a futures tournament. He only won 2 total matches in qualifying. He was #1 in DIII.
ATP prize money for 2009 – total combined prize money worldwide doubles and singles
#100 Rajeev Ram $301k
#200 Vincent Spadea $209k Played 29 tournaments 12 – 29 record Weirdly made most of his money losing first round in the bigger tournaments … ranking went down all year
#300 Joachim Johansson $96k
#400 Yuichi Sugita $52k Played 26 tournaments 39 - 24 record. Won two futures for $1,300 each Traveled all over the world kicked major butt, and broke even
#500 Walter Trusendi $32k Played 23 tournaments 39 – 22 Won one future for $1950, lots of simis for $500 each
Basketball salaries 2009 US Only
#100 Marko Jaric $7,100,000
#200 Randy Foye $3,575,761
#300 Hamed Haddadi $1,620,000
#400 Stephen Graham $825,497
Baseball salaries 2008 US only
#100 Brett Myers $8,583,333
#200 Alex Gonzalez $4,700,000
#300 Doug Brocalil $2,500,000
#400 Andrew Brackman $1,184,788
Why do we continue to wonder about the state of US professional tennis? The best athletes are going to go to the top paying sports, that’s just how life works
Another factor - tennis (and golf) tend to have high sponsorship/endorsement potential. This won't make the slightest difference outside the top 50, so it would only be of interest in the top 10, but it'd be interesting to know how total compensation looks when you compare the sports.
ATP prize money for 2009 – total combined prize money worldwide doubles and singles
#100 Rajeev Ram $301k
#200 Vincent Spadea $209k Played 29 tournaments 12 – 29 record Weirdly made most of his money losing first round in the bigger tournaments … ranking went down all year
#300 Joachim Johansson $96k
#400 Yuichi Sugita $52k Played 26 tournaments 39 - 24 record. Won two futures for $1,300 each Traveled all over the world kicked major butt, and broke even
#500 Walter Trusendi $32k Played 23 tournaments 39 – 22 Won one future for $1950, lots of simis for $500 each
re: "So would it be accurate to say that, if you don't have the money, you might as well forget about becoming a pro? "
... Absolutely not. There are many reasons to pursue pro tennis. Just don't expect a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ;-)
If you're only in it for the money - I'd do something else. There are many other opportunities with a higher reward/risk ratio.
Good Luck! K_I
re: "So would it be accurate to say that, if you don't have the money, you might as well forget about becoming a pro? "
... Absolutely not. There are many reasons to pursue pro tennis. Just don't expect a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ;-)
If you're only in it for the money - I'd do something else. There are many other opportunities with a higher reward/risk ratio.
Good Luck! K_I
Quite true, but I think s/he was asking about money as a prerequisite rather than as a motivation, and the answer certainly seems to be that, yes, you need money or access to it to make the transaction from amateur to professional.re: "So would it be accurate to say that, if you don't have the money, you might as well forget about becoming a pro? "
... Absolutely not. There are many reasons to pursue pro tennis. Just don't expect a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow ;-)
If you're only in it for the money - I'd do something else. There are many other opportunities with a higher reward/risk ratio.
If you don't have lots of money - I'd go by talent and results in terms of getting a tennis scholarship to a strong tennis college and having decent results there. After that by winning local prize money tournaments to subsidize more grandiose travel and tournament ambitions.
It is possible but it isn't extremely likely. But then again, cracking the top 200 is even less likely - but you have to have a certain degree of success to get to that point.
People do it. Look @ where Monica Seles or Maria Sharapova came from. As I understand it, they weren't rolling in the dough but they found a way to do it.
If it's meant to be, it's meant to be.
Good Luck! K_I
Quite true, but I think s/he was asking about money as a prerequisite rather than as a motivation, and the answer certainly seems to be that, yes, you need money or access to it to make the transaction from amateur to professional.
A guy from my small hometown was sponsored by a group of local businessmen to try and make it on the PGA tour. He did, and he has had a long and rewarding career, but I believe this is an example of a long shot coming in, and of an investment driven more by community spirit than by low risk-reward ratio. This thread's warnings about the long odds and high costs should be heeded.
I'd go for as competitive of a college as you can - unless you're already ~top 50 in the world in ITF in Juniors (and presumably have some ATP/WTA equivalent from futures).
You want to see how far you can go and where you stand against the best. Be ready for it. Here's the trick - you need to be able to live with the results of it.
At least that's what I did for college and I'd say it worked for me. I consciously passed up smaller schools that offered me full or partial scholarships for a school in a tough D1 conference where I had to walk on and did walk on after beating many others.
I found out real quick where I sat in the world order, and turned out (20+ years ago) that the #400 player in the world was dramatically better than me, and that I realistically thought I would not get to that level in any realistic amount of time. I won a few qualifier matches but continually got it handed to me by the ~400 in the world ranked players.
That was a tough pill to swallow at age 20 - but I pursued my dream, and now I look back at it with no regrets. I met lots of great people and friends, got to travel to many places I wouldn't have gone to and learned lots of life lessons along the way.
Fortunately I realized at the time I should pour more of my energy into those classes I blew off to go to tennis practice - yet got B-'s in without going to class and got a decent job that's paid the rent quite well ever since.
Would I make a dime playing professional tennis for a living - no. I'm not much the sleep in a tent and drive everywhere kind of guy - but I could have done that for a while. Now I'm glad I didn't though cause it got me on a great career path at a good time.
Here's the Forbes list of the top 20 athletes in earnings in total comp (including endorsements):
1. Tiger Woods, $110 million
2. Kobe Bryant, $45 million
2. Michael Jordan, $45 million
2. Kimi Raikkonen, $45 million
5. David Beckham, $42 million
6. LeBron James, $40 million
6. Phil Mickelson, $40 million
6. Manny Pacquiao, $40 million
9. Valentino Rossi, $35 million
10. Dale Earnhardt Jr., $34 million
11. Roger Federer, $33 million
11. Shaquille O'Neal, $33 million
13. Oscar de la Hoya, $32 million
13. Alex Rodriguez, $32 million
16. Vijay Singh, $31 million
17. Kevin Garnett, $30 million
13. Lewis Hamilton, $32 million
17. Jeff Gordon, $30 million
17. Derek Jeter, $30 million
17. Ronaldinho, $30 million
Sharapova is the top earning female athlete in the world with $26M, followed by Serena at $14M, then Venus.
I just hate how pro tennis is. I won't say it's unfair, because it isn't: if you have the means to do it and the skills no one will stop you and you have a chance. But it's so hard, and unless you make it to the top 10, it's not even worth it, unlike other sports.
Yeah. Looks like the problem with going to a college to keep playing good level tennis is the fact that you're in a college - you can't dedicate yourself only to tennis:???:
That's absolutely wrong. The players conservatively estimate that they start making GOOD money when they get inside the TOP 100. HOWEVER, that only takes into account one form of the game -singles. A player ranked in the top 200 singles and top 75 doubles can make a reasonable living.
All of that fails to take into account that after playing professionally, even if you haven't made a fortune, you have skills and a resume which can give you a non-playing career. Guys in other sports might be more successful players but, when they retire, they'll struggle to find jobs working in that sport. There's only so many jobs coaching or managing football teams but there's always an opportunity to set yourself up as a tennis coach.
Not in my case; I'm glad I was in college even though it consumed lots of my time. I'm glad I had something decent to fall back on as a backup plan.
Realistically I could tell at best after a ton of improvement I'd max out at the no higher than 500 range but that seemed like a stretch.
Everyone is different but I'll tell you it is _LOTS_ harder than you think it is.
Now if you are better than I was - more power to you.
Good Luck! K_I
Lets put this one to rest. How have the last three NCAA champions done on the pro tour, where are they? You have to be so good to make it out there. The turn over in year is no more than 4-6 players, that is what you are shooting against. I remember in my days, Francisco Gonzales from Ohio State was fantastic, I used to get three, maybe four games against him. He went on the tour for a few years, got no where! Also, you need to get through that window before you are 22, that pretty much takes out any 4 yr college player. That is why is you really want it, head to the fantastic junior colleges in Texas or California. One year we played Tyler as a warm up, they took out or 2-6 singles players. It's a tough world out there.
The age factor. Some of those schools are intense, and you can have your game at the top, and head out at 19 or 20. It's not a point that there is a vast array of JC players out their either. My entire point is that unless you are superman it isn't going to happen. But I think you can ramp it up faster in sunny JC locations, gain top competition, and be better off (younger) if this is your dream. You aren't going to get the same playing indoors in the Big 10. I'm just attempting to bring some reality to this.What success on the ATP tour can you point to for former junior college players? I am not sure how your recommendation to go to junior college follows from any of the points you made.
Try Brad GilbertWhat success on the ATP tour can you point to for former junior college players? I am not sure how your recommendation to go to junior college follows from any of the points you made.
Try Brad Gilbert