frank19991999
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I realize the back leg is the first one to leave the ground, does it mean is the one who does most of the pushing coming off the trophy position ?
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Really? I never knew that. I always had my weight on my back leg. And then I jump upwards with my back leg because when I bend backwards thats just where the weight naturally goes. But you said that those shots are weak. Then why do I have a very strong and fast serve?
The back leg is a strong contributor to the initial movement of the body forward & upward. However, I'd say the the front leg is probably the larger contributor to leg push upward.
back foot for me too. maybe corners can post a vid showing this.
NO NO. Upwards chain reaction starts with back Leg. If you start with front leg, you will fall flat on your face.
Reread. That is what I said.
Oh ok, my bad.
I do start with my weight on my back foot but as I get ready to jump my weight shifts into my front foot.
then how do you push off with your right foot with all the weight on the left foot ??????
a small insignificant detail...
He may mean that more of his weight shifts to his front foot, but I think most use both legs in some combination.then how do you push off with your right foot with all the weight on the left foot ??????
Really? I never knew that. I always had my weight on my back leg. And then I jump upwards with my back leg because when I bend backwards thats just where the weight naturally goes. But you said that those shots are weak. Then why do I have a very strong and fast serve?
here's an instruction link that indicates both legs push off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFwnqZAf7I&feature=related
it saids nothing about which leg is predominantly pushing off leg. right or left. i never heard of Equally
here's an instruction link that indicates both legs push off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfFwnqZAf7I&feature=related
pushing off equally means both if not mistaken.
There is no argument that both legs push off. However, this does not imply that they push off equally. The back foot comes off the ground while the front leg/foot is still pushing. Seems doubtful that the contributions to the upward motion is equal. However, I don't believe that it is really all that important anyway.
what % do each perform?
btw - the FYB link person (WH) states weight equal on each foot at around the 10+ sec mark.
what % do each perform?
btw - the FYB link person (WH) states weight equal on each foot at around the 10+ sec mark.
Don't know the % (as I siad previously, probably not really that important).
Yes, the weight may very well be evenly distributed at the trophy phase (or just prior to this). However, the leg drive does not really happen until after this -- as the racket head drops (to the scratch position), the legs start to drive upward.
One of the articles on 'tennisplayer' describes 'driving' off the legs, as opposed to jumping. It emphasises this difference as being very important.
Someone else may be able to describe that better. The direction of your where your body is balanced (and hence weight distribution on each leg) at the time you initiate the upwards motion from the trophy, combined with the force (and duration of force) applied to each leg, will together dictate the launch direction.
What I am inelegantly saying is that you will need differently apportioned leg drive to launch into the position that is dictated by your toss.
The key in serve placement is how you "throw your upper body" in the direction you want to go.
Watch the following video by Ian Westermann of essentialtennis.com: http://www.essentialtennis.com/video/2010/04/pronating-on-wide-and-middle-serves/
The main point he makes by using 2 cameras from the back and side is that for his toss and trophy position there is very little difference in body or ball toss for a wide, body, or down the T serve.
The difference comes from the way he swings his upper body forward out of the trophy position.
Since his arm is attatched to his upper body, this means he doesn't have to change the arm is swinging, only the direction the upper body is moving.
(It is likely you already know this, but in your trophy position you assume the shape of a bow with your front hip out and your upper body and hitting shoulder are directed back, and your hitting shoulder is much lower than your front shoulder. As you swing forward, your upper body "cartwheels" forward with your hitting shoulder ending up much higher than your front shoulder. The direction you "cartwheel" is the direction your serve will go.)
If you are a disciple of the "serve up the mountain" concept http://www.youtube.com/user/servedoc#p/u/5/WlPVdppfYGs just move your mountain a little to the left if you are a right hander trying to serve out wide on the deuce court, and move your mountain a little to the left to serve down the T. Then just serve up your particular mountain for great placement of a powerful serve.
I am having trouble get the leg push into the court with this stance also, what can I do to get more foreword momentum and leg push? now I tend to sway back then jump into the court but it doesn't feel right, is there anyway to get it with the correct mechanics?
I am having trouble get the leg push into the court with this stance also, what can I do to get more foreword momentum and leg push? now I tend to sway back then jump into the court but it doesn't feel right, is there anyway to get it with the correct mechanics?
Your goal should be to push off equally hard with both legs to avoid an overuse leg injury.
The key in the equal leg pushoff is balance of your body weight over both feet in the trophy position.
As the ball reaches the apex of the toss, you should be staring up at it with a deep knee bend, full body coil, and to counterbalance the bow shape of your body the front hip has to be out forward.
But despite all of this coiling/bow/knee bend you must be balanced with your body weight over both legs.
Now try to push off equally hard from both legs.
Well, because of your body position with a deeper knee bend of the rear leg (because you are shaped like a bow), your rear leg is going to end up pushing off a little harder at first until both knees are unbent to an equal extent, and then your front leg is going to be pushing off longer (at least on a flat serve) because your cartwheel action is going to be bringing your body forward into the court, and your center of gravity is going to pass over the baseline as you tilt forward, so your front leg will be the last one pushing off as your back leg has already lifted off the ground.
This is WAY TOO MUCH TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN SERVING.
So just be balanced in your trophy pose and have the goal of pushing off equally hard with both legs and you will "will" your body to do it right.
Don't know the % (as I siad previously, probably not really that important).
Yes, the weight may very well be evenly distributed at the trophy phase (or just prior to this). However, the leg drive does not really happen until after this -- as the racket head drops (to the scratch position), the legs start to drive upward.
it might be important if it affects launch direction.
No, not important to know the % to be able to perform the the action. Just like it is not necessary to know the exact numerical court dimensions to be able to properly hit your shots deep into NML.
yet you claim otherwise in previous posts...backtracking eh?
no point continuing since % don't matter IYO.